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[BruiserBear]

So you really are trying to pretend you've been completely fair and balanced?

Just stop, dude. You've made your bias perfectly clear.

And the people labeling me bias are usually the most bias people on this forum, so where does that leave us? I'm wasting my time in this thread right now. I'm very aware of that.

Should probably save this quote for when the Matter Chief Collection ends up being the highest rated Xbox One exclusive this year. You know the port and remaster of games even older than 2013.

My point in bringing up the MCC was only to point out he was including one remaster while ignoring another. Kinda obvious.

 

[shiftplusone]

You had to include a sports game and a remastered game from 2013. You also forgot Fantasia which has a Metacritic of 80, and Halo which is coming out in a couple weeks.

Sports games don't count as games because reasons

Got it

Your neutrality is showing

 

[FinalStageBoss]

Now ppl are bringing up metacritic scores lmao.. Console wars always bring out the best in ppl

 

[pantsonhead]

That is assuming people are rational actors.

Spoiler

They are not

Only when the argument gets boring will this thread improve.

Seems to me like the information itself wouldn't be too useful. I mean, I might be missing something here, but wouldn't the info just tell us what each crowd thought of the game on their system? Doesn't seem like most people buy/rent a game multiple times to review it on multiple platforms.

 

[BruiserBear]

Sports games don't count as games because reasons

Got it

Your neutrality is showing

Sports games certainly count, but if anyone here were to try and argue EA is a great publisher because Madden gets 9's every year they would be laughed off the forum. Yearly sports games are cool, but they kind of occupy their own little place in the gaming world. Throwing them into a discussion about shooters, and racers, and action games seems like a reach.

 

[Naughty_Doge]

Wow this thread is reaching IGN comments section levels of fanboyism...actually' it's reaching Youtube comments levels.

 

[Dr_LucienSanchez]

And yet you started this post arguing that the 360 was neglected at the end of it's life because it didn't have enough exclusives......

I definitely didn't clarify it well, but the two aren't mutually exclusive. For me personally the lack of exclusives may be an issue, but that might not be the case for the broader market. Certainly 360 still sold well on a general level in the US, but it became an issue for some people (enthusiasts). And it's not like I hated having a 360, mainly because 3rd party games were there and generally better on 360.

That may be your opinion, but review scores and the opinions of many would disagree whole heartedly.

Not really. It's not worth getting into a metacritic score debate, because that's just not worth anybody's time, but there is no real huge disparity.

Also, if you're going to argue about games like Fantasia not being included, then you probably can include games like Velocity 2X. And if we're already including the MCC, then LBP3 might as well also get thrown in there. Like, it's all just so arbitrary.

 

[pantsonhead]

Wow this thread is reaching IGN comments section levels of fanboyism...actually' it's reaching Youtube comments levels.

It's getting pretty bad, someone was posting that MS was trying to create a monopoly or something earlier.

 

[Patroclos]

You had to include a sports game and a remastered game from 2013. You also forgot Fantasia which has a Metacritic of 80, and Halo which is coming out in a couple weeks.

Bruiser, no offense intended, but this is why people say you are becoming unsufferable. You just picked up the goalposts on the field you made and drove them across town all while being a total hypocrite.

You had no caveats about sports games and remasters before but now suddenly they don't hold weight? A remaster from one year ago is disallowed but one from the turn of the century should be given consideration before it is even released and reviewed by the very standards you set up.

Dude. Step back. You my friend have lost your objectivity, if indeed it ever existed. But hey, that's okay too, there is absolutely nothing wrong with preferring one thing over another, just be aware.

 

[Squozen]

Not sure how well a trade up program would work. It would have worked really well if the machine had been backward compatible, but that didn't happen for neither console for kind of obvious reasons.

Funny thing is Microsoft could, maybe, possibly have implemented backward compatibility if they'd have given Apple a call and licensed Rosetta. I'm sure it would still have been a major pain and might not have worked or been worth the effort, but there was a really good base to do PowerPC to X86 right there.

Apple licensed Rosetta from Transitive Corporation, it's not their technology. IBM later bought Transitive and the technology is no longer available for licensing, which is why Apple stopped supplying it in OS X 10.7.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QuickTransit

If you've used Rosetta, though, you'll understand why this wasn't at all feasible a solution. You can't emulate a 3-core 3.2Ghz PPC chip with a 1.7Ghz x86 SoC, it just doesn't have the grunt.

 

[Melchiah]

You had to include a sports game and a remastered game from 2013. You also forgot Fantasia which has a Metacritic of 80, and Halo which is coming out in a couple weeks.

Halo isn't a remaster, just like TLOU?

 

[Game4life]

Bruiser, no offense intended, but this is why people say you are becoming unsufferable. You just picked up the goalposts on the field you made and drove them across town all while being a total hypocrite.

You had no caveats about sports games and remasters before but now suddenly they don't hold weight? A remaster from one year ago is disallowed but one from the turn of the century should be given consideration before it is even released and reviewed by the very standards you set up.

Dude. Step back. You my friend have lost your objectivity, if indeed it ever existed. But hey, that's okay too, there is absolutely nothing wrong with preferring one thing over another, just be aware.

There is nothing wrong to have preferences at all. But arguing with a bunch of games reviewed in the late 70's to the early 80's as phenomenal output that shits on the competition and bonafide GOTY material is funny none the less. I mean will anyone give a shit about Infamous or Dead Rising 3 looking back at the end of this generation? I doubt anyone will buy a console for these games.

 

[BruiserBear]

Bruiser, no offense intended, but this is why people say you are becoming unsufferable. You just picked up the goalposts on the field you made and drove them across town all while being a total hypocrite.

You had no caveats about sports games and remasters before but now suddenly they don't hold weight? A remaster from one year ago is disallowed but one from the turn of the century should be given consideration before it is even released and reviewed by the very standards you set up.

Dude. Step back. You my friend have lost your objectivity, if indeed it ever existed. But hey, that's okay too, there is absolutely nothing wrong with preferring one thing over another, just be aware.

It's not moving goal posts. It's me saying if you're going to count that, you might as well include this.

It's kind of an unspoken thing around here that yearly sports games aren't part of the typical games discussion. They're not viewed in the same way.

I definitely didn't clarify it well, but the two aren't mutually exclusive. For me personally the lack of exclusives may be an issue, but that might not be the case for the broader market. Certainly 360 still sold well on a general level in the US, but it became an issue for some people (enthusiasts). And it's not like I hated having a 360, mainly because 3rd party games were there and generally better on 360.



Not really. It's not worth getting into a metacritic score debate, because that's just not worth anybody's time, but there is no real huge disparity.

Also, if you're going to argue about games like Fantasia not being included, then you probably can include games like Velocity 2X. And if we're already including the MCC, then LBP3 might as well also get thrown in there. Like, it's all just so arbitrary.

You're right. It's all very arbitrary.

 

[Toki767]

Yearly sports games absolutely count when the other platform doesn't get it at all.

 

[Biker19]

Wauw, I reward you a price for the most misleading, biased post ever. Continue your propaganda, it seems to be working.

How? He's right about it.

 

[DaleinCalgary]

I am shocked by those numbers. Next generation one of the two companies are going to go crazy and build a very powerful console.

The price means nothing between them so it must be the PS4 being able to outperform the Xbox one. One can say that its the exclusives but perhaps it is how the multiplaform titles perform.

 

[bishoptl]

You had to include a sports game and a remastered game from 2013. You also forgot Fantasia which has a Metacritic of 80, and Halo which is coming out in a couple weeks.

Are you familiar with the term "moving the goalposts"? You want to include scores for titles that haven't even been released yet?

Do you understand how this looks? I don't believe you do.

It's not moving goal posts. It's me saying if you're going to count that, you might as well include this.

It's kind of an unspoken thing around here that yearly sports games aren't part of the typical games discussion.

Funny. I've been here exponentially longer than you have and it's never been part of the 'unspoken' things. Games are games, availability means just that.

Anything else you'd care to enlighten us with, please?

 

[myca77]

Apple licensed Rosetta from Transitive Corporation, it's not their technology. IBM later bought Transitive and the technology is no longer available for licensing, which is why Apple stopped supplying it in OS X 10.7.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QuickTransit

If you've used Rosetta, though, you'll understand why this wasn't at all feasible a solution. You can't emulate a 3-core 3.2Ghz PPC chip with a 1.7Ghz x86 SoC, it just doesn't have the grunt.

I was unaware that the license was no longer available, explains why the support got dropped. Although I had assumed apple owned the tech.

Also from what I recall Rosetta worked ok for me. Photoshop ran pretty well, even Warcraft 3 would run pretty well. Although some if my audio apps performed like ice cold molasses.

And who's to say you couldn't emulate the 3-core 3.2Ghz PPC chip with a 1.7Ghz x86 SoC. totally different generation of processor, now getting it to run at 100% efficiency I'm guessing would be the hard part. Anyway it was just a thought as the tech has been used before. If it had if been easy it would have been implemented.

 

[Patroclos]

It's not moving goal posts. It's me saying if you're going to count that, you might as well include this.

It's kind of an unspoken thing around here that yearly sports games aren't part of the typical games discussion.

Ok, fair enough about the sports games.

Please tell me why we should include a metacritic score for a game that has not been released yet. It doesn't have one yet. How would we do this? Why is TLoU remaster, arguably the greatest game of last gen, not applicable to the argument while MCC is? Would you just prefer to delay the conversation until the 12th?

It's not going to change for a whole gen brother. Adapt man. First to worst is a tough fall but you have become a character like Statham and Verandus, except, well, you aren't funny like Statham or Verandus, just consistently argumentative. Also maybe a bit obtuse and well, lately just a bit... insufferable.

Edit; Oops. Bish said sports games count. Also, it slipped under my radar we were talking about The Show. THE ONLY BASEBALL GAME.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

Yearly sports games absolutely count when the other platform doesn't get it at all.

Yep if you want a baseball game to play you have to have some sort of PS system .
The show sales wise i sure it sold just as well as some MS exclusive .

 

[pantsonhead]

I am shocked by those numbers. Next generation one of the two companies are going to go crazy and build a very powerful console.

The price means nothing between them so it must be the PS4 being able to outperform the Xbox one. One can say that its the exclusives but perhaps it is how the multiplaform titles perform.

Honestly? I think a lot of it has to do with all the feet Mattrick put in his mouth, most of what I've heard from normal folks who opted for a PS4 over the XBO comes down to Mattrick.

E: All of this is anecdotal, of course.

 

[Michael F. Assbender]

No, I doubt they're jealous, but when you're on a forum with a heavily slanted buy rate for the PS4 over the XB1, you're bound to catch some slack for criticisms of the leading console. That's just how it goes. The number of us who own both is pretty low.

It's not the criticism. It's the frequency/quality of that criticism. I see lots of critics. Very few earn the instant dismissal I've seen you get.

Anyhoo, I'm done derailing the topic. Take care

Spoiler

And I don't mean that sarcasticly.

 

[Daviii]

Amazing thread. Surprised it keeps delivering!

If you think about it, there's nothing else in here apart from PS4 thrashing Xbox One in sales.

Everything else, accounting for 99.99% of the messages, is just off topic.

The phd on light cone splitting the all possible universes in two (Remake worthy, and Remake laughable), and the quantum superposition involved on it was lovely.

 

[AmaterasuOni]

Maybe Sony cares more about profit than regional dominance? Remember that PS4 is around $500 in EU, not $400
In several European languages 'Playstation' is synonymous to 'console'.

This is actually true. Here in Finland parents and people who don't play games ask "pelaatko pleikalla?", which means "are you playing with playstation?" No matter what the console (or PC) is. They just see someone playing games on TV, so it must be Playstation.

 

[Dylan Sexbang]

Halo isn't a remaster, just like TLOU?

TLOU remaster is no where near the caliber of Halo 2 Anniversary though. Entirely new cutscenes with brand new mocap, new content added to the Halo 2 campaign, entirely updated graphics, online co-op, re-recorded audio, entirely new Forge maps with new feature set, and updated multi-player maps.

One could even include adding matchmaking to Halo CE which never had it to begin with.

TLOU is just increased resolution and framerate. Oh and Photomode. Which is nowhere near the work done on H2A.And to be fair, I feel the same about TLOU as I do Tomb Raider DE and Sleeping Dogs DE. Lazy cashins.

EDIT: if anything, compare the new Ratchet and Clank remake to MCC.

 

[3rdamention]

Sports games certainly count, but if anyone here were to try and argue EA is a great publisher because Madden gets 9's every year they would be laughed off the forum. Yearly sports games are cool, but they kind of occupy their own little place in the gaming world. Throwing them into a discussion about shooters, and racers, and action games seems like a reach.

Well the discussion was about Exclusives on each platform. MLB The Show is an exclusive, that scored well...It should be included, I never saw anyone saying "let's only talk about shooters, racers and action games ok?" You brought that up..


And when you all are trying to compare exclusives, and meta scores, why are you even bringing up Madden? It isn't exclusive and doesn't even belong in the conversation....


Also, you say this is "a discussion about shooters, racers and action games" then discount MLB The Show cause it's a "sports game" and doesn't fit in those genres, but your quick to throw in Fantasia, a music game, which also doesn't fit your specific genres either...I don't like to use the moving the goal posts line, but this is one of the best examples of it.

 

[jiggle]

Meltdowns
Everywhere

 

[HowZatOZ]

People are so invested when they buy a small box of technology. Do people feel this way when they buy one brand of toilet paper and their friends buy another?

 

[StuBurns]

Bear's talking crap, but Halo is different, Halo 2 Anny is a remake, not a remaster, it's just being packaged with remasters of 1, 3 and 4.

 

[pantsonhead]

People are so invested when they buy a small box of technology. Do people feel this way when they buy one brand of toilet paper and their friends buy another?

I regularly get into fist fights about what brand of rice I buy, shit's serious business bruh.

 

[BiGBoSSMk23]

So Sony is losing mindshare based on a conversation you heard at Target?


Did you ever think that there were just some people that wanted the SO bundle and bitched when it was out of stock? Which still sounds absurd "why don't you have anymore of the thing I want"


Also, what are these false promises Sony is selling? This is a weird post bro....fwiw

I see I ruffled some feathers.

I'm not spelling doom for Sony, especially not in a thread about their current success, note my wording "might be".

Sunset Overdrive delivering and Driveclub's launch getting so botched that not even the promotional slice they promised with PS+ subscription a year ago has come out; and then seeing copies stacked of unsold DC and bundles of SO being out of stock, I thought "gee I don't know, this might be a bit of a ripple."

No marketing, bad reviews, poor functionality vs heavily marketed, colorful, fun, well received game.

It's no secret Sony has a lot in the pipeline but they're not advertising that are they? They're just promising keeping things under wraps, which is fine, but the competition is getting a window to gain ground. First party output has been spread so thin this year that it seems they're still riding the launch momentum, because MS fucked up so spectacularly.

 

[Kevyt]

TLOU remaster is no where near the caliber of Halo 2 Anniversary though. Entirely new cutscenes with brand new mocap, new content added to the Halo 2 campaign, entirely updated graphics, online co-op, re-recorded audio, entirely new Forge maps with new feature set, and updated multi-player maps.

One could even include adding matchmaking to Halo CE which never had it to begin with.

TLOU is just increased resolution and framerate. Oh and Photomode. Which is nowhere near the work done on H2A.And to be fair, I feel the same about TLOU as I do Tomb Raider DE and Sleeping Dogs DE. Lazy cashins.

I think that the Last of Us Remaster looks great. It also includes all the DLC and it was massively successful on the PS3. In addition going from cell architecture to x86 is not easy. I think the Halo 2 port was much easier because of Direct X.

 

[wolfhowwl]

People are so invested when they buy a small box of technology. Do people feel this way when they buy one brand of toilet paper and their friends buy another?

Yes. I can't use the bathroom at a friend's house if the enemy brand is in there.

 

[Melchiah]

TLOU remaster is no where near the caliber of Halo 2 Anniversary though. Entirely new cutscenes with brand new mocap, new content added to the Halo 2 campaign, entirely updated graphics, online co-op, re-recorded audio, entirely new Forge maps with new feature set, and updated multi-player maps.

One could even include adding matchmaking to Halo CE which never had it to begin with.

TLOU is just increased resolution and framerate. Oh and Photomode. Which is nowhere near the work done on H2A.And to be fair, I feel the same about TLOU as I do Tomb Raider DE and Sleeping Dogs DE. Lazy cashins.

Both TLOU and MCC are already released games, done now in a better form. You can't exclude another, while keeping the other.

 

[Dragon]

Yes. I can't use the bathroom at a friend's house if the enemy brand is in there.

Funny you bring this up: my friend has Obama toilet paper so I had to ask him for regular ones.

 

[Wynnebeck]

TLOU remaster is no where near the caliber of Halo 2 Anniversary though. Entirely new cutscenes with brand new mocap, new content added to the Halo 2 campaign, entirely updated graphics, online co-op, re-recorded audio, entirely new Forge maps with new feature set, and updated multi-player maps.

One could even include adding matchmaking to Halo CE which never had it to begin with.

TLOU is just increased resolution and framerate. Oh and Photomode. Which is nowhere near the work done on H2A.And to be fair, I feel the same about TLOU as I do Tomb Raider DE and Sleeping Dogs DE. Lazy cashins.

 

[pantsonhead]

Both TLOU and MCC are already released games, done now in a better form. You can't exclude another, while keeping the other.

I think it's a bit more nuanced than that, no? I think work went into different area's and both include different sorts of content. Not to imply one is better than the other, I've played TLOU:R and loved it and I eagerly await the MCC XBO Bundle.

 

[Uno Venova]

I wonder how far down the rabbit hole will go if we start including and excluding games in list wars based on the differences in developmental efforts that people on this forum perceive.

Could be hilarious.

 

[A_Gorilla]

You had to include a sports game and a remastered game from 2013. You also forgot Fantasia which has a Metacritic of 80, and Halo which is coming out in a couple weeks.





You both should go re-read what I just said. Because there are so many PS4 only owners here, that means by default there are that many more irrational babies who get upset when I say obvious things about the shortcomings of the PS4 OS, and the exclusive games being pretty poor so far.

I expressed no surprise in their being more PS4 owners, and most of them are perfectly rational and acknowledge it's shortcomings.



That list is worthless in the context of a discussion about the PS4 and XB1.

People have been banned for less here, dude.

 

[Philly40]

TLOU remaster is no where near the caliber of Halo 2 Anniversary though. Entirely new cutscenes with brand new mocap, new content added to the Halo 2 campaign, entirely updated graphics, online co-op, re-recorded audio, entirely new Forge maps with new feature set, and updated multi-player maps.

One could even include adding matchmaking to Halo CE which never had it to begin with.

TLOU is just increased resolution and framerate. Oh and Photomode. Which is nowhere near the work done on H2A.And to be fair, I feel the same about TLOU as I do Tomb Raider DE and Sleeping Dogs DE. Lazy cashins.

EDIT: if anything, compare the new Ratchet and Clank remake to MCC.

Lazy Cashins sounds like a country 'n western singer

 

[Dredd97]

People have been banned for less here, dude.

he has been before, i'm sure he's not too bothered, otherwise he'd tone it down a bit...

 

[Cole Slaw]

Incredible and well deserved sales. Who would have thought 2 years ago this outcome?

I have almost all consoles since the atari 2600 and PS4 is the first one to feel really perfect.
It's difficult to explain this but I remember something Cerny said at the February event. That they wanted to make sure that nothing gets between the gamer and the experience (or something like that). PS4 is like it's not there. Everything happens so naturally and quickly. It's a system I love just to turn on. Something I cannot say about PS3 which felt it struggled to do even the simpler things.

Also many of my friends keep asking about it. Is it worth the money? Should they get one? etc. And they are not gamers or ever owned a console. They just play at my house.

So I think its success is more than the focused message, specs or price. It has a great aura more than anything.

I remember being jealous when someone had a PS4 before me, and only to play some NHL game. I felt like I would have been its more rightful owner because I'd have been using it for Resogun.

First time a console ever made me feel entitled like that. The PS4 just feels like it will be the home of the indie renaissance.

 

[Melchiah]

I think it's a bit more nuanced than that, no? I think work went into different area's and both include different sorts of content. Not to imply one is better than the other, I've played TLOU:R and loved it and I eagerly await the MCC XBO Bundle.

Perhaps, but I've seen TLOU being belittled a plenty of times for being an already released game, while MCC is being touted as the biggest release of the year, just like Titanfall was before its release. Either you include both of them, or neither.

 

[FinalStageBoss]

This thread is reminding me of my days over at GameFaqs. Fun times.

 

[A_Gorilla]

This thread is reminding me of my days over at GameFaqs. Fun times.

Same here, though I am NOT enjoying it.

 

[ShinMaruku]

Gamefaqs was hilarious.

 

[Apathy]

TLOU remaster is no where near the caliber of Halo 2 Anniversary though. Entirely new cutscenes with brand new mocap, new content added to the Halo 2 campaign, entirely updated graphics, online co-op, re-recorded audio, entirely new Forge maps with new feature set, and updated multi-player maps.

One could even include adding matchmaking to Halo CE which never had it to begin with.

TLOU is just increased resolution and framerate. Oh and Photomode. Which is nowhere near the work done on H2A.And to be fair, I feel the same about TLOU as I do Tomb Raider DE and Sleeping Dogs DE. Lazy cashins.

EDIT: if anything, compare the new Ratchet and Clank remake to MCC.

Fuck those lazy ass developers only wanting more money from hard working consumers. All they had to do was click "export to ps4" and they were done, and they have the audacity to charge us full price for it. Thank god Microsoft goes out of their way to give us games from over a decade ago because they love us so much.

 

[Joni]

That wasn't even remotely true for their previous console. I'm not gonna bother to dig up the full list, but off the top of my head the PS3 had Resistance, Motorstorm, Heavenly Sword, Uncharted, Ractchet and Clank, and Warhawk all in it's first year. That was a very strong first year IMO.

The PlayStation 2 also didn't have to settle considering it had Gran Turismo 3 and Jak & Daxter, but that one might have arrived just after the first year mark. You also had Dark Cloud. Europeans might want to count the SCEE published Final Fantasy X. PlayStation would be a weak first year if you don't count all the titles SCEE/SCEA published not developped by Sony and if you ignored the output of Psygnosis. If you do those things, you get a really weak PS1 line-up for Sony anyway.

 

[Dylan Sexbang]

I think that the Last of Us Remaster looks great. It also includes all the DLC and it was massively successful on the PS3. In addition going from cell architecture to x86 is not easy. I think the Halo 2 port was much easier because of Direct X.

It does look great! I never denied and someone who owns all 3 current gen consoles, I have TLOUR myself. But the amount of content in direct comparison to the PS3 version is rather lacking and I find that lazy. The remake of Ratchet and Clank is a better comparison to MCC than TLOUR. TLOUR is on the same league as Sleeping Dogs or Tomb Raider. Neither of which I touched with a 10 foot pole, TLOUR I snagged because it was a great game. But the comparison to H2A is moot. And TLOUR does have all the DLC but still ahs microtransactions which peeved me, but I didn't play the MP anyway.

Both TLOU and MCC are already released games, done now in a better form. You can't exclude another, while keeping the other.

As it is, Halo 2 Anniversary is not released. Halo 2 on the Xbox Hueg doesn't have Terminals or Forge or online coop or even the vehicles and weapons available on H2A. While TLOUR in 98% form is available on the PS3 as TLOU.

*generic gif reply*

What is this, /v/? Come back with a real reply.

 

[LiveFromKyoto]

It's kind of an unspoken thing around here that yearly sports games aren't part of the typical games discussion. They're not viewed in the same way.

Yes they are, you're just selectively ignoring them . There are very large community threads for all the major sports franchises on this site. Anticipation for what The Show would look like as a PS4 showcase was very high.