StudioTan
Hold on, friend! I'd love to share with you some swell news about the Windows 8 Metro UI! Wait, where are you going?
Meanwhile, in the thread about Sony not supporting EA Access Hoo-doo surprisingly has a very different view:
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LTTP Phil Spencer is a cool guy after listening to his Podcast Unlocked interview
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Meanwhile, in the thread about Sony not supporting EA Access Hoo-doo surprisingly has a very different view:
Uno Venova
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No better place to defend paying to delay games on other platforms than in a Phil Spencer tribute thread.
Ol No Bones
Banned
I'm sorry I don't agree with you. I don't find anything ethically or morally reprehensible with the tomb raider deal or any other exclusive deal for that matter. I see people talk about how awful it is but the argument ultimately becomes, "I don't have an Xbox and I want that game.". I get how that could upset people but that doesn't mean MS are doing something evil it only means they are being smart businessman and women.
Twin Tails
Member
The Phill Spencer effect is real
False equivalence.
So only uninformed people buy a game on an a less powerful device because it comes out earlier? What about those millions of people that bought GTAV that knew a PC version was on the way? Were they uninformed? Or does coming out first, especially during a holiday, have some impact on sales and mind share beyond simply people being 'uninformed'.
This deal is primarily for future Xbox owners. People on the fence that might be swayed by something like TR. However, current Xbox owners do get some benefits:
1) Xbox is clearly the lead platform. It's obvious that the PS4 is more powerful, but Microsoft will be doing everything in their power to squeeze every last drop out of the XB1. I doubt we see parity, but Destiny is proof that some amazing things can come from Microsoft throwing their money and resources at optimizing products on their platforms. Seeing how TR Definitive Edition turned out, this is an improvement for XB1 owners.
2) Microsoft will be handling the marketing for this game, which means more of the game's budget can be spent on development. Technically, this is a bonus for PS4 and XB1 owners since we are now getting a game with a higher budget.
Sometimes I wonder if some of you understand economics, at all. Obviously, people that make a lot more money than you or I don't feel it's a worthless deal. They wouldn't pay for the exclusiveness (timed or not) unless they thought it would actually bring microsoft MORE money in the end. What does this mean? This means that MORE money will actually allow msoft to spend funds as they see fit. Msoft is funding a lot of games through a lot of first parties, how many do you want?
I don't think people are defending the TR exclusive but merely saying they know why it was done. It was 100% bad and doesn't benefit the consumer but Spencer has to choose the course that leads to the greatest success for Xbox. Does that not make him a champion of 1st party funded games and new IP, of course not. You just have to take the good with the bad and don't make out these execs as white knights who must always do right, just praise and give them hell on whatever comes up.
I find it hilarious of people butthurt over the Tomb Raider deal. You're telling me if you were Phil Spencer, you wouldn't make that deal? He's doing whats best for the interests of Xbox and Xbox owners, not for PS4 or PC owners. He WANTS to take an AAA title away from those platforms to make the Xbox more appealing. I see the deal a major success from all the butthurt reactions from it mostly from non-Xbox people, clearly.
I applaud Spencer for being aggressive and making that exclusive. The TR deal was a complete shocker and no one expected it, so he is bold. I don't care if it's timed, it's likely a long one anyway, so it will have the same effect as an exclusive. If you want to play Tomb Raider? Buy an Xbox One or wait a year. He's only been in his position for 6 months, and you have to judge him for what he's done since and he's doing a good job so far. Even the Gold paywall policy reversal was because of him shifting to a new policy.
About the thread, I agree. When I heard Phil on the other podcast, I forgot where he talked about classes, I read the articles and bulletpoints, but when I heard the full interview, he sounds like a cool laidback guy. He seems much more in tune with regular people while Mattrick clearly was not a J, Allard.
I applaud Spencer for being aggressive and making that exclusive. The TR deal was a complete shocker and no one expected it, so he is bold. I don't care if it's timed, it's likely a long one anyway, so it will have the same effect as an exclusive. If you want to play Tomb Raider? Buy an Xbox One or wait a year. He's only been in his position for 6 months, and you have to judge him for what he's done since and he's doing a good job so far. Even the Gold paywall policy reversal was because of him shifting to a new policy.
About the thread, I agree. When I heard Phil on the other podcast, I forgot where he talked about classes, I read the articles and bulletpoints, but when I heard the full interview, he sounds like a cool laidback guy. He seems much more in tune with regular people while Mattrick clearly was not a J, Allard.
¡HarlequinPanic!
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laffo
How is it different to other 3rd party exclusives such as bloodbourne and the order?
That's a ridiculous way to put it.
You know for a fact that no, that's not what the argument ultimately becomes.
How are these in any way related? That's my personal opinion on EA access.
I don't think you're quite getting this GAF-detective thing.
The Order and Bloodbourne had prequels on the Xbox?
Mr Moose
Member
I hope this is a joke post...
The Order isn't third party and Bloodbourne only exists because of SCE funding the project, same way Sunset Overdrive only exists because of MS funding it.
Still false equivalence on your part though.
Nice tag btw.
StudioTan
Hold on, friend! I'd love to share with you some swell news about the Windows 8 Metro UI! Wait, where are you going?
Because you're happy with Sony denying millions of gamers a service they might want to because it might affect their bottom line, but if MS makes a decision that affects gamers in order to help their bottom line you suddenly have a problem with it.
When I read your post I immediately thought "I bet he had no issue with Sony not allowing EA Access" and sure enough, it took me 10 seconds to find out you didn't.
RealityPales
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Phil Spencer gets A LOT of credit.
But he was still an Xbox executive when they were developing what would become the original pitch for the Xbox One.
And it's not that hard a PR department to compile the feedback from launch and subsequently make Phil Spencer "likable".
But he was still an Xbox executive when they were developing what would become the original pitch for the Xbox One.
And it's not that hard a PR department to compile the feedback from launch and subsequently make Phil Spencer "likable".
mr teaspoon
Member
We just need some word for 'ridiculous gamer outrage' that we can say to express 'something minor happened in the industry that this person doesn't like and is acting disproportionately angry about it', for situations like this.
I dunno......sleestacks?
Sleestacks.
He brings this up in the podcast.
Typically, one guy, unless he's the top executive, can't force changes that large on a project/program.
No, but they have a long history of being hired by Sony to make first party titles for them.
Gabotron ES
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Bless the #XBoss
Hah wow, this thread delivers.
Guess what, I also enjoy the fact that Uplay or Origin have no place on the PS4 at the moment. I think it's great. I'm not a fan of publisher-exclusive services on consoles.
How is it related to microsoft buying timed exclusive for TR though? What's next, quoting a post of mine that says 'I heart playstation' and presenting it as damning evidence?
You're better than this.
Ryan around Phil being soft?
Shameless.
I don't hold it against either Insomniac or MS for making SO exclusive, but that's not true. The game would have been funded by other publishers easily. Money wasn't the reason they decided to go with MS, they did it cause it was the only publisher (apparently) who let them keep the IP's rights. Funding never seemed to be the problem, thing is that Sony and other possible candidates would like to own the IP rights. The game would always exist, although not in the best interests of Insomniac.
As for the rest of it, I don't see Phil Spencer as the good guy, then again, I'm not a MS lover. All he did was securing delays for other platforms instead of injecting that money into new IPs they could create and own, and spend 400 million on NFL deals, as he was involved in that as well. He may love and understand the industry better than Mattrick (and that alone puts him ahead of him imo) but he's not some angel. No one is. Sony is also denying us options in blocking EA access because it clashes with their own service, so it's good for them but bad for consumers. I personally couldn't give two shits about EA access as I don't want to see every major publisher adopt that system in the future, so anything that delays it is welcome, but I can understand those who are pissed at Sony cause of that. Spencer blocks games from my platform and pc to create false value for his, Sony blocks services from my platform to create false value to their service. Either way, both sides are trying to screw the consumer.
Doctor_Thomas
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I still think he's been all talk and no action. He's still part of the old guard that nearly destroyed the brand and things like indie parity and Tomb Raider make me completely unimpressed. Not owning an XB1 still affects me. Mattrick in a friendlier suit.
PAULINK
I microwave steaks.
We know that's you kaz hirai, you can't fool me.
Hockeymac18
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He has addressed this in interviews, and I don't think he has ever denied being involved with the initial decisions with the system:
Whether he agreed with them or not (or whether he could even do anything about it if he did) is a different story. He might have disagreed with aspects of the system (and based on what he has said since then, I think he did disagree with a lot of the direction). Or maybe he found some of the proposed features interesting, but changed his mind once he saw the response.
Either way, he has never denied being a part of the early days of the system. But I think it is relevant to point out that he was in a much lower position of power at the time (head of MS game studios only). So even he had disagreed with the premise of the system, I don't think anything really could have been done about it from his position.
Dr_LucienSanchez
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I'm sorry, I really don't see how these things are related.
I think if anything, these Phil Spencer worship threads just serve as a sort of quasi-honeypot to bring all the really devoted xbox fans together under one roof. I mean, just look at the user tags on this page alone. All we need is that Hindle poster and that other one that had a meltdown in the NPD thread.
You seem to be much more bothered by TR being exclusive, (and timed at that) than Sony denying the Access service on PS4. I can guarantee you that more PS4 owners would rather have EA Access than TR on day one.
Edit: For the record, I'm not totally sure I see the link in his comparison either. Just making an observation.
Same can be said of any Sony exec basically. Funny thing is Spencer has been with MS since forever and he isn' t acting any different now than any other time he was interviewed.
Also people bitching about the TR deal, grow up and fucking get over it. Where were you people when Sony kept TR games off of competing consoles Starting with the Second game all the way till 2000. Same deal. Wonder how many were mad about it, or owned a PS1 and could give less of a shit about any Saturn owners who might want to play.
It's a business there are no good or bad guys.
For sure. This will go down as a terrible year for Gamers in general. GamerGate, the Phil Spencer cult mentality...we deserve all the hate and ridicule we get from people outside our sphere.
Bet Phil's laughing his ass off "It's like they don't remember me defending DRM, saying we're not gonna remove Kinect and spoht, spoht, spoht! I love my job!"
D'ultimate
Member
Wrong!
It benefits present and future consumers of the Xbox brand. You know, the one's that Spencer should be concerned about.
3rdamention
Member
Phil Spencer thinks I am "first class." He treats me that way too, I dont think he has ever delivered bad news or said something I didn't want to hear. I like that!
Chobel
Member
The way I look at it, it's you making this argument ultimately becomes "I have an xbox, I don't give a shit, and you're wrong anyway". This deal is fucking over* anyone who doesn't have an Xbox One = most of gamers.
*Apply a definition for "fucking over" that suits you.
Doctor_Thomas
Member
Then let's be serious. He doesn't care about gamers. He cares about XBox Consumers but the deal secured a game the XB1 was already getting. How is that a benefit?
This is a nice distinction that I wish others would keep in mind.
Assume Microsoft didn't get TR exclusive, what's the difference to an Xbox consumer?
Nothing
Isn't that kind of his job? I mean, if the Xbox never affected anyone there would be no real reason to buy it and the xbox business would be dead.
Anyways I can see why ps3/ps4 guys are annoyed that tomb raider isn't coming to their platform (at least not for a few months) but the way I see it is that Phil is getting xbox some exclusive games, regardless of how, they will be exclusive to xbox at least for a period of time. This is kinda good for xbox guys as exclusive deals like these could sway people into buying the xbox one and then other games which makes finding games easier and increase the population of those games. I agree in the grand scheme of things it probably won't be huge, but still.
If you want to play tomb raider on release then buy the xbox one otherwise you will have to wait it out and hope for a PS4/PC version, how they became exclusive doesn't really matter IMO.