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[xenorevlis]

What the? I don't even.

This is the product of metacritic and arbitrary scoring systems.

 

[XxRampage07xX]

I dont know how people get numbers for stuff like this.

What the? I don't even.

Wait wait! That was just my opinion. From what I've seen, I would score a better score than that if I were a reviewer.

And it was just my assumption based on his impressions. There's no need to take it seriously.

 

[BabyFaceKillah]

I dont know how people get numbers for stuff like this.

What the? I don't even.

he just threw out some random numbers no need to get upset over it.

 

[Verendus]

I wasn't clear enough.
Not the entire gameplay aspect is on par with killzone.
Only the encounters in terms of level design and weapon placement.
Everything else with the order gameplay was solid.

That's what I was assuming. Shadow Fall was pretty solid at its core in my eyes in terms of weight, control, and mechanics, but the surrounding elements in the gameplay are sloppy (such as the encounters you mentioned for example), especially in terms of how they all come together. That's kind of what holds it back in that particular department. I don't think they're interpreting it like that though, and are instead isolating that one comment to think the gameplay is like Shadow Fall. Now depending on how they feel about Shadow Fall, and how you feel about Shadow Fall, that comment can take different meanings. But if you really don't like Shadow Fall, you're instantly going to take caution, which is what they seemed to do.

It's kind of meaningless in my eyes, since gameplay is a sum of many different aspects (mechanics, level design, encounter design and variety, weapons variety) and the most important aspect is how it all comes together in the campaign itself in terms of execution.

 

[Loudninja]

he just threw out some random numbers no need to get upset over it.

Who is getting upset?

 

[Alkastelca]

Well here are my final impressions for the game, i'll review parts of the game in different categories , then the overall experience and summary.
I'll try to sum up everything as much as I can.

How's the replay value ?
Are there any unlockable modes or outfits ?
Can you replay beginning chapters with weapons & gadgets that were not available first time ?

 

[Theman2k]

That's what I was assuming. Shadow Fall was pretty solid at its core in my eyes in terms of weight, control, and mechanics, but the surrounding elements in the gameplay are sloppy (such as the encounters you mentioned for example), especially in terms of how they all come together. That's kind of what holds it back in that particular department. I don't think they're interpreting it like that though, and are instead isolating that one comment to think the gameplay is like Shadow Fall.

Now depending on how they feel about Shadow Fall, and how you feel about Shadow Fall, that comment can take different meanings. But if you really don't like Shadow Fall, you're instantly going to take caution, which is what they seemed to do.

You understand me 100%.
Once they read KZ they got afraid.

 

[lovely ladies]

I wasn't clear enough.
Not the entire gameplay aspect is on par with killzone.
Only the encounters in terms of level design and weapon placement.
Everything else with the order gameplay was solid.

Nice detailed write up man, just want to give you some kudos.

 

[thuway]

You understand me 100%.
Once they read KZ they got afraid.

You really should make a better comparison because I don't think you have any idea how polarized people are about Shadow Fall. There are people all over the net scowering the web for impressions, and some people who are frothing at the mouth to shit on this game (as they've been for months).

I thank you for your honesty, but you should clarify, and it would be great if you gave your own personal numbered score.

 

[Ishan]

Well here are my final impressions for the game, i'll review parts of the game in different categories , then the overall experience and summary.
-snip-

sounds like nd uncharted , solid first game and good start. sequel should be stellar.

 

[Machinehead]

So much Wolfenstein love <3
It makes me want to replay it on Über, but I'm too much of a pussy for such difficulty.

I haven't played Shadow Fall yet, but, even with all the bad rep it gets, I still want to. I love Guerrilla's art and feel of the controls. I'm just waiting for a really cheap price - which here in Brazil, with the dollar so expensive and physical being extremely taxed, is not gonna be easy.

 

[Sn4ke_911]

thuway you played the game already?

 

[thuway]

thuway you played the game already?

Nope, just reading GAF- and, I just wanted to dispel the myth about the whole "it's 4 hours long and it is a movie!". I've been trying to get impressions as much as possible and been pming everyone I know who has the game.

And to be clear, my biggest "concern" is the amoutn of gameplay to cutscene to legnth ratio. So I'm mostly trying to dispel any mythos that "RAD presents A David Cage Production".

 

[orthodoxy1095]

I thank you for your honesty, but you should clarify, and it would be great if you gave your own personal numbered score.

Bleugh. Scores. A "buy" or "don't buy" recommendation is enough.

 

[bananafactory]

So much Wolfenstein love <3
It makes me want to replay it on Über, but I'm too much of a pussy for such difficulty.

I haven't played Shadow Fall yet, but, even with all the bad rep it gets, I still want to. I love Guerrilla's art and feel of the controls. I'm just waiting for a really cheap price - which here in Brazil, with the dollar so expensive and physical being extremely taxed, is not gonna be easy.

I liked ShadowFall, I think it has a poor opening (first few chapters) but the middle part was quite good. Storytelling is kind of poor but the premise is interesting, they just needed better writers.

If anything it's worth it just to experience the visual showcase and set piece moments, definitely was one hell of a way to kick off the current gen for me.

 

[Ishan]

You really should make a better comparison because I don't think you have any idea how polarized people are about Shadow Fall. There are people all over the net scowering the web for impressions, and some people who are frothing at the mouth to shit on this game (as they've been for months).

I thank you for your honesty, but you should clarify, and it would be great if you gave your own personal numbered score.

meh everyone has different scoring levels/systems. i think the review was good enough doenst need a score cause then ppl will assume its ign scoring scale or giant bomb etc etc

 

[ProfessorMoran]

Well here are my final impressions for the game, i'll review parts of the game in different categories , then the overall experience and summary.
I'll try to sum up everything as much as I can.

Graphics:
Technical marvel. True next-gen experience, on all fronts.
No loading times, super silky smooth frame rate (you all be surprised how smooth it is), no graphic glitches, amazing and consistent art all around.
A lot of times it's hard for you to grasp it's even a game running real time.
Black bars didn't really filled their job.
Making transitions back to gameplay already done better in games like MGS. They downgraded from the experience, from gameplay side and from art side.

Sound:
True 1886 era fitted music, amazing score and theme.
Voice acting is top notch all around.
Were moments I was surprised the developers added some of the sounds you usually don't hear while interacting with the environment.
The theme really works and sticks with you, other times though really good music kicks in but can be forgettable easily.

Menu and UI:
Menu is on the light side, something I like.
It's easy to navigate, and to understand and looks good.
Only thing that comes to mind on the bad side, is the weapon selection UI.
It's too big and centered in the middle of the screen, not very good while action is going.
No option to change button layouts is a big negative.

Pacing and story:
Starts really slow, the intro stays it's welcome way too much.
And on top of bad paced intro, it comes instead of good exposition that I felt lacking most of the game.
The story starts to pick up from late middle of the game, but when it does it grabs you so hard it makes you want to continue playing nonstop. Really emotional and good, something a lot of games having hard time to achieve.
Characters are really believable and make strong impact.
Sometimes the story kicks you to some places, which you wander what happened between the last cut scene to the next. I felt out of place when it happened, it felt unnatural to the flow of the game.
Sadly the game ends way too quick after the story really shines and makes you feel you deserved more.

Gameplay:
Odd design and gameplay decisions plague this game.
Basic cover and stealth mechanics makes a solid shooting encounters.
It also fails to explain in depth cover mechanics like camera bias (which is off by default) and corner cover switching, taking into account the game has a very long intro to introduce them.
You actually use some of the weapons once or twice the entire game. Made me wish I could use them more in the first time playing.
Setting up encounters in terms of level design and weapon placement can be better.
It's on par with KillZone SF right now.
QTE's in the game strike me as a failure from the gameplay design aspect for making better shooting encounters and "boos battles". Like Far Cry 3.

Overall:
Game is AAA with high production values, I don't think the negative outweighs the positive.
In a sense it's more of a journey, a really good and polished one we must endure till a sequel that will make good on gameplay without any black bars.
Is it worth the price of admission now? Yes.
There's nothing else like it on the market now, the wow factor is really big.
And if we put aside the wow factor, it's still a good polished story driven game with production values trough the roof.
Granted if you played uncharted or gears, there's a lot of room this game doesn't deliver, but overall it's something you can't allow yourself not to experience.

The order 1886, is really a new mascot for SONY. Just not too shiny.

Do you find that they should have stayed away from cutting away too much from gameplay camera to cutscene/QTE camera angles and treat stealth/melee the same way that TLOU did?

Did you find the levels not having enough line-of-sight breaking objects that would allow you to flank/regroup when it comes to combat? Do you find the combat area too small in general?

 

[Quotient]

I really enjoy story-driven games and the Order looks to deliver!

It also gives me Uncharted vibes in terms of the first game being great which sets up for an amazing sequel!

 

[BabyFaceKillah]

Who is getting upset?

clearly not you

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

Well here are my final impressions for the game, i'll review parts of the game in different categories , then the overall experience and summary.
I'll try to sum up everything as much as I can.

Graphics:
Technical marvel. True next-gen experience, on all fronts.
No loading times, super silky smooth frame rate (you all be surprised how smooth it is), no graphic glitches, amazing and consistent art all around.
A lot of times it's hard for you to grasp it's even a game running real time.
Black bars didn't really filled their job.
Making transitions back to gameplay already done better in games like MGS. They downgraded from the experience, from gameplay side and from art side.

Sound:
True 1886 era fitted music, amazing score and theme.
Voice acting is top notch all around.
Were moments I was surprised the developers added some of the sounds you usually don't hear while interacting with the environment.
The theme really works and sticks with you, other times though really good music kicks in but can be forgettable easily.

Menu and UI:
Menu is on the light side, something I like.
It's easy to navigate, and to understand and looks good.
Only thing that comes to mind on the bad side, is the weapon selection UI.
It's too big and centered in the middle of the screen, not very good while action is going.
No option to change button layouts is a big negative.

Pacing and story:
Starts really slow, the intro stays it's welcome way too much.
And on top of bad paced intro, it comes instead of good exposition that I felt lacking most of the game.
The story starts to pick up from late middle of the game, but when it does it grabs you so hard it makes you want to continue playing nonstop. Really emotional and good, something a lot of games having hard time to achieve.
Characters are really believable and make strong impact.
Sometimes the story kicks you to some places, which you wander what happened between the last cut scene to the next. I felt out of place when it happened, it felt unnatural to the flow of the game.
Sadly the game ends way too quick after the story really shines and makes you feel you deserved more.

Gameplay:
Odd design and gameplay decisions plague this game.
Basic cover and stealth mechanics makes a solid shooting encounters.
It also fails to explain in depth cover mechanics like camera bias (which is off by default) and corner cover switching, taking into account the game has a very long intro to introduce them.
You actually use some of the weapons once or twice the entire game. Made me wish I could use them more in the first time playing.
Setting up encounters in terms of level design and weapon placement can be better.
It's on par with KillZone SF right now.
QTE's in the game strike me as a failure from the gameplay design aspect for making better shooting encounters and "boos battles". Like Far Cry 3.

Overall:
Game is AAA with high production values, I don't think the negative outweighs the positive.
In a sense it's more of a journey, a really good and polished one we must endure till a sequel that will make good on gameplay without any black bars.
Is it worth the price of admission now? Yes.
There's nothing else like it on the market now, the wow factor is really big.
And if we put aside the wow factor, it's still a good polished story driven game with production values trough the roof.
Granted if you played uncharted or gears, there's a lot of room this game doesn't deliver, but overall it's something you can't allow yourself not to experience.

The order 1886, is really a new mascot for SONY. Just not too shiny.

Thanks for making such detailed impressions.
The Killzone SF thing seems odd though since I can't figure out what they could possibly have in common. Plus I really kind of hated that game so that is a bad sign.

You understand me 100%.
Once they read KZ they got afraid.

Ha yeah I definitely did since I actually think I enjoyed Ryse more than KZ SF.

 

[Loudninja]

Thanks for the impressions everyone.

 

[Lifejumper]

His impressions are pretty positive.. Weird comparison with killzone tho. Thanks for the review.

 

[Verendus]

You understand me 100%.
Once they read KZ they got afraid.

That's one of the pitfalls in giving detailed impressions. You've played it, they haven't. So unless you go out of your way to explain everything in detail, it's easy for people to take a couple of harmless comments and add too much meaning to them which you might not have intended. Your overall impressions paint a pretty good picture for example, which seemed to go ignored.

 

[Dynamite Ringo Matsuri]

Personally I can forgive mediocre gameplay if the story is compelling enough. Unfortunately for Killzone: Shadowfall I couldn't remember anything that happened in that game if my life depended on it. The KZ comparison doesn't worry me at all.

KZSF was one of the few games I've ever traded in without finishing. Gorgeous game, but I found it to be utterly, utterly dull. Gonna wait it out for the dust to settle on The Order. A few stray impressions is just not enough given how diverse people's tastes are and what they prioritize in games. I imagine this game will overall be very polarizing from what's been said of it so far. It looks gorgeous and I really dig the setting/premise though, so I'm cautiously optimistic

 

[Sn4ke_911]

Well here are my final impressions for the game, i'll review parts of the game in different categories , then the overall experience and summary.
I'll try to sum up everything as much as I can.

Graphics:
Technical marvel. True next-gen experience, on all fronts.
No loading times, super silky smooth frame rate (you all be surprised how smooth it is), no graphic glitches, amazing and consistent art all around.
A lot of times it's hard for you to grasp it's even a game running real time.
Black bars didn't really filled their job.
Making transitions back to gameplay already done better in games like MGS. They downgraded from the experience, from gameplay side and from art side.

Sound:
True 1886 era fitted music, amazing score and theme.
Voice acting is top notch all around.
Were moments I was surprised the developers added some of the sounds you usually don't hear while interacting with the environment.
The theme really works and sticks with you, other times though really good music kicks in but can be forgettable easily.

Menu and UI:
Menu is on the light side, something I like.
It's easy to navigate, and to understand and looks good.
Only thing that comes to mind on the bad side, is the weapon selection UI.
It's too big and centered in the middle of the screen, not very good while action is going.
No option to change button layouts is a big negative.

Pacing and story:
Starts really slow, the intro stays it's welcome way too much.
And on top of bad paced intro, it comes instead of good exposition that I felt lacking most of the game.
The story starts to pick up from late middle of the game, but when it does it grabs you so hard it makes you want to continue playing nonstop. Really emotional and good, something a lot of games having hard time to achieve.
Characters are really believable and make strong impact.
Sometimes the story kicks you to some places, which you wander what happened between the last cut scene to the next. I felt out of place when it happened, it felt unnatural to the flow of the game.
Sadly the game ends way too quick after the story really shines and makes you feel you deserved more.

Gameplay:
Odd design and gameplay decisions plague this game.
Basic cover and stealth mechanics makes a solid shooting encounters.
It also fails to explain in depth cover mechanics like camera bias (which is off by default) and corner cover switching, taking into account the game has a very long intro to introduce them.
You actually use some of the weapons once or twice the entire game. Made me wish I could use them more in the first time playing.
Setting up encounters in terms of level design and weapon placement can be better.
It's on par with KillZone SF right now.
QTE's in the game strike me as a failure from the gameplay design aspect for making better shooting encounters and "boos battles". Like Far Cry 3.

Overall:
Game is AAA with high production values, I don't think the negative outweighs the positive.
In a sense it's more of a journey, a really good and polished one we must endure till a sequel that will make good on gameplay without any black bars.
Is it worth the price of admission now? Yes.
There's nothing else like it on the market now, the wow factor is really big.
And if we put aside the wow factor, it's still a good polished story driven game with production values trough the roof.
Granted if you played uncharted or gears, there's a lot of room this game doesn't deliver, but overall it's something you can't allow yourself not to experience.

The order 1886, is really a new mascot for SONY. Just not too shiny.

How long did it take you to finish the game?

 

[orthodoxy1095]

I liked ShadowFall, I think it has a poor opening (first few chapters) but the middle part was quite good. Storytelling is kind of poor but the premise is interesting, they just needed better writers.

If anything it's worth it just to experience the visual showcase and set piece moments, definitely was one hell of a way to kick off the current gen for me.

The KZ premise has always been pretty awesome. They just need some writing chops to back that premise up. Agreed with the last part too. It was my first game of the gen, bundled with my Christmas-day PS4. Was it a masterpiece? No, but it was neat to see what this gen might do. At the least, The Order will do that as well.

 

[Kaze2212]

How long did it take you to finish the game?

He said around 12-13 hours. iirc

 

[Theman2k]

How's the replay value ?
Are there any unlockable modes or outfits ?
Can you replay beginning chapters with weapons & gadgets that were not available first time ?

Can't seem to find new game plus, if it's there.
No unlocks that i saw.
And i can't seem to be able to replay a chapter with weapons there weren't available the first time.

Aside for trophy cleanup there isn't much left, maybe i miss it. like i missed the camera bias in the settings.

 

[matrixman92]

got my gamefly account setup today...hope to be playing this next friday. Sounds and looks good.

 

[Sn4ke_911]

He said around 12-13 hours. iirc

Thanks.

 

[loaf of bread]

Guys. Stop getting hung up on the Killzone comment. It isn't what he meant.

 

[thuway]

Can't seem to find new game plus, if it's there.
No unlocks that i saw.
And i can't seem to be able to replay a chapter with weapons there weren't available the first time.

Aside for trophy cleanup there isn't much left, maybe i miss it. like i missed the camera bias in the settings.

If you could compare narrative impact, what game would you compare it to? Does it reach Uncharted, Bioshock, Last of Us levels?

 

[farisr]

How long did it take you to finish the game?

Just finished it this moment, played it on hard.
I always change the setting before I start the games for the first time.

How many hours ? I don't know exactly i think it's around 12.5-13.5 hours.
No way near the stupid rumors that plagued the developers said.

.

 

[bananafactory]

Can't seem to find new game plus, if it's there.
No unlocks that i saw.
And i can't seem to be able to replay a chapter with weapons there weren't available the first time.

Aside for trophy cleanup there isn't much left, maybe i miss it. like i missed the camera bias in the settings.

Someone before mentioned an "Armoury" option in the menu. They thought it might be for equipping diff costumes and stuff. Have you seen anything like that?

 

[RK9039]

Read it in the context of his overall impressions. He's commenting on gameplay specifically, and for all you know, he probably thinks Shadow Fall is somewhat solid in that aspect whilst a bit sloppy. I'd never think to make that comparison since it seems quite strange to try and compare an FPS to a TPS, but Shadow Fall is near the bottom for me in terms of games I've played on current gen, whilst The Order is right at the top. I also don't really like FPS though.

He also says this:

That's true. I do take on board everything else, however Shadow Fall is one of the worst games I've played recently so it stood out to me.

I'm getting The Order regardless, I was born in Whitechapel and I just want to know if I can see my house.

 

[Verendus]

The KZ premise has always been pretty awesome. They just need some writing chops to back that premise up.

I always felt they should've put us in the shoes of some kind of half-Helghast ninja as the protagonist. The protagonists in that game are dull, and it translates into the story itself, since there's not a whole lot you can explore from that angle. A half-Helghast on the other hand, and you already have decent material to create conflict from.

 

[Definity]

He said around 12-13 hours. iirc

12 - 13? That's better than I expected. Any news on new game+ after you beat it?

 

[jmaine_ph]

I wasn't clear enough.
Not the entire gameplay aspect is on par with killzone.
Only the encounters in terms of level design and weapon placement.
Everything else with the order gameplay was solid.

No you were very clear these guys just overreact lol.

 

[loaf of bread]

I always felt they should've put us in the shoes of some kind of half-Helghast ninja as the protagonist. The protagonists in that game are dull, and it translates into the story itself, since there's not a whole lot you can explore from that angle. A half-Helghast on the other hand, and you already have decent material to create conflict from.

? Sort of?

 

[Theman2k]

Someone before mentioned an "Armoury" option in the menu. They thought it might be for equipping diff costumes and stuff. Have you seen anything like that?

It is there, but i can't pick it.
maybe it's for the pre-order dlc stuff. i don't know.

 

[viveks86]

Completely off topic, but I just got $1000 dollars and first class upgrades from delta for staying back in Boston for 2 more nights. Guess I'm gonna be spending a lot more on expensive beer this weekend!

 

[Gestault]

I always felt they should've put us in the shoes of some kind of half-Helghast ninja as the protagonist. The protagonists in that game are dull, and it translates into the story itself, since there's not a whole lot you can explore from that angle. A half-Helghast on the other hand, and you already have decent material to create conflict from.

Have you had the chance to play SF? They basically attempted that there with Maya. It was just a really ham-fisted execution on it, just in terms of story. You could imagine the writers waiting for the audience to gasp when they kept pointing out "but BOTH sides can be monsters!" I had high hopes because of the obvious Israeli/Palestinian conflict parallels. That was a bummer.

 

[bananafactory]

? Sort of?

I would love a sequel where you play as Echo. She was the best character in that game by far

 

[Y2Kev]

Verendus was the director on Shadowfall. And the level designer and he also was the crotch artist on Mass Effect 3.

 

[Calcium]

Aside for trophy cleanup there isn't much left, maybe i miss it. like i missed the camera bias in the settings.

What percentage did you finish the game with? How much time do you think it will take to platinum?

 

[orthodoxy1095]

I always felt they should've put us in the shoes of some kind of half-Helghast ninja as the protagonist. The protagonists in that game are dull, and it translates into the story itself, since there's not a whole lot you can explore from that angle. A half-Helghast on the other hand, and you already have decent material to create conflict from.

Very true, that would have opened up a world of possibilities!

 

[Gestault]

I would love a sequel where you play as Echo. She was the best character in that game by far

Still had nothing on the Vektan bodyguard from Mercenary. Such a great character, for Killzone or otherwise.

 

[thuway]

I always felt they should've put us in the shoes of some kind of half-Helghast ninja as the protagonist. The protagonists in that game are dull, and it translates into the story itself, since there's not a whole lot you can explore from that angle. A half-Helghast on the other hand, and you already have decent material to create conflict from.

The issue with Shadow Fall wasn't so much the story, the story was servicable, it was how the last 1/3rd of the game was put together.

Some levels were all of a sudden introducing insta-death mechanics, awkward unexplained "things to do" scenarios, and purely broken level design. That game needed a lot more time in the oven, but the foundation and beauty- it was there.

 

[bananafactory]

Still had nothing on the Vektan bodyguard from Mercenary. Such a great character, for Killzone or otherwise.

Oh man I forgot about that. I know people are tired of KZ but I really hope Cambridge gets a shot at it on ps4.

 

[Y2Kev]

I'd bet that's what Cambridge is working on.