What other pre alpha games should we compare it to, then?
Why does that bother you so much? Let people compare their games. If this does look a lot better in the final release, isn't that a good thing?
Hahahahaha, ok. Got it.
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Uncharted 4 Gameplay Demo [Up: Sony - Was running at 30 fps]
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What other pre alpha games should we compare it to, then?
Why does that bother you so much? Let people compare their games. If this does look a lot better in the final release, isn't that a good thing?
Hahahahaha, ok. Got it.
Well, I have played the first on ps3. I know, I know, graphical suck, but the core of the gameplay seems intact. I don't say it's bad, but I'm expected a more solid gameplay.
You're being ridiculous. I don't see how that opinion is considered out of the realm of sane opinions. Unity is widely recognized as being one of (if not THE) best looking game of the current "generation".
Have you seen Far Cry 4's HRAA in action? It's a little soft but cleans up almost all aliasing.
VFX_Veteran
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I don't ridicule their tech achievements. I've already stated I love some of their techniques. What I ridicule is the extreme bias that ND games are graphically superior to every other game out there regardless of platform (which it most certainly is not).
Yup, just realized it. Been too obsessed with this thread I naturally thought he talked about THIS thread
My badTheLostBigBoss
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Are we talking on the consoles, or a completely spec'ed out PC that would make my bank account cry?
But it has some artifacting/ghosting not present in Ryse or the UC4 demo. It's a better than average solution, especially taking performance into account, but I don't think it is as good as either of those two IQ-wise.
killatopak
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This thread is never going to come back to anything but the graphics so I might as well post this in agreement. The order's AA is awesome. Hope ND sticks with this.
The most beautiful game I have ever seen.
wow
Dictator93
Member
UC4 looks fantastic. I do not think people would ever say it looks bad.
It does work well but I think it ghosts too often @ 30fps.
VFX_Veteran
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Ryse
Alien: Isolation
Far Cry 4
Watch Dogs
Lords of the Fallen
Infamous: SS
Shall I add more?
DarkLordMalik
Member
I am skipping The Order 1886 videos because I don't wanna get spoiled. But damn, these GIFs are so PRETTY.
Does it really matter? The game is gorgeous in spite of IQ flaws on console; if that's the version he's referring to then its clear he values aesthetics, complexity and lighting more than anything. Still valid.
And a $700 PC won't make your bank account cry if you're fine with buying these consoles and their fairly expensive games.
RoyalLaFlame
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The Order looks better imo but ND still have some development time left. Still, not expecting that much big of a difference from this demo in terms of graphics, but I'm ok with it. I just want a new Uncharted
videogamephilosopher
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I am looking forward to playing a multiplayer variant of this play area. Nice verticality, the rope mechanic and sliding down angled areas to traverse levels could be a lot of fun.
dreamer3kx
Member
Umm it looks like next gen uncharted and thats awesome.
The ghosting is very minor, a lot less noticeable than SMAA T2x and the artifacts aren't visible in motion. It's still early and has some improvement but I think it has a lot of potential for a console AA solution.
VFX_Veteran
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The Order looks better imo but ND still have some development time left. Still, not expecting that much big of a difference from this demo in terms of graphics, but I'm ok with it. I just want a new Uncharted
The most down-to-earth comment yet in this thread. Good job!
I will repeat again : Psycho is pretty dead compared to Nathan's brother. Dead! Facial animations are dead!
LookAtMeGo
Member
I wouldnt be so sure about that. Sony even said its a bit early to be showing some things, one should expect some things not being perfect yet here we are, comparing it to complete products, pointing out minor discrepencies saying things like "these guys did it better".
gundamkyoukai
Member
Of course it matter , games on PC should look better it's one of the reason people invest in hardware .
If ACU on PC can't look better than a consoles game something would have to be wrong .
The gameplay was actually modified somewhat. They simplified it quite a bit.
shacklesmcgee
Member
Seriously?
killatopak
Gold Member
dat fps tho
TheLostBigBoss
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Oh yea, a $700 PC with a GTX 980 to max out the game and get a constant (near) 60 FPS.
What fantasy world are you living in?
Having complete raw power to diminish IQ flaws that the console version has isn't really a valid comparison to a console game.
Ah so you agree one can value certain parameters more than anything. In that case no opinion is hyperbolic because there is no objective set of rules determining what looks good. So next time dont be surprised if someone does feel UC4 looks better than AC unity.
Now with regards to the AC Unity vs Order. Yes I think AC Unity on consoles looks mediocre compared to this
Feel free to disagree.
VFX_Veteran
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That entire list was mostly PC games (with exception of ISS).
VFX_Veteran
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This is very simple to solve. Stop comparing a console game to a PC game. Period. Even if it's made from the Naughty Gods.
what video did you get this gifs from? it looks so cleanAh so you agree one can value certain parameters more than anything. In that case no opinion is hyperbolic because there is no objective set of rules determining what looks good. So next time dont be surprised if someone does feel UC4 looks better than AC unity.
Now with regards to the AC Unity vs Order. Yes I think AC Unity on consoles looks mediocre compared to this
Feel free to disagree.
martino
Member
And if it change we'll notice it and say damm they improve it a lot...
What's the problem with it ? You don't want to do it so other must not do it ?
TheLostBigBoss
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yes, that's the point I'm making.
Yet kinggroin seems to think it's a valid comparison.
Ah so you agree one can value certain parameters more than anything. In that case no opinion is hyperbolic because there is no objective set of rules determining what looks good. So next time dont be surprised if someone does feel UC4 looks better than AC unity.
Now with regards to the AC Unity vs Order. Yes I think AC Unity on consoles looks mediocre compared to this
Feel free to disagree.
To be fair just about everything looks mediocre when compared to The Order.
VFX_Veteran
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Ah so you agree one can value certain parameters more than anything. In that case no opinion is hyperbolic because there is no objective set of rules determining what looks good. So next time dont be surprised if someone does feel UC4 looks better than AC unity.
Now with regards to the AC Unity vs Order. Yes I think AC Unity on consoles looks mediocre compared to this
Feel free to disagree.
Looks to be the best looking game on consoles.. I can see all kinds of tech in those gifs. But this thread isn't about comparing UC4 to just console games. It's about comparing it to PC games at MAX settings and Avatar and Pixar films.
This thread isn't conceptualized as a comparison thread.
It's about the gameplay demo. That certain posters like to play shill for other games in this thread without having interest in this franchise does not change the original idea behind this thread: The discussion of gameplay footage for Uncharted 4.
gamerMan
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I think it is important to understand the modeling process Naughty Dog uses to craft their game. Naughty Dog always begins with a hi resolution sculpt built in Zbrush. I think on ps4, I heard these are million polygon plus models. They extract the normal map from this model. Later this information is applied to the low res model to transfer some of the details of the hi res model to the low res model. This hi res model is scaled down for the in game cut scenes.
Uncharted 3 used around 30,000 -50000 models for both cutscenes and realtime models. Naughty Dog uses the same model for the cut scenes and for the real time model so the transition is more seamless.
However, the lighting, texture resolution, and shadowing are dulled down for the in game model. What this means that while the real time model looks great when viewed from a certain distance away from the camera, the model loses detail as you get closer. They also LODs for entities other than Drake. These means as the camera is further away from the entity, it can be constructed with less detail to save resources.
While the modeling and assets look to be on the same level, it is pretty obvious the lighting and texture resolution is dialed down from the e3 teaser. It's great that most people won't notice as Naughty Dog has always hoped for this even with their previous games.
The original teaser's lighting and shadowing rivaled what you could achieve using Maya with Vray or MentalRay. Still in comparison to other games, it looks great especially with Naughty Dog's amazing facial animation.
Here is how each model looks like in each stage using Laz and Drake models for the previous Uncharted games.
Uncharted 3 used around 30,000 -50000 models for both cutscenes and realtime models. Naughty Dog uses the same model for the cut scenes and for the real time model so the transition is more seamless.
However, the lighting, texture resolution, and shadowing are dulled down for the in game model. What this means that while the real time model looks great when viewed from a certain distance away from the camera, the model loses detail as you get closer. They also LODs for entities other than Drake. These means as the camera is further away from the entity, it can be constructed with less detail to save resources.
While the modeling and assets look to be on the same level, it is pretty obvious the lighting and texture resolution is dialed down from the e3 teaser. It's great that most people won't notice as Naughty Dog has always hoped for this even with their previous games.
The original teaser's lighting and shadowing rivaled what you could achieve using Maya with Vray or MentalRay. Still in comparison to other games, it looks great especially with Naughty Dog's amazing facial animation.
Here is how each model looks like in each stage using Laz and Drake models for the previous Uncharted games.
StreetDisciple
Member
Is Nolan North playing both Nathan and his brother? It sounds like him on both characters.
I don't know, judging by some posts it seems the thread is more about complaining about the thread and acting above the other posters.
bananafactory
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I think it is important to understand the modeling process Naughty Dog uses to craft their game. Naughty Dog always begins with a hi resolution sculpt built in Zbrush. I think on ps4, I heard these are million polygon plus models. They extract the normal map from this model. Later this information is applied to the low res model to transfer some of the details of the hi res model to the low res model. This hi res model is scaled down for the in game cut scenes.
Uncharted 3 used around 30,000 -50000 models for both cutscenes and realtime models. Naughty Dog uses the same model for the cut scenes and for the real time model so the transition is more seamless.
However, the lighting, texture resolution, and shadowing are dulled down for the in game model. What this means that while the real time model looks great when viewed from a certain distance away from the camera, the model loses detail as you get closer. They also LODs for entities other than Drake. These means as the camera is further away from the entity, it can be constructed with less detail to save resources.
While the modeling and assets look to be on the same level, it is pretty obvious the lighting and texture resolution is dialed down from the e3 teaser. It's great that most people won't notice as Naughty Dog has always hoped for this even with their previous games.
The original teaser's lighting and shadowing rivaled what you could achieve using Maya with Vray or MentalRay. Still in comparison to other games, it looks great especially with Naughty Dog's amazing facial animation.
Here is how each model looks like in each stage using Laz and Drake models for the previous Uncharted games.
Thanks for the post. This is exactly what I figured was going on.
TheLostBigBoss
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Troy Baker is playing the brother.
Punished_Snake
Member
UC 4 looks great, but not mindblowing. Unity has better textures and Crysis 3 has better graphics overall (better foliage, better textures, better looking water) than UC4, but it's an unfair comparison because Crysis 3 is running on PC. As I have said, UC4 looks great, but it doesn't look better than all the graphical heavy weights in the market and it's not doing anything new or remarkable graphically. Just look at the textures in UC4, they lack detail and looks a bit flat. But the general look of the game is great.
gundamkyoukai
Member
But this was never a comparison thread .
The game also has 10 month more to go it's pre alpha .
I am surprise ND had the game running as good as it did so early .
Mr Moose
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Always-honest
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Well, my mind was blown. I watched the HD footage about ten times now.
Hyped as fuck.
XxRampage07xX
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This.
Uncharted 4 Gameplay Demo [Up: Sony - Was running at 30 fps]
Can everyone stop now?
You don't need a 980 to present Unity at NOT console quality IQ. I've already made it clear it looks fantastic as is, a simple render res of 1080p and solid 30fps solves a lot of problems introduced by the PS4 and Bone version.
Again. Its perfectly valid to say Xbox One version or PS4 version of Unity looks better to someone than say this current pre-alpha version of UC4 does.
This doesn't look like a mediocre game to me (Xbox One version):
Yeah, it ain't great...
You've managed to absolutely miss my point in defense of the guy being quoted. Read above man. Second time you've done this :-( Don't just quote me, press the arrow next to the quote and gain context.
Ah so you agree one can value certain parameters more than anything. In that case no opinion is hyperbolic because there is no objective set of rules determining what looks good. So next time dont be surprised if someone does feel UC4 looks better than AC unity.
Now with regards to the AC Unity vs Order. Yes I think AC Unity on consoles looks mediocre compared to this
Feel free to disagree.
What in the holy fuck are you talking about? WHO'S surprised? Not me! I said as much; it looks great considering how early it is. People are simply expressing subjective opinions with regards to visuals - you're the one acting ridiculous because this guy thinks Unity looks better.
You're being obtuse, maybe even on purpose so shame on me for falling for it. I won't any longer so consider this the last time we interact on this topic.
