That's odd. What a clusterfuck.
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BEWARE THE LATEST GTA SAN ANDREAS STEAM UPDATE !!!11!!
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I can take some shit in trade if i could get modern controller support in VC (like, strong snap assist/lock on). Is SA now like that?
Or are they just planning to remove music tracks
MrCunningham
Member
VC is my favorite title in the GTA3 series. 3 and SA aren't bad, but VC resonates with me the most. I'd be pissed if it got the same treatment.
zer0blivion
Member
You can get great modern controller support for GTA3 and VC with GInput. http://www.gtagarage.com/mods/show.php?id=24272 The author is also working on a version for SA.
As said, VC was updated few years back. They did it correctly that time too, so those who bought it prior, still have "old audio" version it.
Yeah but that link shows another new update is being worked on for it.
Deaf Spacker
Memb
What the fuck are they playing at? I'm struggling to understand how they can remove content several years later.
If they lose the licence for some music then they can't legally sell the game so they remove the music. Simple.
OT: The mobile version is on Steam? Or has the PC version just had the changes patched in?
It has some of the changes of the mobile version, such as the missing songs. It does not have the strange lighting and awful controls, even though they patched in controller support that's still pretty bad.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
Wow, that's comically insane.
It's not related directly to GTA VC, but rather something was done globally and it affected almost 2000 games.
See https://steamdb.info/changelist/748217/
unknownhero
Member
question, where are the files for the controls located? it's the only good part of the patch in truth and once I downgraded it, I'm going to add that back.
They're in the updated exe, I think. There is one controller mod out called GInput, so you can use that.
There's a build of it presently being updated for rumble support, more analog control when it comes to certain buttons, and even the option to use GTA IV controls with the game.
But if you bought the game while the music was licensed, you bought a legal copy of that music. Much like I can still download Rock Band songs that have expired licenses because I already paid for the song while a license existed for it. The same should hold true for San Andreas.
OverBlood 3
Banned
So I can play this with a 360 controller right now?
Eraser_Arcade
Member
Was you able to get it to work? Because it didn't work for me. :/
Crimsonclaw111
Member
A quick Google Search found this tool for me: http://www.thegtaplace.com/downloads/f560-gta-sa-music-extractor-pc
unknownhero
Member
cool, s how do you then install the music to the proper files?
That one is the mobile version. So no.
Simple? You mean like reading? People are not at all complaining about what you are talking about.
These are individuals who already bought the game a while back who are pissed at yanked content. New buyers going forward is a totally different issue. This has come up many times in the thread.
zer0blivion
Member
I sat listening to K-DST for a while and didn't hear Running Down a Dream or Woman to Woman. So far, it doesn't seem to have worked.
zerokoolpsx
Member
A patch that takes away stuff? Now that is something new. Yeah, it freaking sucks big time.
Lol. It's not that bad.
Dorsal Axe
Member
Hm, that's odd. And that's after replacing the existing files in "\audio\streams" and traklkup.dat in "\audio\config\", right? If that doesn't work, try copying the entire "audio" folder over and replacing the newsteam version.
Nevadatan
Member
wait isnt illegal to remove the song from people that bought the game BEFORE the license expiration date?
Apparently not. That's why we're all even here now discussing this.
AkimbO_Arcana
Banned
tsssss bought this last year and haven't even played it. This is bad R*, I'll hunt down a physical PS2 or Xbox copy now...
CharmingCharlie
Member
There really is no excuse for removing content from current owners. The "decent" thing would've been for Rockstar to either "re-release" SA as a new product on steam to buy (so current owners wouldn't be affected). At the very least they could have "compensated" current owners in the form of a decent patch that actually FIXED some of the issues with GTA SA on the PC. But no Rockstar being Rockstar chose the cheapest way and to hell that it screws PC customers over. Hell the fact they are still charging £10 for a game that is nearly 10 years old and riddled with bugs speaks volumes about them.
It does demonstrate though that this company has not changed. I don't know why some keep saying GTA 5 will be a well optimised port and that they are taking the PC seriously. No they aren't as they have demonstrated here with GTA SA.
It does demonstrate though that this company has not changed. I don't know why some keep saying GTA 5 will be a well optimised port and that they are taking the PC seriously. No they aren't as they have demonstrated here with GTA SA.
409966, up from 2746.
Eraser_Arcade
Member
With my backup that I made about a week ago, I had copied over the audio folder into the updated Grand Theft Auto San Andreas folder. But, the removed songs still wouldn't play. Then I replaced the new gta-sa.exe with the backup v3.00 exe, again the songs did not play. So out of frustration I decided to copy & pasted my entire backup over, just to see if the game would still even play through Steam, and it did. And better yet, the removed songs are playing again. 
So there has to be other files, besides the files in audio folder, that is preventing the removed songs from playing. I just don't know which ones yet.
So there has to be other files, besides the files in audio folder, that is preventing the removed songs from playing. I just don't know which ones yet.
I get your point, but the OCD in me has to point out that movie licenses generally aren't the same situation.
You're talking about one or two songs by a popular artist being licensed for use in a movie vs 100+ being licensed for use in a video game, hence needing to cut corners for a sane licensing budget (search for 'perpetuity' and some terms really familiar to this thread should come up).
Unless you meant the film's soundtrack outside of songs, which doesn't run into this issue (along with regular game soundtracks that don't sync pop music) since the core problem here (aside from Rockstar's colossal mismanagement of the issue) has to do with how recording/publishing labels simply don't understand why their terms are absurd for video games.
Stepping back from San Andreas and looking at the big picture, there honestly are two solutions going forward for games:
1) Developers stop licensing dozens of tracks per game. Hence the budget for 'perpetuity' makes sense. (Not gonna happen for GTA)
2) Music labels essentially stop being asses and take the time to understand why games are a different ballgame from other previously established sync license rules, and hence draft a contract specific to games that takes all its quirks like sequels, remakes, ports, DLC, digital distro, etc into account. (Not gonna happen if any indication is the way RIAA stamps its feet and cries foul whenever bits of its pie is taken away)
3) People just accept that this is how this is going to be for games like GTA, BUT developers take greater care in making sure the contracts state that (if for a limited duration sync) previously purchased copies that were created, in any format including digital retain the right to continue to have access to that content, and then subsequently not mess up by failing to take the proper steps to ensure only new copies have that content pulled. Bolded being important since they did that for Vice City and somehow dropped the ball hard here, as JaseC has mentioned multiple times.
If you want to be anally accurate, we aren't sure if it's a mistake on Rockstar's part, (hence 'yes, it's illegal') or not (hence 'no, it's legal'), which would depend on the exact contents of the sync contract. Unless it differs from Vice City, I'm leaning towards "they messed up".
Doctor_Thomas
Member
It's probably complicated, but the use of licenced songs comes with a time limit (music alone, even unlicenced, has prevented rereleases of games) and, because Rockstart are effectively making this game available for sale again, they have to remove the offending songs.They are removed from other users to maintain consistency for patches and because music licences don't fall under the software licence (I'd assume)
That doesn't excuse the bugs though.
Stallion Dan
Member
I see removing major parts of the GTA SA soundtrack as an improvement, personally.
Doctor_Thomas
Member
SonyToo!;138079897 said:
That entirely depends on the agreement in place and, I dare say, it wasn't a very good one.
uncredited male
Member
Nevadatan
Member
thanks seems that my computer updates it silently because theres nothing on steam download history
I liked both the way they were. Redgardless, nothing should change with Vice City as the deed was already one, albeit done right. Old users get to keep the original soundtrack, the new purchases get the one without the expired licensed music. Why they didn't do that for San Andreas, is either laziness or something else
I updated mine then used that unofficial patch to get my 1080p back. Surprisingly nVidia DSR was detected, giving me an option for 4K. So i got in game and tried it and it actually worked! Looks good, but the cutscenes crashed it. 1080p works and pad support is working, so all i need to do is get the old music back. Not too unhappy.
uncredited male
Member
This has probably been mentioned but I just realized someone could take the original tracks and break them up to be used on the custom music station. They are just MP3 files.
ChoklitReign
Member
Does the music extractor work with VC? I downloaded both games last night (too late for SA) to stop the patch. Do I just replace the .exe with an older version to make mods compatible?