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[SneakyStephan]

They should sell playstation and and double down on their smartphone division.
Afterall pachter said consoles are about to go the way of the dodo and everyone knows mobile is the future.

(lol)

 

[norinrad]

I would probably skip the Moto X or the Nexus 6 if Sony could guarantee that i will get every android update on time. One of the reasons why i love my Moto G so much is the guaranteed updates. Sony can't even pull something as simple as that off. They instead offer shitty self made apps that they think everyone would enjoy.

When they brought in the first foreign CEO, the guy was doing pretty good with the restructuring but they didn't even give him the chance to finish and was let go.

My advise to them is to cut down on their workforce or go the Toyota way by motivating their workforce to come up with stuff people would actually enjoy and look forward to. Worked for Toyota. Just because it has Sony on it doesn't mean people are going to run and buy it in droves. It doesn't work like that anymore. Might have worked back in 1987 when Samsung was seen as a third world company.

 

[darkhunger]

Disney would have to pay more simply because both Sony and Disney know that the rights are worth more to Marvel Studios than they are to Sony. Disney would have Spider-Man films clearing a billion worldwide in no time.

That doesn't make sense at all. Disney can create billion dollar franchises with their existing properties (or previously worthless properties like Guardians of the Galaxy) with minimal money invested right now.

Spider-Man would add to Disney's portfolio. But you need to think about the fact that they can just take that premium they would have to pay to get Spidey back and the marketing expense for getting it to being a $billion franchise, and instead just keep investing it in their existing properties, and pocket the gigantic ROI from that instead.

Makes zero sense for Sony to be selling Columbia Picture's biggest franchise also. Aside from the Bond franchise (co-owned with MGM), Columbia Pictures would have zero reason to exist beyond that. Sony might as well sell the entire division to Disney instead.

 

[davepoobond]

Disney still has to be mindful of budgets. If they got Spider-Man, they would be REMOVING something else from their line-up to make Spider-Man.

We shouldn't really want that to happen that much, it would only condense the projects coming out

 

[Saucycarpdog]

I don think Disney cares that much about owning the rights to make Spider-Man movies. Disney still owns the rights to the comics and merchandising (which is where the real profit margins from that IP come from). If the movies do good then it can only mean more toy sales for Disney. If the movies do bad then the price to buy the movie rights just went down. Seems like Disney is the smart one in this situation.

 

[freddy]

Sony to Cut 15 Percent of Mobile Unit Staff This Fiscal Year: CEO

http://gadgets.ndtv.com/mobiles/new...mobile-unit-staff-this-fiscal-year-ceo-593421

"This is the first time we've not paid a dividend and we feel that responsibility as management very heavily," Hirai told a news conference, adding that Sony would aim to start paying dividends again as soon as possible.

This is interesting.

 

[Calamari41]

I don think Disney cares that much about owning the rights to make Spider-Man movies. Disney still owns the rights to the comics and merchandising (which is where the real profit margins from that IP come from). If the movies do good then it can only mean more toy sales for Disney. If the movies do bad then the price to buy the movie rights just went down. Seems like Disney is the smart one in this situation.

And given the declining ticket sales for Spider-Man movies, it would seem that selling sooner than later would be prudent for Sony. But this is a topic that can only be answered by the guys who have access to the (real) books at both studios.

I'm not saying that they need to offer up the rights. I'm just saying it would be prudent for them to look at it and make some calculations.

That doesn't make sense at all. Disney can create billion dollar franchises with their existing properties (or previously worthless properties like Guardians of the Galaxy) with minimal money invested right now.

Spider-Man would add to Disney's portfolio. But you need to think about the fact that they can just take that premium they would have to pay to get Spidey back and the marketing expense for getting it to being a $billion franchise, and instead just keep investing it in their existing properties, and pocket the gigantic ROI from that instead.

Makes zero sense for Sony to be selling Columbia Picture's biggest franchise also. Aside from the Bond franchise (co-owned with MGM), Columbia Pictures would have zero reason to exist beyond that. Sony might as well sell the entire division to Disney instead.

The only billion dollar franchises they've made have been Iron Man and Avengers, so far. Spidey would slide right into those numbers without the kind of effort you're talking about.

Disney still has to be mindful of budgets. If they got Spider-Man, they would be REMOVING something else from their line-up to make Spider-Man.

We shouldn't really want that to happen that much, it would only condense the projects coming out

I could easily see Disney willing to release an extra movie every couple of years as long as it were profitable. They started out releasing one per year, and now we'll be at 3 per year soon. There is enough money out there, so why not have it all coming to your company? I don't think that having a Spider-Man movie come out every 3 years or whatever would slow down the rest of their releases. Marvel Studios isn't a glorified indie anymore.

 

[1st Course]

The article from Reuters site (more detailed)

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/09/17/uk-sony-outlook-idUKKBN0HC0HC20140917

Hirai said mobile would remain one of the three core divisions of its electronics business, even though its shrinking footprint and ballooning losses now threaten the prospects of that flagship business scoring a profit this year.

"I will be at the centre of making sure that restructuring will be completed this year and that we will turn a profit in the next financial year. A recovery is my responsibility," said Hirai. "This is the first time we've not paid a dividend and we feel that responsibility as management very heavily."

Sony had fallen behind in the rapidly expanding smartphone market, lagging rivals such as Apple, Samsung and Chinese upstarts such as Xiaomi, due to its lack of relationships with carriers in the crucial U.S. and Chinese markets.

"For now, rather than chasing market share or unit sales we will identify the market risks and emphasise profitability," Hirai said, adding that Sony would focus on regions with stronger prospects.

Hirai also said Sony will cut around 1,000 of the 7,100 staff in its mobile unit during the current business year. The cost of reducing headcount will be outlined when Sony announces its results for the July to September quarter at the end of October.

 

[whatever77]

I have used 3 phones with the same Snapdragon 600 chip so far: Xperia Z, Optimus G Pro,Galaxy S4. The Xperia is noticeably hotter and use battery faster than the LG, the Samsung is equally as cool as the LG but run slightly faster and handle multi tasking better.

IMO Sony has very low power effecient phones with lousy firmware. Please don't tell me the newest whatever is better. I have used the Xperia Play and the Z, I have given Sony plenty of chances. They are just not good.

As far as the huge loss, this probably has something to do with Abe's low yen export oriented policy. It's probably not entirely Sony's fault. But they are going down regardless.

 

[Mononoke]

Correction: when you say Amazon's revenue isn't in the billions, you mean profit/net income, I believe.

Again, I appreciate you taking the time to educate me on this (and this goes for everyone else that also explained things). I've always been curious about this. So I'm grateful that you guys took the time to put it into proper context/perspective for me.

 

[Aquamarine]

The clock is ticking, Mr. Hirai.

You've accrued an impairment charge on your goodwill and your forecast is bleak, but that's in the past. What matters is whether or not you can continue to execute your turnaround.

If we continue to see more losses in 2015 and 2016, people will continue to lose faith in the company.

 

[GCX]

Mobile phone business is a really tough and competitive field with Samsung and Apple dominating and Chinese manufacturers emerging. There are very few winners and a lot of losers.

Sony has nice products out there but they need more than that to crack the mainstream phone market and turn profit.

 

[darkhunger]

The only billion dollar franchises they've made have been Iron Man and Avengers, so far. Spidey would slide right into those numbers without the kind of effort you're talking about.

You're talking about billion dollar per film movie franchises. I'm talking about cumulative, which I believe is more relevant in this argument. What other studio can generate the type of returns they get with each *new* franchise that they create from what are basically worthless comic book properties? THAT'S what I'm referring to. Why pay a premium on Spider-Man when they can create multiple new high ROI franchises with that money?

 

[LJ11]

I would probably skip the Moto X or the Nexus 6 if Sony could guarantee that i will get every android update on time. One of the reasons why i love my Moto G so much is the guaranteed updates. Sony can't even pull something as simple as that off. They instead offer shitty self made apps that they think everyone would enjoy.

When they brought in the first foreign CEO, the guy was doing pretty good with the restructuring but they didn't even give him the chance to finish and was let go.

My advise to them is to cut down on their workforce or go the Toyota way by motivating their workforce to come up with stuff people would actually enjoy and look forward to. Worked for Toyota. Just because it has Sony on it doesn't mean people are going to run and buy it in droves. It doesn't work like that anymore. Might have worked back in 1987 when Samsung was seen as a third world company.

Stringer? He didn't do much.

It's a giant ship, entrenched management, corp culture that refuses to drop unprofitable units, huge overhead, and they're late to the game continuously. When they are first, ebook market, they fail to execute. Camera division makes great products, but it's in a segment that's going to serve a smaller and smaller market (yes, I know they make sensors which is a plus).

Just hard to right this ship, especially with such fierce competition.

 

[freddy]

The article from Reuters site (more detailed)

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/09/17/uk-sony-outlook-idUKKBN0HC0HC20140917

Article here cites lacks of deals with carriers as the major reason Sony hasn't been able to compete. Having just bought a contracted phone for my mother, I don't recall Sony being one of the choices once we decided on one of the major carriers here.

 

[Cow Mengde]

I have used 3 phones with the same Snapdragon 600 chip so far: Xperia Z, Optimus G Pro,Galaxy S4. The Xperia is noticeably hotter and use battery faster than the LG, the Samsung is equally as cool as the LG but run slightly faster and handle multi tasking better.

IMO Sony has very low power effecient phones with lousy firmware. Please don't tell me the newest whatever is better. I have used the Xperia Play and the Z, I have given Sony plenty of chances. They are just not good.

Sony Xperia owner here. Worst piece of shit I've ever used. I only got it cause I was looking for something cheap and it was on sale. The fucking thing freezes all the time, gets hot within 10 minutes of use. I also have to custom install new versions of Android because... because... I don't know, because it's a Sony phone and they don't provide me with android updates.

 

[Calamari41]

You're talking about billion dollar per film movie franchises. I'm talking about cumulative, which I believe is more relevant in this argument. What other studio can generate the type of returns they get with each *new* franchise that they create from what are basically worthless comic book properties? THAT'S what I'm referring to. Why spend so much on Spider-Man when they can create multiple new high ROI franchises with that money?

Hey I'm with you, as I said this can only truly be answered by the guys with access to the real books at the studios. My point, and answer to your question I guess, is that Spider-Man could slide right into their lineup and become one of their biggest film franchises almost immediately. Marvel Studios definitely will continue to be more than fine without the rights. But they would still be valuable to have for the right price. My point isn't so much that Disney should do whatever it takes to get the rights back, but that given the much lower profits on new Sony Spider-Man films, they (Sony) may want to make the aforementioned calculations and decide whether they want to keep trying to make it a worthwhile franchise or just sell it for a good price.

A well done Marvel Studios Spider-Man film series would be very likely to make Iron Man money for them right off the bat. That's nothing to scoff at. And if Sony is really only seeing about $100 million in profit from a Spider-Man film once every 2-3 years, how can that be worth turning down a big "I don't give a fuck" Disney payday?

 

[Crisco]

Sounds like they are making smart decisions finally though. Downsizing their TV business to focus on the high end, dropping PC to focus on mobile, and putting a huge effort towards connected services. The bottom line is the company is too big, they should have less than 100,000 employees at this point, more like an Apple than a Samsung. Focus on the high end and being first to market with new technologies.

 

[reKon]

I have used 3 phones with the same Snapdragon 600 chip so far: Xperia Z, Optimus G Pro,Galaxy S4. The Xperia is noticeably hotter and use battery faster than the LG, the Samsung is equally as cool as the LG but run slightly faster and handle multi tasking better.

IMO Sony has very low power effecient phones with lousy firmware. Please don't tell me the newest whatever is better. I have used the Xperia Play and the Z, I have given Sony plenty of chances. They are just not good.

As far as the huge loss, this probably has something to do with Abe's low yen export oriented policy. It's probably not entirely Sony's fault. But they are going down regardless.

So you use old devices from a few years back and they were poor, so now you refuse to believe that Sony is capable of making significant improvements?

You are completely out of loop right now so I'll fill you in. The flagship Xperia phones are currently the most power efficient Android devices and offer the best battery life.

The Xperia Play was a mistake and the Z was their first high end phone made to actually compete. Since then, the Xperia Z1s, Xperia Z2, Xperia Z1 Compact, were all very good phones. The Xperia Z3 and the Z3 Compact seem like their going to be great too based off of initial impressions and some early reviews.

I think though, what's clear here is that Sony has so many mid-range phones and they will not support it. You need to look towards the flagships if you want a great phone from them. They need cut down on their phones and become more focused in their mobile offerings.

 

[Exile20]

Sounds like they are making smart decisions finally though. Downsizing their TV business to focus on the high end, dropping PC to focus on mobile, and putting a huge effort towards connected services. The bottom line is the company is too big, they should have less than 100,000 employees at this point, more like an Apple than a Samsung. Focus on the high end and being first to market with new technologies.

But mobile is failing for them. That industry is so competitive.

 

[Opiate]

Sounds like they are making smart decisions finally though. Downsizing their TV business to focus on the high end, dropping PC to focus on mobile, and putting a huge effort towards connected services. The bottom line is the company is too big, they should have less than 100,000 employees at this point, more like an Apple than a Samsung. Focus on the high end and being first to market with new technologies.

They're actually cutting their mobile division.

http://www.zdnet.com/sonys-mobile-u...ens-loss-cuts-15-percent-of-staff-7000033783/

And I agree, they need to keep cutting, but it isn't as if they haven't already done that. They were at ~180k employees as recently as 2008; they're now at ~140k. Cutting fourty thousand jobs in a 5 year span is quite significant. They're trying, but the problem is that they're getting cut off in so many sectors at once. Once profitable markets like TV, Music/electronics, mobile phones, and gaming used to be very profitable, but have all stagnated or collapsed due to competition.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

Article here cites lacks of deals with carriers as the major reason Sony hasn't been able to compete. Having just bought a contracted phone for my mother, I don't recall Sony being one of the choices once we decided on one of the major carriers here.

They are finally fixing this with the Z3 in the U.S.

AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile will have it, I believe, and it won't be half a year late compared to Europe.

 

[hipbabboom]

I think a lot of people believe the gaming division is doing extremely well when it's not. It's doing fine, mind you, but the market PS4 has placed itself in is very low margin and thus the gaming division hasn't made a profit since the PS4 launched. Again, this doesn't mean the gaming division is a huge failure, it just means it isn't this smashing success in a sea of failures. If you want that division inside Sony, you're looking for their financial divisions. Their life insurance division is what's keeping the business afloat.

As another note, according to this article, Sony is writing down the value of its mobile unit by approximately 1.68 Billion dollars. That still leaves a net loss of 470 Million dollars expected in cash flow. By writing down the value of its mobile division, Sony is essentially admitting that they've lost the mobile war and have been pushed out of that market as a major player. Thus, the value of its mobile arm goes from "this is a major player in a fast growing market' down to the value of "this is a small-to-mid level player in a fast growing market."

Well... These are like just your opinions. I think I make some valid points too and while people may mock me in this thread, I like to believe that there's a silver lining. Like Kaz said, this is a marathon nd not a sprint. Sony is going to make a comeback. They've always been a company that's not afraid of trying. You could reward such effort by being a little bit more Optimistic in your observations rather than saying such hurtful things

You're still one of my favorite mods but your posts in this thread make me feel genuinely terrible.
[RANT]a
I'm man enough to admit I love this company and want to see them succeed. People want to make it out to be something bad because I'm not being negative enough. I think others have the negativity market covered. [END RANT]

 

[reKon]

They are finally fixing this with the Z3 in the U.S.

AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile will have it, I believe, and it won't be half a year late compared to Europe.

I wonder why they won't push the Compact as well. I wonder if most manufacturers by default assume that the bigger screen than the iPhone is plus so that's what they push and put all their work into. The Z3 Compact is smaller than the iPhone 6 and I really do think that Sony is a missing an opportunity here because there are actually legitimate stand out features that would easy to market...

 

[freddy]

Well... These are like just your opinions. I think I make some valid points too and while people may mock me in this thread, I like to believe that there's a silver lining. Like Kaz said, this is a marathon [RANT]and not a sprint. Sony is going to make a comeback. They've always been a company that's not afraid of trying. You could reward such effort by being a little bit more Optimistic in your observations rather than saying such hurtful things

You're still one of my favorite mods but your posts in this thread make me feel genuinely terrible.

I'm man enough to admit I love this company and want to see them succeed. People want to make it out to be something bad because I'm not being negative enough. I think others have the negativity market covered. [END RANT]

Unless this is some kind of schtick you really need to look at why you have an emotional attachment to a corporate entity beyond enjoying the products they put out. Feeling hurt about criticism of an entity that you have no stake in isn't healthy.

 

[PSYGN]

I'd at least like to imagine that Marvel gives them a bi-weekly phone call asking for Spiderman to come home.

Lol. "Spidey, come home! Pls"

 

[sometimes i game]

Sony Xperia owner here. Worst piece of shit I've ever used. I only got it cause I was looking for something cheap and it was on sale. The fucking thing freezes all the time, gets hot within 10 minutes of use. I also have to custom install new versions of Android because... because... I don't know, because it's a Sony phone and they don't provide me with android updates.

This is my friends experience with whatever the last Xperia was for Tmobile.

 

[Calamari41]

Well... These are like just your opinions. I think I make some valid points too and while people may mock me in this thread, I like to believe that there's a silver lining. Like Kaz said, this is a marathon [RANT]and not a sprint. Sony is going to make a comeback. They've always been a company that's not afraid of trying. You could reward such effort by being a little bit more Optimistic in your observations rather than saying such hurtful things

You're still one of my favorite mods but your posts in this thread make me feel genuinely terrible.

I'm man enough to admit I love this company and want to see them succeed. People want to make it out to be something bad because I'm not being negative enough. I think others have the negativity market covered. [END RANT]

Sometimes reality is negative.

I am a huge Nintendo fan but I am under no illusions as to how fucked they are just because they make my favorite games.

Embracing the reality of the situation allows you to recognize what is going awry and make attempts at correcting it.

 

[slit]

Well... These are like just your opinions. I think I make some valid points too and while people may mock me in this thread, I like to believe that there's a silver lining. Like Kaz said, this is a marathon [RANT]and not a sprint. Sony is going to make a comeback. They've always been a company that's not afraid of trying. You could reward such effort by being a little bit more Optimistic in your observations rather than saying such hurtful things

You're still one of my favorite mods but your posts in this thread make me feel genuinely terrible.

I'm man enough to admit I love this company and want to see them succeed. People want to make it out to be something bad because I'm not being negative enough. I think others have the negativity market covered. [END RANT]

Unless you actually work for the company, that doesn't sound emotionally healthy.


Unless this is trolling, you should call a national hotline or something.

 

[Busty]

Well... These are like just your opinions. I think I make some valid points too and while people may mock me in this thread, I like to believe that there's a silver lining. Like Kaz said, this is a marathon [RANT]and not a sprint. Sony is going to make a comeback. They've always been a company that's not afraid of trying. You could reward such effort by being a little bit more Optimistic in your observations rather than saying such hurtful things

You're still one of my favorite mods but your posts in this thread make me feel genuinely terrible.

I'm man enough to admit I love this company and want to see them succeed. People want to make it out to be something bad because I'm not being negative enough. I think others have the negativity market covered. [END RANT]

You might just be everything that is wrong with this modern 'corporate brand fanboy' generation. The fact that criticism of a major international corporation actually upsets you genuinely causes me to worry.

I enjoy Sony products a great deal (phone, Playstation 3 & Vita) but my 'allegiance' to them ends after I buy the product. Where is this loyalty coming from?

Sony doesn't give a fuck about me or you. None.

 

[Aquamarine]

Well... These are like just your opinions. I think I make some valid points too and while people may mock me in this thread, I like to believe that there's a silver lining. Like Kaz said, this is a marathon [RANT]and not a sprint. Sony is going to make a comeback. They've always been a company that's not afraid of trying. You could reward such effort by being a little bit more Optimistic in your observations rather than saying such hurtful things

You're still one of my favorite mods but your posts in this thread make me feel genuinely terrible.

I'm man enough to admit I love this company and want to see them succeed. People want to make it out to be something bad because I'm not being negative enough. I think others have the negativity market covered. [END RANT]

There's definitely an argument where the impairment charge doesn't affect the overall turnaround thesis.

Many were expecting the impairment charge this year because Sony's Mobile Communications segment wasn't reflecting fair value. Now that the charge is out of the way, Sony can start the next fiscal year fresh.

At least, that's the logic.

But why have this personal attachment to the company? Nothing he said should be "hurtful."

 

[DoktorEvil]

Precisely! There isn't a problem. This is some fanboy gloom and doom bullshit! Plain and simple. Sony has been losing billions for years now and they're still going. They release good products with descent to god-tier quality and they have the #1 console in the world. Driveclub is coming out and they have Bloodbourn. Destany which launches on PS4 as the premier console has sold nearly a $1billion. I can go on about the new IPs and indie games that lead on their platform. No man's sky, and they also have steam on the PS3. Its the most extensive ecosystem for games and they're not spending their money to buy exclusives. As you stated, they make excellent phones and tablets too. People knock them because they're coming out of a terrible mess made by someone who doesn't understand how a Japanese company works. Kaz is fixing things and we just need to give Sony more time. Let Engadget write their ketchup article. What does a fail blog know about a thriving business. Remember the PS3? Now look at the PS4 -- yeah, exactly! Movies, TV, computers, portables.... never count out the comeback kid <3

What does this even mean?!! Sony's phones are universally praised. If there was a metacritic for phones, Sony would totally get a quality bonus.

Kaz has been fixing the problems caused by Stringer. Why would you get rid of the guy who is effectively healing the company?

You're losing your shit over a reduction of Sony's mobile division, which from the article, sounds like a write down of a loss. This will most likely not affect Playstation...

Back on topic, I can't recall any big advertising pushes for those Sony Z phones in the US, at the very least TV ads.

Well... These are like just your opinions. I think I make some valid points too and while people may mock me in this thread, I like to believe that there's a silver lining. Like Kaz said, this is a marathon nd not a sprint. Sony is going to make a comeback. They've always been a company that's not afraid of trying. You could reward such effort by being a little bit more Optimistic in your observations rather than saying such hurtful things

You're still one of my favorite mods but your posts in this thread make me feel genuinely terrible.
[RANT]a
I'm man enough to admit I love this company and want to see them succeed. People want to make it out to be something bad because I'm not being negative enough. I think others have the negativity market covered. [END RANT]

Well goddamn, I've never loved any company this hard.

 

[Exile20]

Well... These are like just your opinions. I think I make some valid points too and while people may mock me in this thread, I like to believe that there's a silver lining. Like Kaz said, this is a marathon nd not a sprint. Sony is going to make a comeback. They've always been a company that's not afraid of trying. You could reward such effort by being a little bit more Optimistic in your observations rather than saying such hurtful things

You're still one of my favorite mods but your posts in this thread make me feel genuinely terrible.
[RANT]a
I'm man enough to admit I love this company and want to see them succeed. People want to make it out to be something bad because I'm not being negative enough. I think others have the negativity market covered. [END RANT]

I like the games Nintendo put out and so I don't want to see them die but you are on another level of love for a company. Wow man. It is a corporation plain and simple. Using the words love is just too much and not healthy.

You sound depressed as hell. Damn...

 

[hipbabboom]

I'm not depressed. I'm fine. I didn't intend on derailing the topic; I just wasn't prepared for Opiate's post. I'll deal. Let's just move on please.

 

[lastflowers]

Welcome back the party sony. Mobile losses are our cup of tea!

 

[freddy]

I'm not depressed. I'm fine. I didn't intend on derailing the topic; I just wasn't prepared for Opiate's post. I'll deal. Let's just move on please.

 

[Heroman]

Well... These are like just your opinions. I think I make some valid points too and while people may mock me in this thread, I like to believe that there's a silver lining. Like Kaz said, this is a marathon nd not a sprint. Sony is going to make a comeback. They've always been a company that's not afraid of trying. You could reward such effort by being a little bit more Optimistic in your observations rather than saying such hurtful things

You're still one of my favorite mods but your posts in this thread make me feel genuinely terrible.
[RANT]a
I'm man enough to admit I love this company and want to see them succeed. People want to make it out to be something bad because I'm not being negative enough. I think others have the negativity market covered. [END RANT]

But they wont make a comeback.

 

[slit]

I'm not depressed. I'm fine. I didn't intend on derailing the topic; I just wasn't prepared for Opiate's post. I'll deal. Let's just move on please.

No,we have to get this out in the open to help you. So how much do you love Sony? Like if they went out of business would you consider harming yourself? I'm not being sarcastic BTW, i'm serious.

 

[Aquamarine]

I'm not depressed. I'm fine. I didn't intend on derailing the topic; I just wasn't prepared for Opiate's post. I'll deal. Let's just move on please.

Everything Opiate said was true, though.

Gaming is very low margin, the impairment charge represents Sony conceding dominance in the market...and Sony is kept alive by their extraordinarily reliable Insurance segment.

I'm surprised that, for someone who loves Sony so much, you don't keep a close eye on their financials.

 

[Sectorseven]

Well... These are like just your opinions. I think I make some valid points too and while people may mock me in this thread, I like to believe that there's a silver lining. Like Kaz said, this is a marathon nd not a sprint. Sony is going to make a comeback. They've always been a company that's not afraid of trying. You could reward such effort by being a little bit more Optimistic in your observations rather than saying such hurtful things

You're still one of my favorite mods but your posts in this thread make me feel genuinely terrible.
[RANT]a
I'm man enough to admit I love this company and want to see them succeed. People want to make it out to be something bad because I'm not being negative enough. I think others have the negativity market covered. [END RANT]

Do you own their stock?

 

[Cow Mengde]

This is my friends experience with whatever the last Xperia was for Tmobile.

Oh, I forgot to mention, the microphone on it died almost exactly when the warranty on the phone ran out. My family have had plenty of experience with Sony products dying, so we avoid the brand when we can. I find it especially weird that people think Sony TVs' are good when Sharp makes the best screens. Yes, we had a Sony TV die on us. Bought it cheap after our old Sharp last 15+ years.

 

[Exile20]

No,we have to get this out in the open to help you. So how much do you love Sony? Like if they went out of business would you consider harming yourself? I'm not being sarcastic BTW, i'm serious.

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[reKon]

Oh, I forgot to mention, the microphone on it died almost exactly when the warranty on the phone ran out. My family have had plenty of experience with Sony products dying, so we avoid the brand when we can. I find it especially weird that people think Sony TVs' are good when Sharp makes the best screens. Yes, we had a Sony TV die on us. Bought it cheap after our old Sharp last 15+ years.

1) Panasonic makes the screens
2) Sony's high end lines of products are usually high quality and last, but tend to be over priced.

 

[Lubricus]

As far their TV business:
A PR release from 02/14:

Going forward, Sony will continue to shift its product mix and focus on increasing the proportion of sales from high-end models in fiscal 2014. Sony plans to reinforce the company's leading position in the 4K market by strengthening its product lineup while also bolstering its 2K models with wide color range and image-enhancing technologies. In emerging markets, Sony will aim to harness market expansion by developing and launching models tailored to specific local needs.

Sony will also accelerate and broaden its on-going cost reduction and operational improvement measures, focusing attention across all functions relevant to the TV business, including manufacturing, sales, and headquarters/indirect functions (as outlined below).

In addition, to help transform this business into a more efficient and dynamic organization, optimized in size and structure for the current competitive business environment and fully accountable for its operations, Sony has decided to split out the TV business and operate it as a wholly-owned subsidiary. The targeted timeframe for this transition is July 2014.

By implementing these measures, Sony is aiming to further enhance its TV business' profit structure and return the business to profitability during the fiscal 2014

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/display/20140206231051_Sony_to_Spin_Off_TV_Business_Set_to_Concentrate_on_High_End_Models.html

I hope they push the 4K market, then I'll buy a Panasonic or Samsung. Probably cheaper than the Sony.

 

[gamechanger87]

Everything Opiate said was true, though.

Gaming is very low margin, the impairment charge represents Sony conceding dominance in the market....and Sony is kept alive by their extraordinarily reliable Insurance segment.

I'm surprised that, for someone who loves Sony so much, you don't keep a close eye on their financials.

Without insurance Sony would have died years ago. The cancellation of the dividend is really the scary thing here and not the loss. Cash squeeze incoming.

The biggest issue for Sony right now is they have a bunch of underperforming segments and are getting destroyed by the weak Yen. The weak Yen is driving up materials costs that can't be passed along. The BoJ is pushing for a weak Yen which stabilized its stock market to the detriment of the domestic economy.

The PS4 can't save Sony. It is not the captain driving Sony's ship.

 

[Exile20]

Without insurance Sony would have died years ago. The cancellation of the dividend is really the scary thing here and not the loss. Cash squeeze incoming.

The biggest issue for Sony right now is they have a bunch of underperforming segments and are getting destroyed by the weak Yen. The weak Yen is driving up materials costs that can't be passed along. The BoJ is pushing for a weak Yen which stabilized its stock market to the detriment of the domestic economy.

The PS4 can't save Sony. It is not the captain driving Sony's ship.

Profits are probably very slim for the PS4.

 

[whatever77]

So you use old devices from a few years back and they were poor, so now you refuse to believe that Sony is capable of making significant improvements?

You are completely out of loop right now so I'll fill you in. The flagship Xperia phones are currently the most power efficient Android devices and offer the best battery life.

The Xperia Play was a mistake and the Z was their first high end phone made to actually compete. Since then, the Xperia Z1s, Xperia Z2, Xperia Z1 Compact, were all very good phones. The Xperia Z3 and the Z3 Compact seem like their going to be great too based off of initial impressions and some early reviews.

I think though, what's clear here is that Sony has so many mid-range phones and they will not support it. You need to look towards the flagships if you want a great phone from them. They need cut down on their phones and become more focused in their mobile offerings.

Why would I bother? And why should the rest of the consumer world bother? I have never had similar problems from the competing brands. The stake is very high. If you can't bring your A game to play, don't waste my time. I don't even have problem with LG phones and I still switched. Why? becasue Samsung offer similar hardware with much more ROM options. Why should I go for the lesser phone.

I will get a new Oppo, Xiaomi phone way before I get another Sony phone. Don't flatter yourself.

 

[norinrad]

Stringer? He didn't do much.

It's a giant ship, entrenched management, corp culture that refuses to drop unprofitable units, huge overhead, and they're late to the game continuously. When they are first, ebook market, they fail to execute. Camera division makes great products, but it's in a segment that's going to serve a smaller and smaller market (yes, I know they make sensors which is a plus).

Just hard to right this ship, especially with such fierce competition.

Stringer Bell run into a lot of problems, true, Hirai should have continued with what Stringer left behind except he was mostly too busy talking crap at E3s when he should be saving a sinking ship

 

[JackLongRod]

http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/franchise/Spider-Man



I don't think that will be happening anytime soon.

When you factor in the 50% cut theaters take and production/marketing budgets Sony doesn't make very much money.

 

[Formidable]

When you factor in the 50% cut theaters take and production/marketing budgets Sony doesn't make very much money.

Basically, Marvel/Disney is sold rights to Sony to make elaborate marketing "ads" (movies) to sell merchandise that Sony doesn't get a dime of.