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[Hero]

So is it reading comprehension or critical thinking that is lacking with the pot calling the kettle black responses?

 

[fabricated backlash]

So is it reading comprehension or critical thinking that is lacking with the pot calling the kettle black responses?

No just the usual Nintendo thread shit posting.

 

[maxcriden]

To be fair, shortening it in any way would have likely caused this. Don't fret.

Thanks Joe! I tried.

I'm referring to your second sentence.

Yeah, I know

 

[Coffee Dog]

Main/sole representative in a genre? I guess things like LBP, Puppeteer, Rayman etc don't exist. On the other hand, Activision or EA doesn't make just shooters last I checked.
IW is just one studio, so it makes little sense expecting anything vastly different. EAD 3 has made like 10 Zelda games and 2 spinoffs in the past 15 years. Nintendo's isn't any different in that respect.

It's not that they don't exist, it's that that is literally all of the non nintendo big bugdet platformers

So is it reading comprehension or critical thinking that is lacking with the pot calling the kettle black responses?

Nintendo thread. It's impossible to actually have a discussion whenever Miyamoto (or anyone at nintendo) comments on the industry because people are too busy going for fucking zingers.

 

[LordGouda]

No just the usual Nintendo thread shit posting.

Pretty much, it's usually prevalent whenever Miyamoto is stating something he's concerned about in the industry.

 

[reptilexcq2]

What he said does not make sense. He's saying that game creators are creating more of the same. But isn't that what's been doing also lol? He's been bringing Mario/Zela/Donkey Kong from one iteration after another...itsn't that the same old stuffs that he keep bringing out year after year? lol. He's talking about bloody shooting games and more of it....but people are creating something that consumers want and that's how they make money. It is no difference than him keep bringing out Mario year after year lol. I get that he probably hate shooting games and that has to do with the fact that Wii console are pretty much for kids and that's why he feel jealous that the industry are all about shooting game and not enough Mario lol.

But then again, this type of comments are reserve for someone that are loyal to Nintendo. He like to criticize anything that pretty much isn't Nintendo. I remember he talk smack about the Oculus Rift too saying it is not a good idea because it is going to isolate people....yea whatever. The man should just shut his mouth and stick to just making game...because that's what he's good at imo.

 

[Balb]

Step it up then, Miyamoto.

I think he's done more than enough for this industry. His words aren't any less true regardless of how innovative you think his games are in 2014 .

 

[valentine71]

Errm he also Directed Zelda Ocarina of Time, one of the best reviewed titles in the entire history of the Industry. He produced Metroid Prime

While your point about Metroid is valid, Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 is also one of the best reviewed titles in the entire history of the industry. Shouldn't that teach you a point about your second point about the quality of the reviews in the history of the industry?

 

[Shaanyboi]

What he said does not make sense. He's saying that game creators are creating more of the same. But isn't that what's been doing also lol? He's been bringing Mario/Zela/Donkey Kong from one iteration after another...itsn't that the same old stuffs that he keep bringing out year after year? lol. He's talking about bloody shooting games and more of it....but people are creating something that consumers want and that's how they make money. It is no difference than him keep bringing out Mario year after year lol. I get that he probably hate shooting games and that has to do with the fact that Wii console are pretty much for kids and that's why he feel jealous that the industry are all about shooting game and not enough Mario lol.

But then again, this type of comments are reserve for someone that are loyal to Nintendo. He like to criticize anything that pretty much isn't Nintendo. I remember he talk smack about the Oculus Rift too saying it is not a good idea because it is going to isolate people....yea whatever. The man should just shut his mouth and stick to just making game...because that's what he's good at imo.

Good lord...

 

[Coffee Dog]

What he said does not make sense. He's saying that game creators are creating more of the same. But isn't that what's been doing also lol? He's been bringing Mario/Zela/Donkey Kong from one iteration after another...itsn't that the same old stuffs that he keep bringing out year after year? lol. He's talking about bloody shooting games and more of it....but people are creating something that consumers want and that's how they make money. It is no difference than him keep bringing out Mario year after year lol. I get that he probably hate shooting games and that has to do with the fact that Wii console are pretty much for kids and that's why he feel jealous that the industry are all about shooting game and not enough Mario lol.

But then again, this type of comments are reserve for someone that are loyal to Nintendo. He like to criticize anything that pretty much isn't Nintendo. I remember he talk smack about the Oculus Rift too saying it is not a good idea because it is going to isolate people....yea whatever. The man should just shut his mouth and stick to just making game...because that's what he's good at imo.

I don't even know if I should bother at this point. Is it too much for people to read the OP, or (god forbid) the actual thread?

 

[Nanashrew]

No just the usual Nintendo thread shit posting.

Since joining GAF it feels like every single Nintendo thread is like a miniature version of Lord of The Flies.

 

[Hero]

So is it reading comprehension or critical thinking that is lacking with the pot calling the kettle black responses?

What he said does not make sense. He's saying that game creators are creating more of the same. But isn't that what's been doing also lol? He's been bringing Mario/Zela/Donkey Kong from one iteration after another...itsn't that the same old stuffs that he keep bringing out year after year? lol. He's talking about bloody shooting games and more of it....but people are creating something that consumers want and that's how they make money. It is no difference than him keep bringing out Mario year after year lol. I get that he probably hate shooting games and that has to do with the fact that Wii console are pretty much for kids and that's why he feel jealous that the industry are all about shooting game and not enough Mario lol.

But then again, this type of comments are reserve for someone that are loyal to Nintendo. He like to criticize anything that pretty much isn't Nintendo. I remember he talk smack about the Oculus Rift too saying it is not a good idea because it is going to isolate people....yea whatever. The man should just shut his mouth and stick to just making game...because that's what he's good at imo.

So....both.

 

[PKrockin]

What he said does not make sense. He's saying that game creators are creating more of the same. But isn't that what's been doing also lol? He's been bringing Mario/Zela/Donkey Kong from one iteration after another...itsn't that the same old stuffs that he keep bringing out year after year? lol. He's talking about bloody shooting games and more of it....but people are creating something that consumers want and that's how they make money. It is no difference than him keep bringing out Mario year after year lol. I get that he probably hate shooting games and that has to do with the fact that Wii console are pretty much for kids and that's why he feel jealous that the industry are all about shooting game and not enough Mario lol.

But then again, this type of comments are reserve for someone that are loyal to Nintendo. He like to criticize anything that pretty much isn't Nintendo. I remember he talk smack about the Oculus Rift too saying it is not a good idea because it is going to isolate people....yea whatever. The man should just shut his mouth and stick to just making game...because that's what he's good at imo.

You should educate yourself on what Miyamoto has actually been committing most of his time to before making yourself look ignorant like this.

 

[Chû Totoro]

Miyamoto's interview on Edge is actually a very good read, most of this thread's posts are not. Thanks OP for the ones who don't have access to the full content, they still have interesting quotes.

Now I'm out.

 

[weekev]

Came for the "bu-bu-bu Mario!" shitposting, not surprised.

Anyway, in regard for the actual OP, I think Miyamoto is correct in that there don't seem to be that many genres or settings being explored. Outside of the indie space, obviously...

Personally I'm pretty tired of the "so you have this gun, and you shoot bullets at people and stuff and sometimes get behind cover" approach that seems to pervade a lot of games nowadays. It IS very samey. There are a lot of interesting places to go in games and it seems like the focus is on where we can go and shoot stuff because there's a war going on or whatever.

I'd be curious to see a big developer try a "Romance" genre game with a "AAA" budget, for instance. Just to see what that would look like. I have to believe we're not just stuck with dating sims and Gigolo Mode for that entire genre, are we?

I think stuff like this is why we have such a large percentage of male gamers vs female gamers. I know thats a controversial comment but when you consider 93% of Nintendo Eshop customers are male https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&s...AQFjAB&usg=AFQjCNHbQsnCKWvrs6IrXxNZSbHFSkyIhA
it makes me think there is clearly a huge untapped market and ideas like this could make itinteresting.

Think about Hollywood, there are big budget blockbusters which have a target market of adolescent to young adult males and there are chick flicks, why isntit the same in the gaming industry?

 

[LordGouda]

What he said does not make sense. He's saying that game creators are creating more of the same. But isn't that what's been doing also lol? He's been bringing Mario/Zela/Donkey Kong from one iteration after another...itsn't that the same old stuffs that he keep bringing out year after year? lol. He's talking about bloody shooting games and more of it....but people are creating something that consumers want and that's how they make money. It is no difference than him keep bringing out Mario year after year lol. I get that he probably hate shooting games and that has to do with the fact that Wii console are pretty much for kids and that's why he feel jealous that the industry are all about shooting game and not enough Mario lol.

But then again, this type of comments are reserve for someone that are loyal to Nintendo. He like to criticize anything that pretty much isn't Nintendo. I remember he talk smack about the Oculus Rift too saying it is not a good idea because it is going to isolate people....yea whatever. The man should just shut his mouth and stick to just making game...because that's what he's good at imo.

He's referring to games being made, new IPs, that are similar to other IPs because they're popular. Look at GTA and the clones. Look at WoW and it's clones. Look at CoD and the clones. He's not exactly wrong. Hell, he has even been critical of himself and of Nintendo when it comes to making sequels and whatnot.

 

[Captain Rage Quit 69]

Some stuff, go read his post to check it out.

Please read the last five pages.

And he was saying the Oculus Rift didn't fit their image of bringing people together, because it's not exactly easy to play multiplayer when you gotta wear a vr headset. He didn't even discredit it either, especially considering he works for the company responsible for the Virtual Boy.

 

[Brainiac 8]

What he said does not make sense. He's saying that game creators are creating more of the same. But isn't that what's been doing also lol? He's been bringing Mario/Zela/Donkey Kong from one iteration after another...itsn't that the same old stuffs that he keep bringing out year after year? lol. He's talking about bloody shooting games and more of it....but people are creating something that consumers want and that's how they make money. It is no difference than him keep bringing out Mario year after year lol. I get that he probably hate shooting games and that has to do with the fact that Wii console are pretty much for kids and that's why he feel jealous that the industry are all about shooting game and not enough Mario lol.

But then again, this type of comments are reserve for someone that are loyal to Nintendo. He like to criticize anything that pretty much isn't Nintendo. I remember he talk smack about the Oculus Rift too saying it is not a good idea because it is going to isolate people....yea whatever. The man should just shut his mouth and stick to just making game...because that's what he's good at imo.

Didn't read the quote, did you?

 

[MoogleWizard]

To the posters saying "lol kettle pots, lol glasshouses and stones". Compare the software lineups for the Wii U to those of the PS4 and the Xbone. You will see that one system has a pretty unique line up of games without similar equivalents on the other two. Try harder.

 

[Makonero]

Since joining GAF it feels like every single Nintendo thread is like a miniature version of Lord of The Flies.

I definitely have developed a Nintendo-related inferiority complex on these boards. It makes me more defensive and more sympathetic to Nintendo than I should be, because no one else gives them any credit or the benefit of the doubt, ever.

I do try to cope though. I own a PS3 now and everything!

 

[Kansoku]

ITT: People don't read the OP and

Anyway, he`s absolutely right. As consoles get more powerful, budgets increases and more sales are needed to break even, so games get "dumbed down" to reach the maximum number of people to sell more. If it's FPS that are "the shit", then everyone is going to try that. It's always been like that, but with the death of many, many studios, most of them "B-tier", it becomes more apparent. We have AAA now that follow the trend, and indies, where most creativity lie. Nintendo is one of the few that don't follow much of this, living in a good in-between. They do need their Mario sales, tho.

 

[mantidor]

I do agree with this. Look at how many companies tried and failed to chase the COD market, for example. And he doesn't hold himself exempt from this.

Practically everyone will ignore this.

Fake edit:

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Maybe the title should've gone further and put in bold letters "he's including himself!!!" Or something.

And what the hell we are at three pages already, I took some time to respond but not that much D:

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Meanwhile Destiny is the most preordered game of all time, had a massive and successful launch, and is well on its way to becoming the next Call of Duty.

Gamers know what they want and they are voting with their wallets. The sales of Wii U vs. PS4 + Bone should be proof enough. Maybe if Miyamoto focused more on what the players want instead of what he wants, Nintendo would be doing better in home consoles than they are right now.

 

[iMerc]

It's a combination that and someone people honestly not giving a damn as long as they can get a dig in on Nintendo and point and laugh. It happens whenever a thread like this appears. All the damn time. The substance of what is being said is ignored so someone can latch on to just part of a statement, ignore the context, so they can make a false equivalency and pat themselves on the back trying to be clever. Which also was done in this thread. It's damn tiring.

well what did you expect? reasonable, open minded discussion?
*tyrion lannister* you've come to the wrong place.

 

[LordGouda]

Meanwhile Destiny is the most preordered game of all time, had a massive and successful launch, and is well on its way to becoming the next Call of Duty.

Gamers know what they want and they are voting with their wallets. The sales of Wii U vs. PS4 + Bone should be proof enough. Maybe if Miyamoto focused more on what the players want instead of what he wants, Nintendo would be doing better in home consoles than they are right now.

This post has literally nothing to do with what he said. Please read the OP.

 

[Nanashrew]

I definitely have developed a Nintendo-related inferiority complex on these boards. It makes me more defensive and more sympathetic to Nintendo than I should be, because no one else gives them any credit or the benefit of the doubt, ever.

I do try to cope though. I own a PS3 now and everything!

Yeah, I understand the feeling. It's like no one can read or can't understand nuance so I feel like I have to spell it out. It makes me come off fanboyish to a lot just having too so that doesn't help =/. Miyamoto isn't excluding himself or Nintendo just like all those other times he's given criticism about the industry. I have a PS3 too. I've been Sony and Nintendo for a long time now.

 

[GifGafIsTheBestGaf]

Has he seen Gamescom? Cause there was a lot outside the typical fare announced there.

this, people still bitched about teh filthy indies and lack of super expensive AAA titles.

the fault is from both consumers and devs/pubs, we like the games we feel comfortable with (im guilty of this)

 

[Vlade]

Miyamoto's interview on Edge is actually a very good read, most of this thread's posts are not. Thanks OP for the ones who don't have access to the full content, they still have interesting quotes.

Now I'm out.

It is a good read. And I would like to read more thoughts on what people would do to offer something new.

Is it really that difficult to discuss? do people just see his name and think "yay! I get to stick it to that guy people like without reading the actual topic!"

"How dare he criticize the industry when i have been less than impressed with Mario games and I assume that's all he does!"

there, we said it.

 

[John Harker]

I know this answer most people wil just ignore, but...

you have to maintain revenue. you have to have a 'cash cow' to keep the lights on. If you do not maintain some level of dependable quarterly revenue, investors get spooked.

Mario is such a 'revered' character that he gets a lot of scrutiny... but truth be told, it's just another yearly franchise for nintendo. they need to release a big mario game every year. it keeps them from laying off a lot of people.

that said, there is still a ton of innovation with that character.
and they will continue to do 'tentpole' releases every few years with mario. but for the most part, they gotta do it annual because it brings in the money to keep them afloat.

and allows them to take risks in other genres.

and c'mon, you know this is Miyamoto talking.
He doens't see the skin of a game, he seems the mechanics behind it. so even if mario is in 5 games, to his mind anyway, those are 5 uniquely designed and different experiences.

to him, 5 shooters - even though we see different worlds and set pieces and features - he just sees the core mechanics of shooting enemies with projectiles from a first person view. his creative perspective just sees the same tenets.

 

[reptilexcq2]

He's referring to games being made, new IPs, that are similar to other IPs because they're popular. Look at GTA and the clones. Look at WoW and it's clones. Look at CoD and the clones. He's not exactly wrong. Hell, he has even been critical of himself and of Nintendo when it comes to making sequels and whatnot.

Oh i agreed about NEW IPs and more cloning...wholeheartedly. But you can't fault them for that because that's where the money is......no difference than him bringing out the same stuffs instead creating NEW IPs lol.

 

[JoeM86]

I definitely have developed a Nintendo-related inferiority complex on these boards. It makes me more defensive and more sympathetic to Nintendo than I should be, because no one else gives them any credit or the benefit of the doubt, ever.

I do try to cope though. I own a PS3 now and everything!

Yeah, I understand the feeling. It's like no one can read or can't understand nuance so I feel like I have to spell it out. It makes me come off fanboyish to a lot just having too so that doesn't help =/. Miyamoto isn't excluding himself or Nintendo just like all those other times he's given criticism about the industry. I have a PS3 too. I've been Sony and Nintendo for a long time now.

It's the same for me on another forum I go to. Ironically, a Nintendo forum :/

Nintendo isn't perfect, not even with this, but the crap they get is ridiculous.

 

[MrBadger]

Main/sole representative in a genre? I guess things like LBP, Puppeteer, Rayman etc don't exist. On the other hand, Activision or EA doesn't make just shooters last I checked.
IW is just one studio, so it makes little sense expecting anything vastly different. EAD 3 has made like 10 Zelda games and 2 spinoffs in the past 15 years. Nintendo's isn't any different in that respect.

Puppeteer and Rayman don't disprove Shiggy's point. You can hardly use them to represent the AAA gaming landscape because both sold relatively poorly and you basically listed every non-Nintendo or indie platformer.

Also as someone else said, an IP is just a coat of paint. Zelda's constantly changing in art style and design principles, as many people who played Skyward Sword will tell you. Plus this isn't about one company making a series of similar games, it's many companies making similar games. So I don't know why people think listing the amount of Nintendo games in a given franchise is a counterpoint.

 

[Sadist]

You folks really need to read Miyamoto's interview in EDGE.

Thing is, apparently people don't understand they're trying to compare a industrywide trend compared to the output of one company. Come on guys. Several publishers out there have multiple shooter IP's in their portfolio and they're trying to outwit eachother. I know Miyamoto's monniker for "bloody shooter games" is pretty terrible, but we understand some of the context right?

 

[A10Pilot]

Holy lol. Nintendo, king of rehash.

 

[Oersted]

I see where he is coming from. He is the dude who considered Portal and Angry Birds great, while Super Mario Galaxy was too conservative for him. Miyamoto was invested in Wii Music, pushes Steel Diver, is involved in Nintendo's garage and presented those demos at E3. Dude wants new things and thats really great on him. I hope he pushes new ideas, people and games via Garage.

 

[Salex_]

No just the usual Nintendo thread shit posting.

Nintendo thread. It's impossible to actually have a discussion whenever Miyamoto (or anyone at nintendo) comments on the industry because people are too busy going for fucking zingers.

Do you guys only read Nintendo threads? This happens to every PC, Xbox, or PlayStation thread that gives people a reason to post a "sick burn" post and requires someone to actually read the OP to understand.

To the posters saying "lol kettle pots, lol glasshouses and stones". Compare the software lineups for the Wii U to those of the PS4 and the Xbone. You will see that one system has a pretty unique line up of games without similar equivalents on the other two. Try harder.

One console is almost 2 years old with little to no 3rd party games after the launch window and the other 2 are almost one year old with a bunch big high selling franchises catering to the AAA typical audience...? If you look pass those games you can still find a unique lineup of games (both retail and downloadable) that aren't made for that audience.

 

[Glorified G]

I dunno man, you can say what you want about them rehashing the same old franchises but there is more creativity and originality in a new Mario game than there is in an entire gen of first person shooters.

No they don't. You enjoy Nintendo games, that's why you can't see, or really don't care about their lack of originality and supposedly can see it for an "entire gen of first person shooters"

There is nothing more creative or original in 3D World than there is in Titanfall, Wolfenstein or especially Bulletstorm, which btw took a much more daring and original take on the its own genre than Mario Kart 8 did.

 

[Sify64]

Meanwhile Destiny is the most preordered game of all time, had a massive and successful launch, and is well on its way to becoming the next Call of Duty.

Gamers know what they want and they are voting with their wallets. The sales of Wii U vs. PS4 + Bone should be proof enough. Maybe if Miyamoto focused more on what the players want instead of what he wants, Nintendo would be doing better in home consoles than they are right now.

So you want Nintendo to make clones of AAA bloody, realistic shooters, open-world adventure, driving games and whatever else is popular just like Microsoft, Sony and every other third party publisher.

 

[PKrockin]

Oh i agreed about NEW IPs and more cloning...wholeheartedly. But you can't fault them for that because that's where the money is......no difference than him bringing out the same stuffs instead creating NEW IPs lol.

He has been creating new IPs. Again, stop making yourself look like a fool by running with that assumption he's responsible for NSMB and nothing else.

 

[rekameohs]

There are a shocking amount of people on this forum who don't take the time to actually fucking read the topic that they're posting in. He's clearly not exempting Nintendo from doing the same; he's saying that it's an inherent problem of the video game industry, and most developers, including himself, have a hard time escaping it.

But no, let's just have a drive-by shitpost instead.

 

[Stet]

Movies too. They're too same-y. I can say this because I slyly pretend to be unaware of the thousands of movies each year that aren't.

 

[Greenzxy]

There are a shocking amount of people on this forum who don't take the time to actually fucking read the topic that they're posting in. He's clearly not exempting Nintendo from doing the same; he's saying that it's an inherent problem of the video game industry, and most developers, including himself, have a hard time escaping it.

But no, let's just have a drive-by shitpost instead.

lol

 

[flyinpiranha]

You folks really need to read Miyamoto's interview in EDGE.

Thing is, apparently people don't understand they're trying to compare a industrywide trend compared to the output of one company. Come on guys. Several publishers out there have multiple shooter IP's in their portfolio and they're trying to outwit eachother. I know Miyamoto's monniker for "bloody shooter games" is pretty terrible, but we understand some of the context right?

Sure, I just happen to 100%, completely disagree with his statement. It's ridiculous to think that the millions of casual gamers, children, moms, dads, etc ... are all just playing COD and GTA rehashes. Do they sell the most? Nope. Most huge income games are F2P MOBA style games ... or is League of Legends and DOTA2 not popular huge franchises? Did I completely imagine Minecraft and all the other PC/console games that aren't COD and GTA? Racing games are seeing a resurgence, puzzle games and strategy games are doing great, sidescrolling platformers with creative indie takes are everywhere.

I get it, you look at COD and GTA and all you see is GTA and COD ... well, stop looking at COD and GTA!

Like the person who responded to my other post is saying about pop music. Is the fact that Beiber exists make all other music shitty? What about McDonalds? Is there no good burgers even though Jack in the Box, Sonic, Burger King are all trying to "copy" the fast food burger method? I guess there's no good hamburger out there.

His statement is hyperbolic and ridiculous. It's because HIS games aren't the ones everybody is copying that he isn't happy. I'm sure when Mario was tops and Banjo, Conker, Crash Bandicoot, Ratchet, Sly, and the multiple other "copy cats" were out there he probably thought the industry was doing just fine.

I see no problem with companies producing products that their consumer wants to purchase. Just because a game "is" FPS or open world doesn't make it a "rehash". Sleeping Dogs is a completely different game than Saints Row. COD is worlds different than ARMA.

And we are on the cusp of VR, sadly, he doesn't even mention where that may take gaming.

So no, I don't agree with his statement. I think it's closed-minded and "old man yell at cloud".

 

[Game4life]

What about Rime, Tomorrow's Children etc.. To generalize every game as mostly a shooter is like generalizing every nintendo game as a platformer with a kiddish artstyle. Nintendo makes unique games. So does the competition.

 

[Raist]

Puppeteer and Rayman don't disprove Shiggy's point. You can hardly use them to represent the AAA gaming landscape because both sold relatively poorly and you basically listed every non-Nintendo or indie platformer.

Also as someone else said, an IP is just a coat of paint. Zelda's constantly changing in art style and design principles, as many people who played Skyward Sword will tell you. Plus this isn't about one company making a series of similar games, it's many companies making similar games. So I don't know why people think listing the amount of Nintendo games in a given franchise is a counterpoint.

There's a lot more platformers than that. And there's no more differences between two Mario platformers than there is between two shooters between different devs. It's fairly bizarre to see people list a new powerup in Mario or a new weapon in Zelda as some sort of game changing stuff.

 

[liquidtmd]

While your point about Metroid is valid, Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 is also one of the best reviewed titles in the entire history of the industry. Shouldn't that teach you a point about your second point about the quality of the reviews in the history of the industry?

If you ignore the ignorant 'huh huh Callodoody' mentality that is getting suprisingly close to 'lol Nintendo' these days, CODMW2 is actually a great game on its own merits. MW1 is more influential for the Console genre and fun for me personally, but hey. Your original god-awful point was that Miyamoto had done nothing innovative in 25 years. Do you remember any reviews proclaiming MW2 was innovative at the time or in retrospect reviews? Trying to twist this point against the impact of Zelda OOT is just plain facetious

 

[MoogleWizard]

I know this answer most people wil just ignore, but...

you have to maintain revenue. you have to have a 'cash cow' to keep the lights on. If you do not maintain some level of dependable quarterly revenue, investors get spooked.

Mario is such a 'revered' character that he gets a lot of scrutiny... but truth be told, it's just another yearly franchise for nintendo. they need to release a big mario game every year. it keeps them from laying off a lot of people.

that said, there is still a ton of innovation with that character.
and they will continue to do 'tentpole' releases every few years with mario. but for the most part, they gotta do it annual because it brings in the money to keep them afloat.

and allows them to take risks in other genres.

and c'mon, you know this is Miyamoto talking.
He doens't see the skin of a game, he seems the mechanics behind it. so even if mario is in 5 games, to his mind anyway, those are 5 uniquely designed and different experiences.

to him, 5 shooters - even though we see different worlds and set pieces and features - he just sees the core mechanics of shooting enemies with projectiles from a first person view. his creative perspective just sees the same tenets.

So much truth in this post. And expectedly, it gets ignored and people keep acting like NSMB is all that Nintendo releases.

 

[Phocks]

Mario games! Much variety, Such innovation, different art, oh my!

The point is different developers making games that are too similar with about as much originality as the meme you used in your post. With the variety of Mario games that fill out different types of game play, pointing out NSMB is a moot point.

 

[Vlade]

No they don't. You enjoy Nintendo games, that's why you can't see, or really don't care about their lack of originality and supposedly can see it for an "entire gen of first person shooters"

There is nothing more creative or original in 3D World than there is in Titanfall, Wolfenstein or especially Bulletstorm, which btw took a much more daring and original take on the its own genre than Mario Kart 8 did.

So you aren't seeing that Miyamoto was not attacking your precious fps genre, but was commenting on the industry as a whole, Nintendo included, when you decided to select 3 games made by different companies that are same-y and evidenced them against a series of games that are a series to show him how wrong he is?

I don't even know how to discuss this, you are looking at the same things I am and drew the complete opposite conclusion.

 

[Mory Dunz]

This is the best and worst thread on gaf currently.