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Shipment wise we have no idea, and if PS3 did take the lead Sony would have shouted from the rooftops about it and made a statement.
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Tier 2 Xbox One launch: retail stories
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Please tell me you're not using that site.
Shipment wise we have no idea, and if PS3 did take the lead Sony would have shouted from the rooftops about it and made a statement.
Nightengale
Member
Will they really?
I mean, firstly, they themselves won't have concrete numbers on the 360. It'd be a first class PR embarrassment if they claim something which their competitors refute the next day because market research data is not 100% accurate.
Secondly, they can't claim to be the leader anyway because Wii still outsold both of them. Putting out a "we're second place " PR is weak.
Duxxy3
Member
Controller, no, not at all. There are two genre's that I simply don't like with the dualshock 4 (racers and shooters). Was the sole reason I switched.
Cyborg
Member
Joke? Right?
Pfffuhh...Speak to Cort Stratton (@postgoodism) from Ice team and ask them why they will not enhance their devtools for PS4...😉
Microsoft and Sony annouced 80M shipped last fall less than 3 weeks apart
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=699151
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=710230
Add a holiday season and 8 months in 2014, it's very unlikely that Microsoft is still leading as PS3 is constantly selling better worldwide this last years.
Source?
That, and plenty of Dutch stores have been selling imported Xbox Ones anyway. Media Markt had stacks of the things for months. This is a non-launch.
Just look at the quarter results. You can read this topic for 2013 numbers by exemple:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=764378
PuppetSlave
Member
Oh wow, it's coming out tomorrow here, I had no clue. Just checked one of our more popular gaming retailers here in Stockholm and I can't even find a banner. It just shows up at spot 8 in the top 10 preorder table. The destiny ps4 bundle is at 5:th place between.
Xbox one has been available as an imported console in the same store for ages though. Number one and two in the preorder table is the PS4 and xbox one versions of destiny respectively.
Xbox one has been available as an imported console in the same store for ages though. Number one and two in the preorder table is the PS4 and xbox one versions of destiny respectively.
hydrophilic attack
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I went to the largest gaming retail store in Sweden (Webhallen) Yesterday. I didn't really make the connection that XBO is launching soon, so I didn't really look for any XBO stuff, but looking back, I don't remember seeing any promotional material for it. I saw some stuff for Destiny and they still have stuff for Dark Souls II up, however.
Curious, I went to their website to see if they were giving it space there, but didn't really see anything there either. For the PS4 they made a big deal about midnight launch on the website, but there appears to be nothing for XBO. I checked their pre-order top-list as well and it has the XBO at number eight, with the PS4 Destiny bundle at number five. Ordinary PS4 is at number one on the sales list (not the same as pre-order list). Still, you have to consider the fact that this store sold imported units since the 2013 launch, which may explain lack of fanfare for official launch.
Launching early last gen gave MS a great advantage. It took several years before PS3 games started outselling 360 games consistently. In this particular store they reserved a lot more demo kiosks for 360 than PS3 for the vast majority of last gen.
This time around, the hype doesn't seem to be earth shattering.
edit: Heh, most of the stuff I said was already said by the previous poster
Curious, I went to their website to see if they were giving it space there, but didn't really see anything there either. For the PS4 they made a big deal about midnight launch on the website, but there appears to be nothing for XBO. I checked their pre-order top-list as well and it has the XBO at number eight, with the PS4 Destiny bundle at number five. Ordinary PS4 is at number one on the sales list (not the same as pre-order list). Still, you have to consider the fact that this store sold imported units since the 2013 launch, which may explain lack of fanfare for official launch.
Launching early last gen gave MS a great advantage. It took several years before PS3 games started outselling 360 games consistently. In this particular store they reserved a lot more demo kiosks for 360 than PS3 for the vast majority of last gen.
This time around, the hype doesn't seem to be earth shattering.
edit: Heh, most of the stuff I said was already said by the previous poster
BuggeryBugz
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Releasing in more countries is certainly not going to hinder MS and the xbox one. They will not beat the PS4 in sales in these countries but they can close the gap slightly by actually releasing their product in that country.
Cthulhu_Steev
Member
If PS4 still sells more per month than xbone in those tier 2 countries, that gap isn't closing.
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This works on multiple levels.
kudoboi said:
The power of fucking up your first impression and then continuing to fuck up that impression by going full-on stupid to try to defend it.
MS should've seen the smoke from the fire that Orth made for them, but they didn't. It's basically a live-action verison of that Doom Paul "IF ONLY YOU LISTENED" .gif
PeregrinSe7en
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Yeah, that "japanese Microsoft guy" - Yasuyuki Higuchi, president and chief executive of Microsoft Japan - you know, just a regular clerk.. He's probably not even a full time employee anyway..
Well, the biggest electronics shops in Poland are actually giving a lot of attention to Xbox One.
Media Markt, Saturn and Euro RTV have a lot of banners and commercials on their websites. There are nice, reasonably priced bundles available - Kinectless Xbox One + Forza 5 + Fifa 15 for PLN 1699 (the same price as a white PS4 + Destiny bundle) and Xbox One + Kinect + Just Dance + Fifa 15 for PLN 1999. Those are official prices - you can get a brand new PS4 for as low as PLN 1450 and an imported, sealed Xbox One with Kinect for PLN 1550.
What's interesting is the fact that I know a guy who got his XO bundle... yesterday. He ordered it online and just like that it arrived 3 days ahead of time.
And now some anecdotal data: On the "Polish Ebay" - "allegro.pl" you can find a lot auctions for both consoles and the number of "bought" units is heavily in favour of the PS4. If I calculate it correctly it's 5 to 1 or even more... Moreover, there are dozens if not hundreds of used / imported Xbox One's ready for purchase, far below the official retail price.
Poland was never a huge market for consoles but X360 did very well. I'm pretty sure it was ahead of the PS3 in sales for quite a long time.
Media Markt, Saturn and Euro RTV have a lot of banners and commercials on their websites. There are nice, reasonably priced bundles available - Kinectless Xbox One + Forza 5 + Fifa 15 for PLN 1699 (the same price as a white PS4 + Destiny bundle) and Xbox One + Kinect + Just Dance + Fifa 15 for PLN 1999. Those are official prices - you can get a brand new PS4 for as low as PLN 1450 and an imported, sealed Xbox One with Kinect for PLN 1550.
What's interesting is the fact that I know a guy who got his XO bundle... yesterday. He ordered it online and just like that it arrived 3 days ahead of time.
And now some anecdotal data: On the "Polish Ebay" - "allegro.pl" you can find a lot auctions for both consoles and the number of "bought" units is heavily in favour of the PS4. If I calculate it correctly it's 5 to 1 or even more... Moreover, there are dozens if not hundreds of used / imported Xbox One's ready for purchase, far below the official retail price.
Poland was never a huge market for consoles but X360 did very well. I'm pretty sure it was ahead of the PS3 in sales for quite a long time.
Maybe....but I have hope that the tides are turning. Destiny is a prime example of this. You might be right, but only time will tell.
I guess I need to clarify more. Sony really has no incentive to improve their dev tools. Developers already have it easy on the PS4. Microsoft has a lot to improve on the other hand, I recall during launch many developers spoke out about how hard it was to develop for the Xbox. Microsoft has to improve here.
Night Angel
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Can we get a source for this? Because to my knowledge they've had the ICE team constantly working on new ideas for the PS4.
He is right, it is good and natural for the market if incompetent and weak players leef the market as they ensure someone is able to take there place. Just buying a product just to have more competition is basically a consumer subsidy/handout.
I'm not stating this as a fact but merely my opinion. I'm not familiar with what the ICE team is doing with Sony. If they are working to improve their dev tools then I stand corrected.
Uncle Rupee
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Things in Japan aren't looking very bright (this is the Akihabara Yodobashi store, the one that always shows up on the "Japanese people waiting in line" pics).
What does the sign say about 3DS software Dragon Quest X? LOL if people are actually lining up to buy that instead.
I'm sorry, but your opinion is laughable at best and based on what, exactly?
Sony is on top now and they are way more likely going to bust their asses to stay there.
If you think they will end up being complacent, not improving the platform, you are straight up delusional.
PS4 is market leader by a huge margin and it has a lot of vocal fans with lots of wants and needs. Sony is not going to squander this positive mindshare because they feel they have no incentive to improve. What absolute garbage.
Excellent news, no more will I have to hear this excuse.
How in ANY way is a console not selling well excellent news?
Am I wrong in thinking this is a sick and twisted mentality?
Hison Yohannas
Banned
Didn't they do that when they put out the same 80 million number after MS?
Either way, I don't know why people here think the PS3 is ahead. The only recent numbers we got are from Microsoft. We don't have enough information.
MistaPropella
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The ICE Team from Naughty Dog does nothing else, they constantly improve the tools and help other developers from Sony's Worldwide Studios and third party Studios with the handling of said tools.
Wikipedia Article
Hison Yohannas
Banned
Wow you got the numbers for those countries already? So I guess Wii U must be number one then because I can guess numbers not out as well. Go Wi- what's this? Oya moved 5 million in 2 weeks in tier 2 countries? AMAZING!
Hison Yohannas
Banned
I posted a picture of that same store with people in it so...
Probably because the PS3 has been outselling the 360 worldwide for years. It would be surprising if the 360 suddenly turned the tables at this point.
Sorry, but in my opinion it´s just the opposite
1) Look at PS+ ... nothing compared to what it was on PS3. And yes, they do not need do release AAA retail games by now but just not only indie 8bit stuff
2) Firmware Updates. 10 months with more or less no features is embarrasing.
I see that they have good sales and therefore see no need to go the extra mile for gamers as they have done in the past (and MS is definitely doing now)
Cthulhu_Steev
Member
I have no idea what you're replying to here.
Honestly, why would they even bother? People buy the PS4, no matter what. Sony itself doesn't even know WHY the PS4 sells so well: http://techcrunch.com/2014/08/20/sony-doesnt-know-why-the-ps4-is-doing-well/
And, it doesn't even matter. They don't Need any exclusives, they don't Need updates (except for stability.)
People still buy the PS4. No matter what.
Microsoft on the other Hand, has to work really hard to get some sales. And yeah, great Job, when you look at all those updates.
ProfessorMoran
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Why are consumers obligated to keep MS in the game? Right now the message delivered to MS is that a weaker console at the same or higher price point will lead to a bloodbath, that is as strong a message as one can send. Buying a weaker, more expensive product from MS sends the opposite message, it tells them that there are still people who are brand loyal instead of wanting the best, most price-competitive product on the market.
travisbickle
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No I missed that, semester started this week so they wouldn't have had the student crowd at the event!
The adverts are only about preorder at a specific online store for bonuses, doesn't show any footage. I can't tell if MS are trying particularly hard, we'll see closer to release.
Hison Yohannas
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Sho_Nuff82
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I don't understand this, you're paying people to drum up support for your console, and they can't be arsed to post a couple of screenshots and some cheap PR? I don't understand how MS PAL/JP works, at all. It's like they're the shy kid in the back of the class who's afraid to raise their hand, lest everyone turn around to look at them. Unless your budget is $500 per country, that kind of activity disparity is inexcusable.
The PS3 had a six-year-deep games library of 'stopped-selling' games to dig into for PS+, the PS4 doesn't have that same benefit. Surely you understand this. The Xbox One is absolutely no different in this regard, in fact, it's worse.
I'd take a high quality indie over a middling game like Knack every time. Also the PS+ discounts on the PSN store alone have nearly paid for my yearly subscription already. Not to mention we're still getting two Vita and PS3 games every month. What do you suggest they add on PS+ in terms of games? I'd love to hear it.
Also, Firmware updates is indeed starting slow but you are kidding yourself if you think Sony hasn't read the comparisons or outcry for more features. There's pretty big updates coming this september even, it just doesn't happen at the flick of a switch.
Destiny is a last gen/cross gen game, as is Diablo 3. There really should be no excuse for the X1 to not run these games at 1080p and 60fps, but the fact that it's struggling to do so is pretty telling.
We will really see the hardware difference separate the two consoles when true next gen games, like Arkham Knight or the Witcher 3 hit store shelves (that's if MS doesn't force console parity by buying it or bullying devs, both of which I can see them doing).
It reads a lot like wishful thinking on his part.
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Deleted member 13876
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Same in Belgium. It's more like a new bundle coming out than an actual console launch, especially given how they botched the localization.
It's just saying that, regarding reservations, you can't order it today - so no chance of lines overlapping, don't worry.
I stated that developers have had it very easy on the PS4. Sony has no need to improve their dev tools since it's so easy to develop on the console already. If I'm wrong, which someone pointed out with the ICE team, then thats fine. But is it really necessary to say I'm being delusional, calling what I said absolute garbage? It's not like I'm bashing Sony here, in fact its quite the opposite.
eXistor
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We'll see. At the store I work we have about 45 pre-orders, which is nothing compared to the PS4 (judging by the op's story we work at the same chain of stores). There's been a distinct lack of hype from our customers and very few have actually made a down-payment so I'm curious to see how many we'll actually sell. I think it'll so okay in the long-run, but as the op already said: Sony is king in the Netherlands. In the 360/PS3 days, Sony did roughly double the numbers MS did and the gap seems to be growing every month.
Dev tools are always improving. Why do you think otherwise?
Sure PS4 devs have it pretty good already but there's always a lot of gains to be made and new techniques being implemented
. To think that they'd just stop improving them just sounds silly.
LicenceToK1ll
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Any midnight launch impressions?
LicenceToK1ll
Member
Dutch gamingretailers remain sceptical about the Xbox One launch:
http://entertainmentbusiness.nl/nie...ameretailer-sceptisch-over-xbox-one-lancering
Some interresting quotes:
Sounds messed up, Microsoft should get their act together, this launch is a joke.
http://entertainmentbusiness.nl/nie...ameretailer-sceptisch-over-xbox-one-lancering
Some interresting quotes:
Sounds messed up, Microsoft should get their act together, this launch is a joke.
I was in the biggest electronics store in the 6th largest city in Sweden, 10 minutes past opening. There were no queues, and no other people near the xbox one stacks.
I got the kinectless version with an extra controller and Ryse for 3790 swedish kronor ($25 dollars under suggested retail price for just the console.)
I got the kinectless version with an extra controller and Ryse for 3790 swedish kronor ($25 dollars under suggested retail price for just the console.)