Chmpocalypse
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Seems most gamers don't agree with your elitist views.
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How can Nintendo win back marketshare with their next home console?
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Seems most gamers don't agree with your elitist views.
AngryNapkin
Banned
That would take more money then even Nintendo has. An online infrastructure like modern PSN or Live would cost almost a billion dollars I'd imagine.
Something like an early PS3 PSN would still take hundreds of millions.
Chmpocalypse
Blizzard
Nailed it. Their arrogance, bolstered by their fanbase's concurrent snobby elitism, is killing them. It's why they're irrelevant now.
exactly. that audience is not the ps4 or xbox one audience.
i am interested in hearing more about how nintendo's snobby elitist fanbase is killing nintendo.
ChronotriggerJM
Member
Reading some of the replies in this thread gives me hope for a better Nintendo, and I really hope they can break out of their antiquated mentality. I believe the blue ocean is still vast, it's just harder to tap into. But they need to be more modern, find a way to embrace the connected nature of everything these days in a creative manner.
AngryNapkin
Banned
But it could be is what we are saying, all of the people who buy Nintendo products wouldn't stop just because it's on PS4/One.
I'd like to see some sort of break down on game sales of Nintendo IP broken down in percentages of each platforms base. (SNES, N64, Wii, etc.)
Maybe I'm stubborn but I simply cannot believe that kind of notion that a Super Mario Galaxy 3 would sell terrible on either of the other platforms.
In fact I'd be willing to go so far as to say that MK8 on PS4 would quadruple the Wii U sales of it were ported.
(Won't happen but still)
there's more to it than sales. you also have to consider risk. right now we see sega as a company that is not about to risk anything other than two franchises and persona 5 on the console market. they used to be a company that developed new ips because they had their own platform and own audience. they decided the printing schedules, earned way more money per game, and earned money on hardware. they didn't have to learn the architecture of the playstation or the n64. they could just make saturn games. when they did move development to the xbox, gamecube, and ps2, quality control took a rather noticeable hit. those years shortly after the dreamcast went under, sega saw a rather noted fall from grace. they had to rely harder on their more traditional franchises and cater to fanbases that might not have been actually theirs. that meant giving nintendo kiddy stuff, giving sony middle-of-the-road action stuff, and giving microsoft more hardcore and niche sega franchises.
this all happened to the detriment of the industry. we no longer have sega as a company that dictates their own vision of the industry. nintendo had the wii remote, microsoft had xbox live, and sony is working on morpheus. who knows what contributions sega might have had in 2015? who knows how many games might have been copied from their best-sellers, and what sort of platform sega might have had now?
nintendo developing for other platforms means that they have no other options left. this means they're not going to develop for a handheld and a third-party console. they seem to be fine doubling up on games when it's their own platforms. i highly doubt they would intentionally create a scenario where a consumer might ask why they would play super mario galaxy 3 on the 3ds 2 xl instead of the playstation 5: power to the players. no, they would simply develop for that one platform instead. the one where they could make the most money and have the most control. so realistically, the only way they develop for another platform is if there are no other options. if there are no other options, it means their games sell so poorly they no longer resonate with a crowd enough to buy their hardware to play their games. that's where i scoff at the idea that the audience would be really secretly on sony and microsoft consoles all along. i'm thinking about the long game and how it would realistically happen.
Roberto Larcos
Member
Sentimental bullshit.
The games industry needs Nintendo just about as much as it needed Atari or SEGA. Or as much as the mobile industry needed Nokia and Palm.
No-one is 'too big to fail' in tech. Sentimentality counts for nothing.
It's not a popularity contest, but the user ratings on Nintendo's products are often higher than the first party output of its competitors.
Probably in the same way that MMO zealots usually hurt the games they love more than helping them. This circle the wagons, we don't need you, mentality. The idea that Nintendo is infallible, doesn't need to change, that nothing is wrong doesn't actually help Nintendo at all.
Ovek
7Member7
Not calling it Wii would be a good fucking start.
If Nintendo went bankrupt today no one would care or notice tomorrow.
If Nintendo went bankrupt today no one would care or notice tomorrow.
They need third party support, but it doesn't have to be the normal players. Obviously if they can magically get EA/Activision/etc. back on board, more power to them, but an alternative is to do what iOS did; build your own third parties from the ground up, in your image. If the major, established players are slow or completely unwilling to build on your platform, then you need to build your own major, established players from scratch. When Take 2, Activision et. al largely ignored the iPhone, iOS basically said "fine, we'll do it without you," and it now has huge publishers like Super Cell and King built from the ground up, focused on their platform. The established publishers have made some moves towards iOS since then, but the market has been driven and grown by grass roots publishers.
So those are Nintendo's options; either figure out how to get the major console publishers back on board, or help foster the growth of new publishers which are more philosophically attuned to Nintendo's ecosystem rather than Sony/MS's. Neither will be easy.
So those are Nintendo's options; either figure out how to get the major console publishers back on board, or help foster the growth of new publishers which are more philosophically attuned to Nintendo's ecosystem rather than Sony/MS's. Neither will be easy.
Oddvintagechap
Member
Merge with Sony.
Apple and Disney are making a killing.
A Sony & Nintendo Company would keep mobile games at bay and make movies based on video games. Making Iron man and Angry Birds wet their pants.
Apple and Disney are making a killing.
A Sony & Nintendo Company would keep mobile games at bay and make movies based on video games. Making Iron man and Angry Birds wet their pants.
MegamanPoweredUP
Member
Maybe he's talking about the fact that Nintendo fanboy usually don't buy third party stuff.
And that's so true. I think I'm getting old, so I can't stand unpolished games anymore. When I buy a Nintendo game, I feel like it's a good investment. I can't say the same with other developers at all.
Nintendo have many IPs that "core" gamers like and want, but for some reason they wont make the most of them.
When they announce their next console:
How about all these with online multiplayer?
Wave Race
Excite Trucks
F-Zero
1080° Snowboarding
These are games, that attract many gamers, who are not so interested about Mario etc.
But it always seems to be more Mario, Pokemon, Zelda...
When they announce their next console:
How about all these with online multiplayer?
Wave Race
Excite Trucks
F-Zero
1080° Snowboarding
These are games, that attract many gamers, who are not so interested about Mario etc.
But it always seems to be more Mario, Pokemon, Zelda...
Truth bombs, truth bombs everywhere.
Rabid-Coot
Member
Maybe some of those didn't do as well as they hoped on the Gamecube but not trying stuff like Wave Race and 1080 on a console as successful as the Wii was feels like such a wasted opportunity.
Otakumegane
Member
They really have to communicate that different is better in a world people don't want different.
Hard shit. If they can't manage to do that they're pretty much screwed.
Hard shit. If they can't manage to do that they're pretty much screwed.
I think people really exaggerate the amount of care people have for Wave Race or Excite Trucks. Not that they don't have fanbases, but I heavily doubt those are the types of games that would bring in lots of new customers. Not to mention that they tend to rotate some of their lesser IP in and out ala Kid Icarus.
What's with people saying Nintendo is irrelevant? Sure they're not exactly the industry leader these days, but they're still incredibly important. Just this year Mario Kart 8 sold well over 4 million, and Smash and ORAS both sold over 9 million. Their Zelda license pushed a Musou game over a million. They had a huge breakout hit with Tomodachi Life. Sales wise they're still one of the strongest in the industry.
Not to mention if they went down the majority of the handheld market would disappear. It may be declining, but it's far from dead. An entire sector of the market being lost would be a serious blow to gaming. Not to mention companies like Capcom and Level 5 that are currently making most of their money on the 3DS. The industry very much wants and needs Nintendo, and Nintendo very much appreciates having the industry, even if they don't show it all that well at times.
What's with people saying Nintendo is irrelevant? Sure they're not exactly the industry leader these days, but they're still incredibly important. Just this year Mario Kart 8 sold well over 4 million, and Smash and ORAS both sold over 9 million. Their Zelda license pushed a Musou game over a million. They had a huge breakout hit with Tomodachi Life. Sales wise they're still one of the strongest in the industry.
Not to mention if they went down the majority of the handheld market would disappear. It may be declining, but it's far from dead. An entire sector of the market being lost would be a serious blow to gaming. Not to mention companies like Capcom and Level 5 that are currently making most of their money on the 3DS. The industry very much wants and needs Nintendo, and Nintendo very much appreciates having the industry, even if they don't show it all that well at times.
Petrae
Member
Nope. The industry is just fine with or without Nintendo in it. Companies die off all the time. There would be a sense of loss, of course, but there are still plenty of competitors out there who will take up the slack.
Nintendo fans need Nintendo. That's it.
PdotMichael
Banned
Looking at the sales, that's obvious
Sorcerer
Member
The thing is Nintendo fans are apt to buy Nintendo games because those games only appear on Nintendo systems.
Now suddenly Mario appears on a system where gamers have a choice of not only Nintendo software, but Sony/Microsoft first party, and other third parties.
Nintendo's games would get lost in the mix and the specialness of their games would be lost forever.
Nintendo would struggle on other platforms, never mind the fact that the quality of games would drop if they had to design for multiple platforms, we would have to deal with less than perfect Nintendo games, glitchy and buggy, wait for a patch to fix them.
Rising_Hei
Member
Nintendo can no longer win back home console market, imo... console market went to a way that nintendo doesn't like, so they will be either a totally different sheep that's a living proof of older times or just give up.
This, of course, if nintendo doesn't make a turnaround and changes the console scheme once again, which i find it harder to accomplish as time goes on.
This, of course, if nintendo doesn't make a turnaround and changes the console scheme once again, which i find it harder to accomplish as time goes on.
Sony knows nothing in my opinion, they have just the luck that the PlayStation brand is at the moment in! The only reason why Sony sold more consoles in my opinion is that the PlayStation brand is now in, it's just like with Apple, everyone buys Apple products now because they are in, and it's the same with the PlayStation brand!
Edit:
Unlike Apple, PlayStation has been "in" for two decades now while Nintendo, save for the Wii, completely fell out of the home console picture.
Petrae
Member
While it would be disappointing to some if the dedicated handheld market "disappeared", mobile platforms ease a lot of that "serious blow". Capcom and Level 5 would adapt to the end of dedicated handhelds and move to tablets & smartphones instead of throwing their collective hands up and saying, "We're screwed!"
Not that the complete collapse of the dedicated handheld market wouldn't sting, but it's not like there aren't other portable gaming options... nor is it likely that publishers would just walk away from portable gaming entirely. The industry would find a way, much like it would if Nintendo was to go belly up.
Capcom and Level 5 specifically have made serious attempts on the mobile market that have amounted to little relative return. Not everyone would survive the transition, not everyone can adapt.
Roberto Larcos
Member
Handheld is a niche now. I'd expect that sector to go the way of the NVIDIA Shield - open platform, easy to develop for, costs only coming down, plenty of chance for other OEMs to come in and drive prices down.
That said, while I think that Nintendo should really be having second thoughts about continuing in the home console space, I'd expect them to keep going with handheld. Virtually no competition, high margins, low development costs for their first party games.
To really get rid of the "kiddy" image they'ed probably have to pivot from Mario and Pokemon being the image of Nintendo, they could still make them, but not treat them as the central games. That would probably have to fall to Zelda and Metroid. Obviously they'ed also have to risk the less successful games that verbatimo mentioned and push them to secondary levels at the same level Zelda and Metroid now have and Mario will be pushed down to.
Doing all this will still be an uphill battle because stuck ideas are hard to dislodge quickly. They could have kept building off what the N64 did, back then having Mario as a central figure wasn't automatically a negative as cartoony platformers were still "cool." The stumble on the GC put them way behind the game on getting the western teen to young adult male audience. The question is is getting that audience back harder and more lucrative then getting the causal audience back or finding yet another new audience? I have no clue.
Doing all this will still be an uphill battle because stuck ideas are hard to dislodge quickly. They could have kept building off what the N64 did, back then having Mario as a central figure wasn't automatically a negative as cartoony platformers were still "cool." The stumble on the GC put them way behind the game on getting the western teen to young adult male audience. The question is is getting that audience back harder and more lucrative then getting the causal audience back or finding yet another new audience? I have no clue.
Cross-buy between the new mobile and console would give a large marketshare for 3rd parties to target
Nintendoize third party IPs. A Call of Duty that's cartoony and cute rather than ugly downgraded teaxtures. Put those on other consoles as well. We're already seeing devs going small team with high reward. Blizzard's Overwatch and Hearthstone for example.
Nintendoize third party IPs. A Call of Duty that's cartoony and cute rather than ugly downgraded teaxtures. Put those on other consoles as well. We're already seeing devs going small team with high reward. Blizzard's Overwatch and Hearthstone for example.
hydragonwarrior
Member
A successful scenario for Nintendo would be, somehow:
- Nintendo gets GTA6 exclusively
- Nintendo ALSO has the strongest console for next gen
There's a game that everyone wants and I can actually see gamers making the leap to Nintendo. Nintendo has to pull back on their family friendly image and go back to their SNES days where they just let third parties do their thing and they did theirs.
Of course, both of the above happening seem like it'll happen at the same time Dreamcast 2 is announced but that is one way Nintendo can win back marketshare... and win even.
- Nintendo gets GTA6 exclusively
- Nintendo ALSO has the strongest console for next gen
There's a game that everyone wants and I can actually see gamers making the leap to Nintendo. Nintendo has to pull back on their family friendly image and go back to their SNES days where they just let third parties do their thing and they did theirs.
Of course, both of the above happening seem like it'll happen at the same time Dreamcast 2 is announced but that is one way Nintendo can win back marketshare... and win even.
outunderthestars
Banned
I think that Nintendo could move the needle by making a good account system. Then base your next console and handheld around the idea of cross save/cross buy functionality. Keep the specs and prices on the lower end of the spectrum, and then lean into the indie scene as much as possible.
Use some of that massive stockpile of cash to create teams to help finance and port indie games with a shorter turnaround than Sony and MS. This would give Nintendo something besides first party games as a marketing advantage.
It wouldn't solve all of their problems, but it would give them some unique things to market to the core audience.
Use some of that massive stockpile of cash to create teams to help finance and port indie games with a shorter turnaround than Sony and MS. This would give Nintendo something besides first party games as a marketing advantage.
It wouldn't solve all of their problems, but it would give them some unique things to market to the core audience.
TouchMyBox
Member
By making their next home console their next handheld console.
boyshine
Member
Or go completely opposite.
Launch a year after PS5 while there are still no great games for it, with huge first and third party exclusives, and full B/C with Wii U. Be cheaper, while equally powerful, and address whatever negative issue people have with the competing consoles at the time.
Use the coming years just pumping out quality games for Wii U, build the digital retro library by adding more Wii games, and add N64 to the Wii U VC with native 1080p resolution. Then bring GameCube and Dreamcast as well.
Mass_Pincup
Banned
Sony knows nothing in my opinion, they have just the luck that the PlayStation brand is at the moment in! The only reason why Sony sold more consoles in my opinion is that the PlayStation brand is now in, it's just like with Apple, everyone buys Apple products now because they are in, and it's the same with the PlayStation brand!
Edit:
I which that was the case, that would mean the Vita would have been a success.
Super Nintendo System
Traditional Controls ie sticks, buttons etc (similar to Wii Remote) with motion capability built in, they should capitalise on that Wii market again but try to retain traditional control systems button-wise.
Power equivalent to Xbox One and PS4. Depending on time of release, if it's 5 years away, should be significantly more powerful.
Same great 1st party games.
Traditional Controls ie sticks, buttons etc (similar to Wii Remote) with motion capability built in, they should capitalise on that Wii market again but try to retain traditional control systems button-wise.
Power equivalent to Xbox One and PS4. Depending on time of release, if it's 5 years away, should be significantly more powerful.
Same great 1st party games.
outunderthestars
Banned
I'd be ok with that. What I want is the ability for devs to make a quick handheld port that I can buy and keep consistent progress states between console and handheld. I would buy both of their new systems on day one if that were to happen.
geordiemp
Member
Agree. I don't own a WiiU, but when I played Wii my fav game was excite truck. Some good games you list there, played excite truck for weeks, MK Wii I got bored after a few hours. Too many platformers and fixed camera games on WiiU....
This is a great post. Everybody will loose if Nintendo goes thirdparty - and nothing more than creativity - which is why its so important that they manage to stay in the console buisness.
chertipros
Member
I honestly think its too late for Nintendo to re capture the hardcore fans and lapsed fans. Going forward they need to prioritize creating a New generation of young fans and being at the forefront in emerging markets
HaterIsHating
Member
Imo this won't help at all. Even if third parties will get back on board with their ports for the new N-console, they won't make use of the excess power of the console:
X1 / PS4 will have a huge player base by then, while the "Nintendo 7" starts at 0. EA, Ubisoft, Activision etc. won't put any effort into the Nintendo-Version of the game, as it doesn't pay off - Why would they put extra effort in the one console that not only has the smallest player base but also had historically the smallest one? Nintendo would get a 1:1 port of the PS4 version (if possible) - and now, why exactly should a PS4/X1 player change to the new Nintendo console? They will wait 2 years for the next gen PS5/X2, and by then, the Nintendo 7 will already be outdated - again.
Imho, if they really want to compete on the "high tech" level, there are two possibilities
1. Anticipate the new specs of PS5 and X2 and release at about the same time with a lower price or slightly better specs, this is though
2. Wait for PS5 and X2 and wait a year to anticipate the market leader. Copy the specs as well as possible to make it as easy as possible for third parties to port their games to the Nintendo console.
The problem is that the Wii U has such a small player base and Nintendo has such a bad reputation regarding third parties, that even if Nintendo had the strongest console (spec wise) I wouldn't take it for granted that third party titles happen. Nintendo really is in a bad spot. They imho have two possibilities:
a. Go for low cost / low tech / niche - and say goodbye to third parties
b. Join the party and copy the competition to regain access to third parties (see 1. or 2. how this could work)
I'm sure they will go for a
HaterIsHating makes a good point. Nintendo really does seem to be in a tight spot no matter what direction they try to steer into. Going the direct competitive path seems to not even be an option Nintendo would consider given all their comments indicating their desire to remain unique and not wanting nor caring about what Sony and Microsoft do.
semiconscious
Member
this:
or this:
i don't see any future in a tv-based console that can't match the competition, hardware-wise, & thereby get the support of third-party titles. & i don't see nintendo being prepared to release a hardware-competitive console...
&, no, another 'gimmick' won't do it, either ...
or this:
i don't see any future in a tv-based console that can't match the competition, hardware-wise, & thereby get the support of third-party titles. & i don't see nintendo being prepared to release a hardware-competitive console...
&, no, another 'gimmick' won't do it, either
...I dont know if merging with a company that is loosing money on almost everything would be a good idea. Maybe if Sony would spin off the Playstation-division, it could work in tandem with Nintendo, but the whole off Sony wouldnt work.
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