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[p3tran]

I have both machines since the day they were available, not for a week. it is my opinion that build quality is better on xbone.
be it the joypad, the wobbly base, the color/quality of the plastic, or the noise itself.

that does not make ps4 bad. its just that xbone is better in these things.
I do think that in the next version of ps4, sony will rectify most -if not all- of the above

 

[stryke]

facts be facts, this time ms outperformed sony in build quality.

it is my opinion that build quality is better on xbone.

So which is it?

 

[p3tran]

So which is it?

well, if you are able to do a quality test of your own, its one and the same thing!

 

[abczyx]

So which is it?

They say the same thing!

 

[ethomaz]

They say the same thing!

First he said facts be facts.... after he said it is his opinion... so it is not a fact.... way different and not the same.

He needs to choose one.

Spoiler

It is his opinion.

 

[Steroyd]

They say the same thing!

One is expressed as an opinion, the other is expressed as fact, he either did a scientific test on build quality that is quantifiable or he is of the opinion that the Xbox One is a better build quality.

 

[p3tran]

First he said facts are facts.... after he said it is his opinion... so it is not a fact.

yeah, ok.... its not a fact because its my opinion too.. I see..

-ps4 has better build quality than xbone!
you happy now ethomaz?

 

[Abdiel]

well, if you are able to do a quality test of your own, its one and the same thing!

... My head hurts.

Insofar as build quality goes, no, MS did not 'beat' Sony. Both have distinct advantages, but your personal preference regarding those things doesn't make them facts. I don't like the feel of the XB1 controller, but do I think that means it is a bad controller, or 'worse' than the DS4? No. It's just not my preference.

And seriously, working in retail, do you know how often people make jokes about the XB1 looking like a VCR with a DVD slot? Don't equate your opinion to facts, let alone wider range consumer perception.

 

[ethomaz]

yeah, ok.... its not a fact because its my opinion too.. I see..

-ps4 has better build quality than xbone!
you happy now ethomaz?

Your opinion.

Just don't try to make it a fact... I don't know which have better build quality because I never opened neither of them and made test to see which is better... external plastic is just that and don't say nothing about build quality... neither noise.

BTW

well, if you are able to do a quality test of your own, its one and the same thing!

Wut?

 

[Chobel]

well, if you are able to do a quality test of your own, its one and the same thing!

huh?

 

[stryke]

... My head hurts.

Insofar as build quality goes, no, MS did not 'beat' Sony. Both have distinct advantages, but your personal preference regarding those things doesn't make them facts. I don't like the feel of the XB1 controller, but do I think that means it is a bad controller, or 'worse' than the DS4? No. It's just not my preference.

And seriously, working in retail, do you know how often people make jokes about the XB1 looking like a VCR with a DVD slot? Don't equate your opinion to facts, let alone wider range consumer perception.

As a retail guy, do you have figures on return rates due to faults on all consoles at your store?

 

[FeiRR]

I have both machines since the day they were available, not for a week. it is my opinion that build quality is better on xbone.
be it the joypad, the wobbly base, the color/quality of the plastic, or the noise itself.

Do you have engineering knowledge to talk about build quality of both consoles? You're talking about plastic casing, colour and rubber pads, which doesn't make any sense. Build quality of the inside: PCB layout, quality of capacitors and other components, heat distribution, etc. defines how well electronic equipment is made.

 

[p3tran]

... My head hurts.

Insofar as build quality goes, no, MS did not 'beat' Sony. Both have distinct advantages, but your personal preference regarding those things doesn't make them facts. I don't like the feel of the XB1 controller, but do I think that means it is a bad controller, or 'worse' than the DS4? No. It's just not my preference.

And seriously, working in retail, do you know how often people make jokes about the XB1 looking like a VCR with a DVD slot? Don't equate your opinion to facts, let alone wider range consumer perception.

can you guys leave the tier 2 launch thread untrolled? I only replied to the dude that found a post of a console with problem and tried to pull a general (false) conclusion.

what do jokes about vcr have to do with build quality though? I say none.

you really want me to break it down for you guyz?

ok, lets do it

joypad
peels on ps4 - does not peel on xbone : xbox better build quality
flimsy triggers on ps4 - solid triggers with innovative feedback in xbone: xbone again

console
ps4 is noisy under stress - xbone remains silent: xbox again
ps4 is woobly - xbone sits firm : xbox again

and I will let the "reused" plastic look on the case to be up to personal preference..

 

[ethomaz]

ok, lets do it

joypad
peels on ps4 - does not peel on xbone : xbox better build quality
flimsy triggers on ps4 - solid triggers with innovative feedback in xbone: xbone again

console
ps4 is noisy under stress - xbone remains silent: xbox again
ps4 is woobly - xbone sits firm : xbox again

and I will let the "reused" plastic look on the case to be up to personal preference..

1. Innovative is not related to build quality. You could have a point with DS4 peel but they changed the material and the reports are not that high (anecdotal).

2. Not related to build quality... or did you think the bumpers show a bad build quality of XB1 controller? lol

3. Not related to build quality... be noizy or silent means nothing about the build quality.

4. Not related to build quality... btw that gif is fake because PS4 sits firm too.


So your opinion is just opinion... not fact... and you derailed the thread.

 

[Cheech]

Outside of the control stick issue, I'm not seeing how Microsoft has produced a better built system than Sony. Outside of the initial teething issues both system had, they both seem reliable enough.

The Xbone controller does seem much, much more solid. The Ds4 is very nice and comfortable to use, but Sony seems to have spent less than Microsoft on the materials they used to build the thing. It just feels cheap and not especially tight.

As for the system itself, my PS4 gets FAR hotter during play and is noisier. Not an overwhelming indication of inferior build quality, but heat kills electronics. Period. I'd put money on the Xbone lasting longer, simply because it dissipates heat more efficiently. As it should, it's a huge god damn box with giant vents on the top!

 

[Steroyd]

can you guys leave the tier 2 launch thread untrolled? I only replied to the dude that found a post of a console with problem and tried to pull a general (false) conclusion.

what do jokes about vcr have to do with build quality though? I say none.

you really want me to break it down for you guyz?

ok, lets do it

joypad
peels on ps4 - does not peel on xbone : xbox better build quality
flimsy triggers on ps4 - solid triggers with innovative feedback in xbone: xbone again

console
ps4 is noisy under stress - xbone remains silent: xbox again
ps4 is woobly - xbone sits firm : xbox again

and I will let the "reused" plastic look on the case to be up to personal preference..

Come on, you can't bring "innovative" feedback triggers into the equation of quality build and ignore Sixaxis, touchscreen and the speaker in the DS4, because you now look like you have an agenda.

 

[YoodlePro]

can you guys leave the tier 2 launch thread untrolled? I only replied to the dude that found a post of a console with problem and tried to pull a general (false) conclusion.

what do jokes about vcr have to do with build quality though? I say none.

you really want me to break it down for you guyz?

ok, lets do it

joypad
peels on ps4 - does not peel on xbone : xbox better build quality
flimsy triggers on ps4 - solid triggers with innovative feedback in xbone: xbone again

console
ps4 is noisy under stress - xbone remains silent: xbox again
ps4 is woobly - xbone sits firm : xbox again

and I will let the "reused" plastic look on the case to be up to personal preference..

Joypad - Blue ds4, doesn't peel, looks like new

Triggers - don't know what you are talking about and calling the trigger rumble of thr xbone pad "innovative" screams either fanboy or you are desperately grasping for straws.

Ps4 noisy - design decision, not build quality. Are you going to say that a laptop gpu has better build quality than a dedicated one because it's quieter?

Ps4 wobbly - IIRC ps4 only has 3 rubber feet because one should be where you replace the hard drive (correct me GAF). Now what do you take? Wobblyness with the ability to change your hard drive, or no wobblyness but you can't change your hard drive without losing warranty. Easy choice for some.

You see, this is solely your opinion and not a fact. And you say that people judged the xbone on those few defective units and there you are judging the ds4 on a defective batch.

 

[p3tran]

Come on, you can't bring "innovative" feedback triggers into the equation of quality build and ignore Sixaxis, touchscreen and the speaker in the DS4, because you now look like you have an agenda.

I talk about BUILD QUALITY
trigger is flimsy and makes squeek noises
trigger is fuckin solid on xbox, plus when it kicks your finger back for feedback, thats another perceived quality thing, especially in direct comparison to the squeeks

 

[onanie]

I talk about BUILD QUALITY
trigger is flimsy and makes squeek noises

Did you happen to grab a mouse when you were playing in the dark?

 

[YoodlePro]

I talk about BUILD QUALITY
trigger is flimsy and makes squeek noises
trigger is fuckin solid on xbox, plus when it kicks your finger back for feedback, thats another perceived quality thing, especially in direct comparison to the squeeks

Why do you generalise? A few controllers squeaking != all controllers squeaking.

 

[YoodlePro]

Did you happen to grab a mouse when you were playing in the dark?

#DEAD

Thanks for the laugh.

 

[tehrafe]

Saw this on the Playstation Belgium Facebook page

 

[p3tran]

Why do you generalise? A few controllers squeaking != all controllers squeaking.

well, all of my friends who rock ps4's have noticed the same things. most of them have changed joypads more than one times (honored warranty from sony distributor here, not paid extra), especially those who put in long times. others had their L1-R1 button pop out, etc.
my ps4 is noisy -very noisy compared to my xbox- but its nowhere near as noisy as some ps4s of my friends.

I already said way before, that I think sony will improve on these things by the time the first redesign launches.
and for the joypad, they dont even have to wait for the next console redesign.
plus, I said I dont think "ps4 is bad".

but trying to prove that the perceived quality of the two units at launch is one and the same, good luck trying to convince people that have had both machines since they debuted.

and furthermore, claiming that xbox is not silent because of a post regarding what must be a faulty unit.. well, thats the reason I posted in the first place: its completely false conclusion.

 

[Steroyd]

I talk about BUILD QUALITY
trigger is flimsy and makes squeek noises
trigger is fuckin solid on xbox, plus when it kicks your finger back for feedback, thats another perceived quality thing, especially in direct comparison to the squeeks

I'm just not seeing how rumble in triggers is a perceived quality thing and those three things I mentioned aren't in terms of how more complex the controller is to build overall.

 

[ethomaz]

and furthermore, claiming that xbox is not silent because of a post regarding what must be a faulty unit.. well, thats the reason I posted in the first place: its completely false conclusion.

I agree

But you are doing the same thing here... making false conclusions about build quality.

PS. About your friend controllers... anecdotal but I have two DS4 and they still looks new (even after a brick fall on one of them) after over 400 hours of playtime (avg. estimation I really just knew that I played over 200 hours in Warframe because it saves it).

 

[YoodlePro]

well, all of my friends who rock ps4's have noticed the same things. most of them have changed joypads more than one times (honored warranty from sony distributor here, not paid extra), especially those who put in long times. others had their L1-R1 button pop out, etc.
my ps4 is noisy -very noisy compared to my xbox- but its nowhere near as noisy as some ps4s of my friends.

I already said way before, that I think sony will improve on these things by the time the first redesign launches.
and for the joypad, they dont even have to wait for the next console redesign.
plus, I said I dont think "ps4 is bad".

but trying to prove that the perceived quality of the two units at launch is one and the same, good luck trying to convince people that have had both machines since they debuted.

and furthermore, claiming that xbox is not silent because of a post regarding what must be a faulty unit.. well, thats the reason I posted in the first place: its completely false conclusion.

You just won't understand that being noisy is Not bad quality. And again it is widely known that some if the first batches of the ds4 had some problems, problems which now have been rectified.

I have the feeling you have an agenda.

 

[p3tran]

You just won't understand that being noisy is Not bad quality. And again it is widely known that some if the first batches of the ds4 had some problems, problems which now have been rectified.

I have the feeling you have an agenda.

I have an agenda. ok.gif

 

[onanie]

PS. About your friend controllers... anecdotal but I have two DS4 and they still looks new (even after a brick fall on one of them) after over 400 hours of playtime (avg. estimation I really just know that I played over 200 hours in Warframe because he save it).

You just don't have the right kind of friends.

 

[serversurfer]

Neither does your lack of evidence that MS isn't actually doing that. Last I checked they do have games announced and in the pipeline for the console. Could it be more? Sure, it always can be more. But it's disingenuous to suggest they aren't.

You're right. Phil even explained that he basically had no choice but to buy Tomb Raider exclusivity because he had been trying to develop a game on par with Uncharted, but had been unable to do so.

So it's not like MS don't try to make games. They simply aren't as good at it as Sony are, so they just need to buy their market share a little more directly than Sony do. After all, there's no reason MS should let something like an inability to make quality games prevent them from being successful in the gaming industry.

 

[ethomaz]

You just don't have the right kind of friends.

I can go more anecdotal yet.

My brothers is not a gamer (just play PES, that is the most played game in Brazil, with friends) and he doesn't have any console at home. He works at a big store here called "Magazine Luiza".

Someday he called me on phone and told me that finally his store received the Xbox One and everybody was excited to try it (the employees) but they couldn't turn the console on because the store didn't have internet except for the working computers... they even tried to use a 3G phone wifi share to make start the console but they stopped after reach the 3G plan limit of his plan.

And the end he said "Ohhh but I put my hands on the controller... and it felt cheaper... I don't know but the material used feels bad in my hands... MS did a bad job because it way cheaper material than 360's controller".

In my mind I was like "I feel it will say the same about the DS4 lol".... to be fair to me both controller have similar material quality.

 

[p3tran]

well, its only your brothers very first impression, so give him some room there.
materials are in no way cheaper than 360's pad, plus let him use it for a week or two and ask him again.

 

[Tommy DJ]

As for the system itself, my PS4 gets FAR hotter during play and is noisier. Not an overwhelming indication of inferior build quality, but heat kills electronics. Period. I'd put money on the Xbone lasting longer, simply because it dissipates heat more efficiently. As it should, it's a huge god damn box with giant vents on the top!

None of this indicates build quality. If the hardware is designed to withstand certain temperature loads, then it doesn't matter if it runs "hot". As far as computers go, neither the PS4 or Xbox One get "hot". From the tests I could find, it gets around 60 degrees celsius while playing Killzone.

The only reason the PS4 feels significantly hotter than the Xbox One is because the Xbox One's heatsink isn't jammed right against anything.

 

[kekke]

Thanks guys for awesome retaill stories from Tier 2 countries, especially on this last page, keep it up!

 

[AmaterasuOni]

Can anyone confirm/deny that the shipment of Xbonen to Chile are all making an irritating chirping noise?


http://forums.xbox.com/xbox_forums/xbox_support/xbox_one_support/f/4269/t/1805665.aspx?pi7962=7

It doesn't sound limited to Chile but such a claim would be easy enough to verify.

We have same kind of reports here in Finland as well.

 

[ironcreed]

I have both machines since the day they were available, not for a week. it is my opinion that build quality is better on xbone.
be it the joypad, the wobbly base, the color/quality of the plastic, or the noise itself.

that does not make ps4 bad. its just that xbone is better in these things.
I do think that in the next version of ps4, sony will rectify most -if not all- of the above

The Xbox One does look and feel as if it is built like a tank with a tight fit and finish. It's also quiet as a mouse and barely even gets warm. The controller is also the best I have ever used. I'll be getting a PS4 soon and am looking forward to seeing how it stacks up in these areas for myself.

Anyway, this is off topic. Congrats to the people getting one.

 

[Green Yoshi]

"Honestly speaking, we haven't sold a single Xbox yet today. The Xbox has never been a big-seller, but we would expect a few customers on the release day," a sales assistant at a Tokyo electronics store, who asked for it not to be identified, told The Hollywood Reporter.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/xbox-one-console-has-dismal-730097

 

[Caayn]

4. Not related to build quality... btw that gif is fake because PS4 sits firm too.

Gif is not fake. The PS4 only has three points of contact when placed horizontal.

 

[Steroyd]

Gif is not fake. The PS4 only has three points of contact when placed horizontal.

Obviously you didn't download the latest stability update.

 

[Jimmyfenix]

Saw this on the Playstation Belgium Facebook page

Good to see this.

 

[JaggedSac]

First console launch without any scalpers, really weird launch with no hype or advertisement.

Wasn't this expected since you could already import them anyway? At least that's what I've been reading on here.

 

[Xando]

Wasn't this expected since you could already import them anyway? At least that's what I've been reading on here.

Would have guessed that they atleast start a small advertising campaign in T2 Europe but from what i heard from friends in Amsterdam and here on GAF there was nothing.

 

[JaggedSac]

Wut?

Evolution exists.

It is my opinion that evolution exists.

Oh shit, did I just negate the fact that evolution exists because I also said it was my opinion? Sorry guys.

 

[BibiMaghoo]

Gif is not fake. The PS4 only has three points of contact when placed horizontal.

It only has three rubber feet yes, but there is no give at all on any side. You can push down at any point and the console does not move, meaning that gif is either fake, not on a flat surface, or has had a foot removed. My Ps4 is next to me as I type this, and at no point does it wobble at all wherever you push down.

 

[jryi]

Does anybody have any ideas, what the sales numbers for tier 2 countries are gonna be during the launch weekend, and if Microsoft is going to comment them in any way?

 

[Nightengale]

Does anybody have any ideas, what the sales numbers for tier 2 countries are gonna be during the launch weekend, and if Microsoft is going to comment them in any way?

If it's over a million (for all tier-2 countries combined), I can see a PR release being put out specifically for those countries.

But they're definitely not going to say anything about their current LTD.

 

[Idba]

Evolution exists.

It is my opinion that evolution exists.

Oh shit, did I just negate the fact that evolution exists because I also said it was my opinion? Sorry guys.

Some dude : "I believe evolution exists"
Other dude: "Well i don't"
Some dude: "No. Evolution does exist"
Other dude: "Evolution is only a hypothesis that has yet to be 100% confirmed. Therefore I do not believe that evolution exists until it goes from hypothesis to fact."

 

[mike4001_]

If it's over a million (for all tier-2 countries combined), I can see a PR release being put out specifically for those countries.

Somehow I doubt that ...

Of course they will sell some units and will probably also have fulfulled several preorders but I honstly cannot see 1 Mio. units sold when many store already had the X1 in store (imported with slightly higher price).

My (hopeful) guess is max. 500.000

 

[JaggedSac]

Some dude : "I believe evolution exists"
Other dude: "Well i don't"
Some dude: "No. Evolution does exist"
Other dude: "Evolution is only a hypothesis that has yet to be 100% confirmed. Therefore I do not believe that evolution exists until it goes from hypothesis to fact."

Evolution has been proven.

 

[On Demand]

Don't mean to jump on the build quality discussion but the DS4 to me doesn't feel cheap at all. When I first tried it out months ago at BB I would agree if felt like a fisher price toy. But when my nephew brought his controller over and I used it to play the Destiny beta I actually couldn't believe how much better it felt. I don't know what changed but everything felt high quality to me. The sticks are very tight which I love. Going back to the DS3 it was that now felt like a fisher price toy! And I love the DS3! But it's crap compared to the DS4.

Never held an XB1 controller so I can't comment on that.

 

[YoodlePro]

well, its only your brothers very first impression, so give him some room there.
materials are in no way cheaper than 360's pad, plus let him use it for a week or two and ask him again.

Well bumpers are worse than the 360 that's for sure. Never liked the DS3 and never really liked the asymmetrical sticks and dpad of the 360 controller, but it sure had good L1 R1 buttons.