Gordon Shumway
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LOL..pretty sure that's the point.
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Racists Getting Fired
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LOL..pretty sure that's the point.
He posted a selfie of himself and sort of begged people to find something inapproptiate on his public Twitter account, sooooooo.
karasu
Member
We're predisposed to stupidity in general. It's something we overcome.
freeofgreed
Member
Sigh, I knew this thread was going to take this turn. First of all I'm 100% behind this site, as someone whose had to deal with racist employees before, fuck these guys and they have no place in our society or in the workplace. I do not understand how so many of you can have a sliver of sympathy for these people.
Yes they should, because their attitudes outside of work can have an impact on their job as well. If a business is known for employing known racists it will refract badly on them, also I highly doubt any of these people are treating their minority customers as good as their white customers.
Yes they should, because their attitudes outside of work can have an impact on their job as well. If a business is known for employing known racists it will refract badly on them, also I highly doubt any of these people are treating their minority customers as good as their white customers.
But we also have a real pic topic here. He was posting under a fake name, just like a GAF nickname. There was just enough information on there to find him out. I think most people here could be found out depending on what they post.
Basically.
Bad mouth company. Get fired = Justified
Racially bad mouth a group of people. Get fired = Where do we draw the line? Going too far. Free speech. We can't change what these people think, we should just let them be and grow tougher skin. This doesn't make them racists, account could have been hacked. We don't know all the full details. I don't approve of racism, though.
So you're saying we should let racist bigots keep spewing their BS without any real consequence, because any sort of punishment would make them worse?
Stating his name with "come and get me!" is not exactly 'just enough information to find him out'.
Gordon Shumway
Banned
It is spooky, init?
freeofgreed
Member
Oh sorry, misread your post. Thought you were saying something completely different.
NullPointer
Member
I've got no sympathy for people who can't at the very least keep their racism to themselves. Social media is not a private conversation - its screaming your bullshit to the world at large and having those words stored, cross-indexed and easily searchable.
This is one of those reap what you sow situations.
This is one of those reap what you sow situations.
Take their jerbs.
Again, not comparable.
"*Selfie* come get me haters I dare you!!!!" =! "Here's a picture of me does my hair look good."
Which is exemplified in the fact that I don't believe, in the 9 years I've been on GAF, I've never seen a thread of someone who was fired for something they said on here.
Joni, he literally posted his name. It's on the Tumblr.
I don't recall saying that, no. If "any sort of punishment" is only "getting them fired" and "making them worse" is a fine by-product then it's a good plan I guess.
theignoramus
Member
Nah. Twitter and facebook are public forums and no employer is interested in employees that reflect poorly on the image of their company. A step too far is perhaps going through someone's private email or DMs. But a public tweet or post? Fuck them, they deserve it.
lol, he really had it coming.
ClosingADoor
Member
It is good people are called out on their shit and it having some consequences. I'm just afraid of possible abuse with this stuff. These aren't verified accounts. If this is going to happen more often, what is to stop someone from making a fake profile of someone else and try to get them fired.
freeofgreed
Member
I always see this argument whenever the topic of shaming racists comes up. Who cares if they become more racist? They were already racist in the first place, does the degree to which they are racist matter?
I guess the counter argument would be that we should use this opportunity to try to educate them, but that isn't anyone's responsibility besides their own. I've tried educating racists for years and 99% of the time they are just so stuck in their beliefs and they refuse any logic you throw at them. It just really isn't worth the effort most of the time. So if they can't change their ways, then them suffering repercussions for it is the next best thing.
Atraveller
Banned
I don't see why they can't just show their bosses their real accounts.
PdotMichael
Banned
I wouldn't be suprised if many of such pictures are already fakes.
Even tumblr blogs need a steady flow of content after all.
Mikey Jr.
Member
Maybe they don't have one?
You can. If someone were to do that to me, I believe I would contest the firing legally, and have a very solid case. The firing of an employee is not something commonly done off the cuff. If the employee is good, you don't want to lose them over a misunderstanding. Then there's the consideration of having to train a new employee. Ultimately, though, a wrongful termination lawsuit is something to be avoided.
However, I would not be surprised if many of these people have their twitter/facebook accounts known by their employers.
theignoramus
Member
I dont think there's a "thin line" at all between tweeting or posting messages laden with racial hatred and intolerance versus posting party pictures.
I don't feel sorry for these dickheads at all, but the idea someone could take my phone and post something awful on my Twitter as a bad joke, or I could make a sarcastic comment people don't get, which then gets me fired is pretty scary. There's a reason Doxxing is bannable on just about every respectable website; internet mobs don't tend to be good at due process, and inevitably someone who did nothing wrong will get hurt.
Plus there's that while in this case the people being attacked are obviously in the wrong, it isn't so cool when you have hundreds of pro-life activists who honestly believe abortion is murdering babies harassing your work place because you made a pro woman's rights tweet. Or a load of people telling your boss you're anti-Semitic because you made a tweet critical of Israel's government.
Even though it's pretty feel good in stories like this doxxing is a pretty awful thing to encourage. It won't be so cool when people you disagree with start doing it about issues they feel just as strongly about. Tumblr need to sort their shit out.
Plus there's that while in this case the people being attacked are obviously in the wrong, it isn't so cool when you have hundreds of pro-life activists who honestly believe abortion is murdering babies harassing your work place because you made a pro woman's rights tweet. Or a load of people telling your boss you're anti-Semitic because you made a tweet critical of Israel's government.
Even though it's pretty feel good in stories like this doxxing is a pretty awful thing to encourage. It won't be so cool when people you disagree with start doing it about issues they feel just as strongly about. Tumblr need to sort their shit out.
andthebeatgoeson
Junior Member
It won't end racism but anonymous racism has been a shit stain on the beautiful face of the internet.
No sympathy at all.
If, at this point, you still don't understand that what you say on social media isn't private, then you deserve the social repercussions of your actions.
I am still amazed that people are still getting themselves fired over Twitter posts. What does it take to get it through people's heads that spewing every shitty thought that crosses your mind on your Twitter account isn't wise?
If, at this point, you still don't understand that what you say on social media isn't private, then you deserve the social repercussions of your actions.
I am still amazed that people are still getting themselves fired over Twitter posts. What does it take to get it through people's heads that spewing every shitty thought that crosses your mind on your Twitter account isn't wise?
1.21Gigawatts
Banned
I wouldn't do that kind of stuff myself, but I think its okay that they are informing the employers what their employees are saying on social media.
freeofgreed
Member
No because it's be pretty obvious that a profile like that is fake.
Okay, that part I didn't see. Aside from that, I still think it is possible to link everyone here to their real identity if someone wanted to. It is just not that relevant on GAF due to the fast bans on actual racism.
theignoramus
Member
The timeline of a phony profile specifically set up like that would give it away as a fake. A twitter account typically has tweets going back months, years. Im not saying someone couldnt play the long con, and pretend to be someone else for months/years on end, but that level of dedication is usually from people pretending to be celebrities.
And you're sure everyone on twitter/tumblr will be able to figure that out? What if some of them didn't study hard enough at Internet Detective school?
striferser
Huge Nickleback Fan
Good question....
Racist deserve to get fired, but if someone faking it to get someone else take the fall...then, damn.
Huh? they did nothing wrong. These people freely stated their racist thoughts in a public space along with their identity. All they did was tell their job. Their job is free to decide what to do with that information. At what point did anybody do anything wrong?
What's to stop that same person from lying in other ways to get someone fired if they want to get someone fired. File a police report and contact Twitter to get the account taken down. People have been trying to get other people fired since the advent of jobs. This is one way that makes the real culprit criminally liable, possibly for multiple offenses.
Portugeezer
Member
Never surprises me the amount of idiots that are stupid enough to post on accounts which are linked to their real lives.
theignoramus
Member
They think only their circle of friends read their shit and dont realize something being reweeted or liked a hundred times means their garbage has probably left their sphere of friends and associates and ventured into new frontiers.
elrechazado
Banned
This
FUCK YEAH ANONYMOUS REPORTING
What is wrong with some of you guys. This is appalling. But the worst is probably that the responsible of this Tumblr probably feels like a brave and fearless warrior because well, they're the bad guys after all. Internet justice truly is a pathetic thing.
I'm guessing he's also denouncing his neighbor to the government because he didn't pay his taxes last year? Shit, if you really wanna be a cop, then be a real cop. Don't make it a hobby.
What is wrong with some of you guys. This is appalling. But the worst is probably that the responsible of this Tumblr probably feels like a brave and fearless warrior because well, they're the bad guys after all. Internet justice truly is a pathetic thing.
I'm guessing he's also denouncing his neighbor to the government because he didn't pay his taxes last year? Shit, if you really wanna be a cop, then be a real cop. Don't make it a hobby.
There we go.
dapperbandit
Banned
lol at all the "I can't believe racists like this exist today!" posts. You think that because it's far less common in day to day life. People suck it up then post shit on twitter or facebook, or in the comments for youtube or news sites. Those people aren't performing some elaborate double act or impersonating someone else; they likely believe most of what they say but know better than to say it aloud. It costs nothing to say something like that on the internet; or it used to. Chasing racists off the internet is just gagging them, it's not teaching them a lesson they will learn from. It just feeds their persecution complex.
Random Painted HIghway
Member
All of these examples are very egregious and beyond the pale.
Subjecting the lower classes to a degree of real life retribution for their vile thoughts on social media and thus reducing these things in open fora is a good thing, imho. I doubt truckdriver or roadhouse waitress will be out of work long and at a minimum they will be thinking twice about their posting behaviors. Hard to imagine these folks being introspective about these things, however.
Personally, I don't use twitter or any social media due to security paranoia, but I would be concerned about a slippery slope on other issues more controversial than dropping nbombs (controversial, meaning there is a more even split of strong opinions). I live and work in Texas, there are tons of fundamentalist Christians, pro lifers, 2nd amendments, anti gay marriage folks-what would stop a small group of people from targeting folks whose values are not inline with their employers? I would wager that only the cream of the crop in postings will actually get noticed by folks, but pro-lifers or peta or folks like that are as crazy/obsessive as they come.
I don't know, at the end of the day we give so much power to our employers in this country, and I'm not sure giving the employers control over our personal thoughts, even if aired through social media and searchable via google, is wise long term. That and I don't want to pay for welfare/healthcare for folks who are so stupid as to not use social media responsibly.
Subjecting the lower classes to a degree of real life retribution for their vile thoughts on social media and thus reducing these things in open fora is a good thing, imho. I doubt truckdriver or roadhouse waitress will be out of work long and at a minimum they will be thinking twice about their posting behaviors. Hard to imagine these folks being introspective about these things, however.
Personally, I don't use twitter or any social media due to security paranoia, but I would be concerned about a slippery slope on other issues more controversial than dropping nbombs (controversial, meaning there is a more even split of strong opinions). I live and work in Texas, there are tons of fundamentalist Christians, pro lifers, 2nd amendments, anti gay marriage folks-what would stop a small group of people from targeting folks whose values are not inline with their employers? I would wager that only the cream of the crop in postings will actually get noticed by folks, but pro-lifers or peta or folks like that are as crazy/obsessive as they come.
I don't know, at the end of the day we give so much power to our employers in this country, and I'm not sure giving the employers control over our personal thoughts, even if aired through social media and searchable via google, is wise long term. That and I don't want to pay for welfare/healthcare for folks who are so stupid as to not use social media responsibly.
Do you have an argument? You did not present one here.
Saying stupid shit in public to a public audience and geting fired seems to be the rule nowadays.
I don't really remember any hesitation or moral question on the gaming side controversy when Adam Oarth was saying stupid shit. "Who'd live there?" "Deal with it", etc.
Anyway, regardless, a lot of these racists live in the same state I live in and even the same city and VA is an AT WILL state which means you can be fired for ANY RESSON AT ALL and I think that being fired for being a racist shit (and extremely likely giving customers-employees preferential treatment based on their race) is much preferable than being fired for having piercings on your face or your hair colour.
EDIT btw, I don't approve of getting information through illicit means, that is wrong. But if the information is public and not via PM or DM or set to private racists should expect and even deserve the consequences for their stupidity to say racist things in view of a puic audience. Same goes for people that say they are going to harm someone. Aka Gaben steam valve controversy.
I don't really remember any hesitation or moral question on the gaming side controversy when Adam Oarth was saying stupid shit. "Who'd live there?" "Deal with it", etc.
Anyway, regardless, a lot of these racists live in the same state I live in and even the same city and VA is an AT WILL state which means you can be fired for ANY RESSON AT ALL and I think that being fired for being a racist shit (and extremely likely giving customers-employees preferential treatment based on their race) is much preferable than being fired for having piercings on your face or your hair colour.
EDIT btw, I don't approve of getting information through illicit means, that is wrong. But if the information is public and not via PM or DM or set to private racists should expect and even deserve the consequences for their stupidity to say racist things in view of a puic audience. Same goes for people that say they are going to harm someone. Aka Gaben steam valve controversy.
Do you believe in private justice? I don't. Clear enough?
And I personaly find that denouncing people because they said some stupid shit on the internet is awful, and a very dangerous trend.
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