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Logitech responds about PS4 wheel support - Sony demands advanced security
- Thread starter DieH@rd
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So we are back to square one!
Logitech announced in may this year via Twitter (can't find the tweet right now) that they are working on firmware to support the G27 on the PS4. Later they announce it can't be done because of a security chip.
The T80 and T500 show us a security chip or immersion should not be a problem.
Sony has gone silent on this topic.
Thrustmaster does not have an exclusive deal, or we would have heard, but could it be they are keeping everything else on supposed support silent till the laat moment, like before the release of project cars?
Also SMS as the makers of DC are under contract with Thrustmaster.
Also I can not grasp the concept of only one brand being supported on PS4.
FTFY, as the T80 has no force feedback and is the first wheel announced to be compatible with the PS4.
(The T100 is an older PS3/PC wheel)
In case you mean 'also using Immersion technologies', that's the T100.
In case you mean 'feature wise', I'd say it's the T300.
Not true. Look a couple pages back for my post about thier parent company's public financial report. They have a deal with Sony. Fanatec is likely waiting for it to expire.
Thank you
Yes, they have a deal with Sony for producing a cheapo DriveClub branded wheel, the T80.
There's nothing more to read form this "Thrustmasters exclusive positioning" sentence, IMO.
Fanatec, on the other hand, seem to have always been depending on Logitech to provide them their SDK.
Which would mean they had a deal with Logitech at a time, but are left on their own now.
metareferential
Member
shesh I don't remember the DFGT being as expensive as the T300
soundscream
Member
Oh wow that's a game changer. An affordable FFB wheel is great news.
T-100 for 82€ (with many bad reviews)
or T-300 for 373€ (with nor reviews, because who spends so much on a wheel? >_>)
Why is there no middle ground? Why does Logitech not release a PS4 wheel? Why, why, why?
Might as well not get any wheel or any racing game if the situation doesn't change. What a bummer and misstep of all parties involved.
Anyone twittered Shu yet?
or T-300 for 373€ (with nor reviews, because who spends so much on a wheel? >_>)
Why is there no middle ground? Why does Logitech not release a PS4 wheel? Why, why, why?
Might as well not get any wheel or any racing game if the situation doesn't change. What a bummer and misstep of all parties involved.
Anyone twittered Shu yet?
Well, the G25 and G27 were 300 at launch and the T300 is 350.
So yeah, it's more expensive considering the Thrustmaster wheel doesn't come with a H-shifter.
On the other hand, the force feedback on the T300-RS - if it's actually equivalent to the one in the T500-RS, as some people have said - is much better (stronger and quieter) than the one in the DFGTs.
Logitech already left the console gaming peripheral business a long time ago
Not like you could easily design a new PC wheel that also runs on consoles....
Here is a petition to loosen the security BS for Logitech and Fanatec-Wheels:
http://www.change.org/p/sony-add-logitech-and-fanatec-wheel-support-to-ps4
And the T300 and Gran Turismo branding on the T500... so yeah... they likely do have a deal.
Fanatec likely has a PS rim ready to go but my guess is they are waiting for TM's exclusivity deal with Sony to expire.
soundscream
Member
If thrustmaster paid for an exclusivity deal they choose the worse time to do it. I could see if there was a GT on the horizon, but PCars and DC wont move wheels like a GT would.
Thrustmaster having exclusive deals with Sony to produce (current) official wheels for GT (back from 2011) and DC doesn't mean they have an exclusivity deal on the PS4.
You're just jumping to conclusions.
And in case you haven't noticed, Fanatec hasn't released a single wheel on the XB1, yet.
They haven't even confirmed that one would come out, they're just teasing some possibility for console wheels, and people do believe - if the previous gen console is something to take lessons from - that they would release it on the XB1 first.
soundscream
Member
This http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=131951870&postcount=489
in combination with the latest picture on https://www.facebook.com/Fanatec
seems to confirm its coming out
The green A shit, you mean?
That's the original quote:
Where do you see MS and Sony?
The fact negotiations are still ongoing doesn't mean there's an exclusive deal preventing them to release now.
Felix Lighter
Member
I'm seething.
soundscream
Member
Who said there was?
You said
And I quoted a post saying that they have completed negotiations with MS. I never said that they had an exclusive deal.
And I quoted you the original sentence to show that '(MS)' and '(Sony)' are not part of them.
They have been added by paskowitz, based on rumors/hints.
Nothing's been announced or released yet, so let's wait.
But paskowitz seems to be thinking they do, and I was replying to him initially.
immortal-joe
Member
Question: is the gear shift add-on from Thrustmaster compatible with all their wheels?
Edit: nevermind spotted it on the website
"On PC: works with all racing wheels on the market
On PS3™ and PS4™: works with the T500RS, Ferrari F1 Wheel Integral T500, T300RS and T300 Ferrari GTE racing wheels
On Xbox One: works with the TX Racing Wheel"
So I don't need to jump all the way to the T500RS to use it.
Edit: nevermind spotted it on the website
"On PC: works with all racing wheels on the market
On PS3™ and PS4™: works with the T500RS, Ferrari F1 Wheel Integral T500, T300RS and T300 Ferrari GTE racing wheels
On Xbox One: works with the TX Racing Wheel"
So I don't need to jump all the way to the T500RS to use it.
soundscream
Member
I don't speak German so I was going off what was translated.
soundscream
Member
It will only directly plug into the TX & T300 but on pc it doesn't matter sine it comes with a USB adapter.
immortal-joe
Member
Is the T300 RS the successor to the T500 RS? I ask since they're priced the same and the latter is no longer on Thrustmaster's website.
And so does mine: you just can't say there's an exclusive deal ongoing on the PS4 with Thrustmaster that's preventing wheel makers to offer their products on this platform.
There's absolutely no evidence for that.
BeamImpact
Member
actually logitech or any other company wouldnt need to licence on the security chip from sony, all they could do is just have an original DS4 connected to the overall device to use it for authentication with the DS4 inbuilt security chip
other companies are doing it this way too, i mean all of the potential customer base already have an original DS4 at home
other companies are doing it this way too, i mean all of the potential customer base already have an original DS4 at home
serversurfer
Member
If Thrustmaster has an exclusive deal with Sony, both companies have done an incredibly poor job of positioning it as such.
For Sony's part, their only response on the subject seems to be, "Good question; why don't you ask Logitech/Fanatec?"
It's Logitech and Fanatec who seem to be unable to come up with a straight answer. Both companies have offered nothing but a variety of specious excuses.
For Sony's part, their only response on the subject seems to be, "Good question; why don't you ask Logitech/Fanatec?"
It's Logitech and Fanatec who seem to be unable to come up with a straight answer. Both companies have offered nothing but a variety of specious excuses.
soundscream
Member
T300 is cheaper and I still see the T500 on their site.
Logitech was pretty clear. Sony's new stance on 3rd party hardware means that No security chip = no wheel support. So it's up to Sony to loosen it.
Insane Metal
Gold Member
Welp I'll be getting one then. THanks.
drugstore_cowboy
Member
I'd guess the T500 will be dropped, there's little to separate them plus Thrustmaster can sell you a set of pedals too.
serversurfer
Member
Originally they said they were getting out of the console business. Then they said they were working on a firmware update for the G27. Now they say there's a chip that prevents compatibility, but there are chipless devices which are compatible.
That's not what I call "pretty clear."
More likely than not, the person running their Twitter has no real idea what the situation was/is and was posting what he/she knew at the time (which may not have been accurate).
And that's bullshit, damnit!
Neither the T500-RS nor the T100, two wheels coming from previous gen, have this chip embedded.
And still, they're supported on the PS4 by at least two games.
immortal-joe
Member
That's what it looks like to me.
I'm trying to see how much it would cost to get the t300 with the shifter. It won't be pretty : /
drugstore_cowboy
Member
I'm still looking to pick the shifter up too.
If you have no intention of playing on the Xbox the older TH8RS should still work and be picked up cheaper.
I think.
If you have no intention of playing on the Xbox the older TH8RS should still work and be picked up cheaper.
I think.
serversurfer
Member
First, I'm not sure why that would be considered an excuse
Anyway, that was exactly my point; Logitech has been unwilling or unable to produce a clear explanation. They've offered several, but none of them really make much sense.
immortal-joe
Member
Sums up my feelings about this mess of a product lineup that Thurstmaster's got. You can do as many tiers as you want, just define them clearly and stop adding accessories which are only compatible with some products.
Reasons = / = excuses.
serversurfer
Member
Okay ? =/
autoduelist
Member
Isn't the second bold exactly what you asked for in the first bold? That may be the best answer Sony has at the moment. If it's up to the devs of games, perhaps Sony has nothing more to say.
And if it's a negotiation/licensing issue, then Sony is also going to stay radio silent. If you're in the midst of negotiations, in most cases it's in everybody's best interest not to discuss the topic -- certainly putting out press releases about unresolved issues would make no sense at all.
True!
For me is clear, there is a lot of money involved in this "game" being played over our steeringwheel heads.....
And I am not liking that game, because in the end, it is going to cost me a lot of money, unless I decide to not buy a new wheel, which means I am not buying a PS4, and no PCars, etc, etc.