as if Ubisoft could pull off a game with combat even remotely as good as either of those.
even just financially speaking, their games have to be brainless mash to win, or close to it.
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An Assassin's Creed set in feudal Japan would feel over-familiar, says AC3 director
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as if Ubisoft could pull off a game with combat even remotely as good as either of those.
even just financially speaking, their games have to be brainless mash to win, or close to it.
You don't have to. It's not required of you.
Damerman
Member
as good as that sounds, i doubt it would ever happen.
Doublesith
Member
Good. Feudal Japan would be a predictable and generic setting.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Then why even come into the thread? >.>
Chairman Yang
if he talks about books, you better damn well listen
I think it'd be fine, but I don't understand why people are clamoring for it over Ancient Egypt or British India. Slam Alex Hutchinson if you like, but he's absolutely right in this case.
JuanLatino
Member
overfamiliar??
Is there any open World Game that plays in Feudal Japan?
Just imagine climbing those ancient buildings in your Ninja Costum. Fighting against Samurais...
Even the weapons would perfectly fit into the game -- Kunai, Shuriken, Katanas
Ninjas vs Samurais....Japanese Music, those yukata costumes.
Plz Ubisoft
Since AC2 this is my dream setting...Make it happen
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Is there any open World Game that plays in Feudal Japan?
Just imagine climbing those ancient buildings in your Ninja Costum. Fighting against Samurais...
Even the weapons would perfectly fit into the game -- Kunai, Shuriken, Katanas
Ninjas vs Samurais....Japanese Music, those yukata costumes.
Plz Ubisoft
Since AC2 this is my dream setting...Make it happen
Chairman Yang
if he talks about books, you better damn well listen
There's literally no other big-budget game series doing these settings, let alone with the level of research and production values AC has.
Damerman
Member
Too bad if they ever do a fuedal setting, it will most likely be covered in 50 shades of brown.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
AC1 is definitely not a better game than AC3.
So Sengoku Japan is a theme that's been well-mined in video games? Versus:
-The Crusades
-The American Revolution
-The Age of Pirates
Excuse me
Yakuza Ishin, Samurai Warriors 1-4 (plus the many side games), Tenchu, Yakuza Kenzan, Yuusei no Shishi, Way of the Samurai 1-4, Nobunaga's Ambition 1-14 (not including spin-offs), Ooedo Blacksmith, the multitude of visual novels and dating sims, Sengoku Basara 1-4 (not including spin-offs), the Onimusha series, Kengo and Kengo Zero, the Sengoku Hime series, Ikusa Gami, Blood Will Tell, The Story of the Hero Yoshitsune, Samurai Shodown series, Ookuki, the Takeda series, etc,etc,etc.
And now he is making Far Cry 4..what can go wrong hm?
The Antitype
Banned
Technically speaking, they kind of already did the origin story.
In Assassin's Creed 1, with Altair, there was no established Assassin/Templar war yet. There were Templars, but the Ḥashshāshīn were created by Al Mualim, who was himself a templar. He basically created a private army to betray and kill his fellow templars, so that he alone would be in control of the ancient technology.
In Assassin's Creed 2, there's all the history/stories you can collect of what Altair did after AC1, and it was basically the creation of the Assassins order, and their laws and mission, to fight the Templars.
Now... you could potentially go back even farther and create an Assassin's Creed game that took place in the civilization of those who came before. Which was, essentially, a highly advanced, futuristic civilization. And you could play as a human in the build-up to the war between humans the OTCB as the world was on the cusp of ending. Could be cool.
The Antitype
Banned
Opinions vary.
I like Black Flag a great deal. It's probably still my most played PS4 game (though Diablo 3 is catching up quick). But it didn't hold anywhere near the weight or satisfaction to me as AC3. A lot of that comes down to setting, narrative, main character arc, and the simple fact that AC3 - for all it's faults - felt like a huge leap forward, while AC4 felt very very iterative. So did Brotherhood and Revelations for that matter, and looking back, AC3 left a more lasting, memorable impression than either of those games too.
I can understand the dislike for the game others have. But I prefer the game where Ubisoft shot for the stars and missed, than the one where they played clean-up and made a few tweaks to the foundation that was already laid. Plus, the main character in 4 may have been more overtly charming in that Han Solo way, but he had neither the depth or the evolution that Connor had. The setting was beautiful and fun to play around in, but lacked that historical gravitas.
TL;DR - AC4 felt like goofy, superficial, polished fun for the sake of fun. Which is great! But AC3 felt like it was aiming for something bigger, deeper and tougher. And yeah, it missed the mark. There are parts of that game I loathe. But as far as looking back on the sum total of the experience, AC3 will stick with me a lot longer than AC4.
I'm willing to forgive AC1 because it was the first game in a brand new franchise with gameplay that had never really been done before up until that point. The game was experimental, so I'm willing to give it a free pass.
AC3 was a sequel to a well-established franchise that ignominiously shit all over the standard established by its predecessors and represented a massive leap backward in a beloved series.
Fuck. Hutchinson.
EroticSushi
Member
How about basing it in Korea. There's some sweet fan art that someone did with that idea. I don't think anybody really cares if it feels familiar just because it's "ninja-like".
http://artofjasonkang.blogspot.com/2012/11/assassins-creed-land-of-morning-calm.html
http://artofjasonkang.blogspot.com/2012/11/assassins-creed-land-of-morning-calm.html
He can shit all over Far Cry all he wants. I never liked that series.
edit: and lol that FC4 is set in an asian setting
It was still nonsensical as fuck dude. And I'd like to read up on the material you're referencing, so that I'm on the same page when it comes to what lengths Ubisoft went through to ensure authenticity. And no, accurate depictions that amount to being frivolous aren't good for the industry. Connor's tribe felt like a plot device, plain and simple. There was no driving force or reason to care about the tribe besides their original home being ravaged when Connor was a child.
Its neat that the tribe was included in the game, but the execution for making player care and want to preserve the tribe was haphazard at best.
Ezio was a assassin and displayed more emotion than Connor. Ezio's successes and failures shaped who he was and his perspective. Connor has one goal throughout the whole game, and ends up being a errand boy for the revolution, which in turn ends up destroying his tribe even more if I remember correctly. His goal and arc don't make any sense, it wasn't a tragic turn of events, all of a sudden his tribe sided with the British.
Your approach to storytelling is weird, comparing characters to other characters from different stories isn't off the table discussion wise because of intent alone. If Ubisoft's intent was to make a boring character, that is really spotty intent, and I think they simply created a bland character.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
So was AC3, it was the start of a new cycle and the gameplay revamps were very experimental, including revamped parkour, a completely new engine when at first we were just gonna get this, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOYPhHbM5Sg, and a ton of things had never been done before in the series, like straight up ship combat, a drastically different setting, new AI systems, etc.
That doesn't really add to Ubisoft dude's point if that's your intention. I'm sure he has no idea about most of these games existing, hell, a lot of gaffers wouldn't either.
Gnome Scat
Member
Says the guy who made the most disappointing Assassin's Creed game yet.
No, not obscure enough. Think more obscure... like Greek times when the Greeks were fighting the Persians, or when Rome fell, or maybe World War 2 Germany.
Really obscure, underutilized stuff.
As a fan of niche Japanese games...there's been a ton of niche Japanese games where you can play as ninja or samurai and most are sent to die and are certainly not something AC's audience would have had much contact with. As for games set in the Levant...maybe not necessarily the Levant, but from strategy games like Crusader Kings, to just about any game with a medieval theme has the whole 'Crusading' overtone in there somewhere. And the American Revolution is certainly something Western, American audiences will have had a lot more contact with versus Sengoku Japan. In the context of video games, yeah, not much to do with the ARW. But the one game we did get proved to be disappointingly lackluster.
R_thanatos
Member
Samurai : way of the samurai ( very niche serie )
Ninja : Tenchu ( dead franchise )
i wouldn't mind ubisoft to take of shot at it , lol.
Sakura
Member
Your list consists entirely of super niche games to Assassin's Creed market. Hell you even have eroge in there. Many of the games aren't even at all similar to what an AC set in Japan would be. You are hardly defending the dudes point with that.
The problem is that none of those features came together to form a cohesive whole.
Take, for example, the whole Homestead crap. All it involved was boring, menial chores, running around doing errands and building up a small town for..... why exactly? How exactly does that fit in with being an Assassin? If I wanted to play that sort of crap, I'd play simcity.
And don't even get me started on Connor. Dude must've been tripping mad balls when he wrote that character.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
No it was not, he was trying to save his land, any person who paid attention in history classes would've went into the game knowing about the dramatic irony and futile nature of Connor's quest to save his tribe from being uprooted from their homes. There's nothing nonsensical about it. And there's nothing frivolous about Connor's ethnicity or depiction. And like I said, there are plenty of opportunities in the game to visit the tribe and have conversations with your best friend and clan leader. And here's some sources for what Ubi did to ensure that they had an accurate protagonist.
http://techland.time.com/2012/09/05...voided-stereotypes-and-made-a-real-character/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelvenables/2012/11/25/the-consultants-behind-ratonhnhaketon/
http://kotaku.com/5966088/assassins-creed-iii-used-to-have-scalping
Japan's occupation of Korea would be an interesting setting for an AC game or any game for that matter. But I seriously doubt Ubisoft would do the setting/period justice. And it would probably affect their sales in Japan a bit ...
Heck most Korean shows set during this period are garbage apart from a few godly shows like this one http://wiki.d-addicts.com/Eyes_of_Dawn
Maybe that will be the next Red Dead. Like the similarities between Yojimbo and Fistful of Dollars. But backwards.
plasmawave
Banned
Nailed it.