GaryGodblood
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Olivia in FE: Awakening
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Hilariously underpowered RPG party members.
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Marle is legitimately the best character in CT on Haste alone.
texhnolyze
Banned
This stupid motherfucker
Heh. I don't even use him.
He's just standing around the camp with his default uniform until I beat the game.
Btw, these are my pick from the classic.
Iunno, she allows the kids to wreck even more. It's like they're getting another galeforce
Aizen-S-Kennedy
Banned
What, no Rafa and Malak?!
Came here for this. Was not disappointed
Wasn't Olivia the dancer? I mean she's supposed to be weak as a fighter. XD
GifGafIsTheBestGaf
Member
Yamcha sucks balls even on Battle of Z
True story, I crawled my way to the top of the
Riovanes Castle rooftop. Because I'm a moron, I didn't check skills and teleported Ramza up and attacked the Marquis.
Since he had Shiratori, he instantly killed poor Ramza. A moment later, one of the Assassins charmed Luso, who was unable to resist her feminine charms. He turned around and punched my Black Mage to death. I thought that was the end.
Then Rapha ran up and hit the Marquis with Asura five times and ended the battle.
Since he had Shiratori, he instantly killed poor Ramza. A moment later, one of the Assassins charmed Luso, who was unable to resist her feminine charms. He turned around and punched my Black Mage to death. I thought that was the end.
Then Rapha ran up and hit the Marquis with Asura five times and ended the battle.
So I can't think of them as the worst.
Hey, I used em! Meg can tank a hit from a tiger and the Dawn Brigade is full of squishies so I wasn't too displeased with her.
Fiona... was just because I could, she comes with innate Renewal and Savior! Damn, that gal is ineffective. Who knew horses don't do so hot in swamps and indoors.
I didn't notice him being significantly worse, unless it was a boss battle that mattered.
So bad. Everybody is better than him
... Err, what I did notice that his backstory seemed to be Kratos-lite and I didn't need another Kratos.
Easiest character to run the Arena with! (probably some oversight that allows her to retain an invincibility buff indefinitely). But yeah, Tales healers tend to want to "help" by smacking the enemy in the face, which is totally not their expertise. I usually shortcut their longest animating heal spell and spam it. They're indispensable though so I wouldn't say underpowered so much as high maintenance.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
The King. Can't beat that little fellah in uselessness.
Huh? Max? He's an insane powerhouse. Sarcasm?
blankempathy
Member
I always found cloud in final fantasy tactics to be very underwhelming. He starts off unleveled. You have to find his materia blade and you can only perform his job limit breaks if you had it equipped. He required too much investment to be a decent party member. Plus his limit breaks if i remember correctly had ridiculously long charge times making some of the higher ones really hard to land.
Valkerionseven
Member
This person did not play Final Fantasy 11 thats for sure. Bard buffs were insane, Dancers were pretty much the OP button when they were added. Toss those job skills on basically anything and watch your ass not die ever.
My vote goes to Tales of... every damn healer in this franchise.
How do they make so many damn games and NEVER improve the AI. Even when set to tactics made to blatantly heal soon as you take 1% damage the game miraculously fails at it every iteration. Especially this one!
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Most frustrating character to have around waiting for a damn heal.
DealWithIt
Member
Agreed. But omg the fan-service.
blankempathy
Member
Yep and I totally would of used him but i think by the time you can get him you have access to people like tg cid and better members plus your generic ones are pretty leveled too. He's not really worth the investment either unless you simply want to use Cloud Strife because hes Cloud Strife.
Edward from FFIV.
He's completely useless in the original. Somewhat better in the DS remake, but still sucks ass. Come to think of it, I dislike all bards/dancers characters in RPG that I've played, relying on weak, cheap dancing/singing moves that provides crappy, boring effects.
Bard could break the SPD cap for the entire team on FF:T.
sir_kevith
Member
Fuckin' Jeff
This is so wrong that I know the game must've been pretty hard on your playthrough
I never dug deep enough into the numbers to see which Suikoden characters were the worst, but I remember Gadget and Hix being pretty bad.
I thought I remember Gadget being a pretty good heavy-hitter, but I may be remembering incorrectly or thinking of the Suikoden 3 version.
I dunno, I always found him to be pretty useful through the first few chapters. Seems like once he hits promotion his stats never recover back to semi-relevant territory but early on slap the power ring on him and he holds his own. Amon and Balbaroy however are always terrible!
Whats the proper way o.o? I've brought Kiwi through to the very end many times but always hit that steep decline in the lil critters usefulness falls off a cliff somewhat early on.
Mazzy isn't that good (grandmaster archer doesn't mean much in BG2, where bows and grandmastery are both nerfed), but Keldorn is pretty godly. Dispels at double his levels and is able to equip the Carsomyr.
Wolf Akela
Member
Final Fantasy X - Kimahri
Only not bad for maybe the first 3-4 hours because Auron isn't around. A bit more use in NSG because of good base HP, STR, MAG plus Stone Breathe. Useless otherwise. Stat growth is bad. Just make sure to teach him Steal then you can bench him the entire game.
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Final Fantasy Tactics - Meliadoul
On her own, she's good, but why bother when you get
at pretty much the same time and is better in every single way?
Only not bad for maybe the first 3-4 hours because Auron isn't around. A bit more use in NSG because of good base HP, STR, MAG plus Stone Breathe. Useless otherwise. Stat growth is bad. Just make sure to teach him Steal then you can bench him the entire game.
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Final Fantasy Tactics - Meliadoul
On her own, she's good, but why bother when you get
So bad. Everybody is better than him
Okay this is pure wrong. Regal is one of the better characters in the game due to a myriad of reasons (infinite, ridiculous guard break/spell interrupting properties, high stats in the stats that matter, double jump).
If you're going to point at the bottom of the barrel for ToS, you need to point it at Genis or Sheena.
DealWithIt
Member
I always thought Genis was pretty useful. He was great at exploiting elemental weaknesses.
Rhazer Fusion
Member
See how many remember this one.
Hi Amy. She was a really good healer if I remember right when I had her in may party. Not the best fighter, but she was able to hold her own.
Hours Left
Member
Yeah, I think some people think this because you get him last, but Regal is freaking amazing. Probably the most well rounded character for player control, and has a ton of unique attributes. Fast, powerful, can heal himself, CRAZY combos, etc.
As much as I like Sheena, she really doesn't have that much going on for her. Her skills are way too situational. (I still used her though.) And Genis is just flat out awful, in every way.
Genis biggest problem is the spell queue. Early Tales games made it so that any mid or higher level spell is put in a queue per ally or enemy side. Only one of these spells can be in effect per side and any spells in the queue have their cast time halted until the current spell animation finishes, making what seems to be a 3.5 second cast of Splash turn into 8 seconds from waiting for Healing Circle to finish it's animation or vice versa.
As such, this makes putting Genis + Raine in the same party quite detrimental as they'll be fighting each other to queue a spell up.
Also doesn't help that even with elemental weaknesses, the melee characters straight up outdamage him. (and Magic caps at 999 while Str goes to the 4 digit numbers)
Hours Left
Member
And who's gonna take Raine out of their party? Especially on higher difficulties?
With Genis, you have to wait forever for him to do something useful, and it comes at a determent to your healing. And strong and fast melee characters (like Regal) can out damage him in no time flat. Genis has cool looking spells, but he's really quite a burden, especially in the late game portions. And he dies at the drop of a hat.
Basileus777
Member
Before they nerfed blood magic in a patch, she was an invincible god.
InfiniDragon
Member
Yeah, that is some rubbish there. Regal was frickin' stronk.
Also, that guy that said Estelle was bad is wrong because she can make you invincible for the entire fight with that skill that extends duration of buffs. The only character (in the original, can't speak for the PS3 version) in Vesperia that isn't completely OP for one reason or another is Karol, and he's still strong.
She's pretty strong as blood Mage spec...stack cons, nab aoe spells and set up tactics to deactivate blood magic and heal when health gets really low
See how many remember this one.
Best healer in Phantasy Star II. I always had her in my party (and considering the difficulty of the game, I needed her).
Also, Jeff from Earthbound is a boss slayer. Do not underestimate him.
That and Raine's Photon is the best offensive spell in the game.
Sophia is a pretty good support character. If any character from SO3 belongs in this thread, it's Albel.
PepsimanVsJoe
Member
Yeah I'm not seeing it either.
Kiwi falls off around the time you face Zalbard, and he never recovers. He dies instantly to literally every spell/special-attack. The HP-up items are better spent on everyone else.
Even his super defense doesn't prevent him from dying in a single physical hit upon returning to Granseal island.
I always thought Yuffie was garbage until I learned years later that she's OP as fuck with the right setup. Knights of the Round was such a pain in the ass to use, I was always looking for ways to be strong without relying on it.
Cyan kinda sucked in FF6 even though I always persisted with him because I love his character and song. SwordTech just can't compare to anyone in my Locke/Gogo/Terra/Mog party.
Cyan kinda sucked in FF6 even though I always persisted with him because I love his character and song. SwordTech just can't compare to anyone in my Locke/Gogo/Terra/Mog party.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Terra from Final Fantasy 6.
Celes was kinda meh too. Runic gutters out so fast in relative usefulness.
Irving From FF8.
Celes was kinda meh too. Runic gutters out so fast in relative usefulness.
Irving From FF8.
Purple Cheeto
Member
He can be broken in terms of power super early if you do things right. With the standard sphere grid anyhow.
blankempathy
Member
Terra and Celes aren't useless its just people like sabin/shadow/edgar are op in comparison. They have higher magic stats then most other characters.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
If you read the thread title, and the OP, you may not be so lost in the future.
Professor Beef
Banned
Irving was decent. Selphie was garbage.
the_batman
Banned
Aw, that's harsh. At the very least, she has a Limit Break technique, The End, that can kill ANYthing...even if the chances of rolling that Limit Break are like 0.0001%. It does exist!
Also, I think the guy's name is Irvine.
InfiniDragon
Member
Terra was strong as hell with Trance Mode/Morph, got double damage during that and as a result can hit high damage pretty early on. She also had really good magic defense. And Irvine had AP Ammo which made him hit like a grown ass man and wasn't nearly as uncommon as the Pulse Ammo (which was also strong).
Selphie is mega OP if you cheated. Open the disc tray, Slot until The End pops, close tray, watch them die.
I dunno about that, I'd put Adray and Mirage there over Albel (Mirage would have been frickin' amazing if her Avenger Charge was non-elemental >_>). Although compared to Maria and Fayt they're all jobbers.
Nah, Terra is definitely strong end game. Stats-wise she's one of the highest IIRC, and she can use Atma Weapon
Eudaemonium
Member
If you ever replay DA2 I suggest you basically pump most of her attribute points into Constitution and talents in her Dalish Pariah tree. Merrill doesn't need healing, because it gets to a point where she's basically invincible.
Just if you do that don't take her into the Fade. When she betrays you she can be
very hard to kill.
Hours Left
Member
Heh. Her and Jeff from Earthbound are in both topics now.
I would disagree with you. By herself she isn't anything special, but her role as a support is invaluable.