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The Order 1886 | Impressions Thread of not shooting the messenger.

msdstc

Incredibly Naive
Somehow this doesn't sound good.

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I'm just sharing my thoughts I really am giving my perspective, and it can be seen as negative or detrimental, but this game will review poorly/mediocre. You can bookmark this post if you'd like and I'll be glad to eat crow, but this game will finish in the 70s at best, mid to low 60s is also possible though.
 
Here's a bit of advice for anyone who is worried about the linear, cinematic nature of the game: Imagine The Order is one half of a big gaming pie. The other half is Bloodborne.

Consider it the best of both worlds.

lol this might be the stupidest, nonsensical argument for the game i've heard

"don't be worried about the length of this game, there's another game that's even longer so it's all good"
 

Pandy

Member
Personally, I think it harkens back to Metal Gear Solid in terms of pacing, to Killzone 2 for its gunplay theatricality, and to Vanquish, for its replayability

These are STRONG words, but without much substance to them.
Would you care to expand on these, especially pacing and replayability?
(I haven't played Killzone 2 so can't make a comparison there.)
 

Nameless

Member
Man I'm so conflicted over The Order. On one hand, impressions have confirmed that it is indeed the type of tightly scripted, ultra linear, set-piece corridor shooter I rarely get into. On the other, the guns sound fun to shoot and the game could very well set a new standard for visuals and presentation value in console gaming.
 

TGO

Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Somehow this doesn't sound good.

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Doesn't sound of anything to me, there's no hint of disagree in that tweet to suggest anything other then a lot of gamers are enjoying it and he'll post his review after the embargo.
 

Lingitiz

Member
ND were coming off Uncharted 3. And making a good game based off someone elses franchise isn't something that's easy to do. Go play Daxter and then go and play Jak and Daxter: The Lost Frontier.
The leads were Druckmann and Staley and they were leads on UC2. I'm not totally dismissing that, but making handheld games based on a preexisting IP is definitely not the same as making a new franchise with a dev team of 120.
 
I have my worries over this game but regardless of what review scores it gets I'm picking this up day 1. The setting looks interesting to me and I have enjoyed cinematic, linear shooters in the past
 
Thanks for this. I haven't played the game yet but from what I gather it feels fair. I also had a small, MGS-like exclamation mark appear above my head when you mentioned the pacing was like an MGS game! Droves of people here love MGS, and it is LITTERED with ludicrously long cut scenes and conversations, for better or worse. So ponder on that.

The Order sounds more and more like quite a uniquely designed and well paced game, and it is one I'm personally very excited about experiencing. And that's what it is, an experience. Some of my favourite games have been "experiences", Journey & Dear Esther as examples. Those games got shot down by some for being short, or not having a constant stream of "gameplay", and frankly that's ludicrous. Gaming is an interactive medium but that does not mean you have to constantly be interacting with some kind of game mechanic every second of your time with the game. I appreciate solid and fun mechanics, we all do, but there is, can, and should be more to gaming than just that. I want to experience a high quality audio visual story and to viscerally feel part of it which is something a good movie perhaps cannot do, and which gaming has the opportunity to so why not take it.

If the game doesn't float your boat then fine, move on. I feel like some people seem to feel entitled, that if there's a AAA game being made with a high budget then "it MUST cater to ME!"

That's just silly. We need variety in our games. As more and more games become about stats and levelling up endlessly while repeating the same thing over and over (online MP games in general, or something like Destiny) we need games that can rediscover just what it's like to have a tailored experience that takes you on an auteurs journey. Gaming can happily accommodate both, but conversely that doesn't mean that all games must accommodate the tendencies of every single gamer out there. Some games will be for you, some won't, and the less we bitch about what other people happen to like, the better.

Word.
 

benny_a

extra source of jiggaflops
Which is why watching someone play NG is useless if you're looking to form an opinion that will be as valid as the person playing, whereas watching someone play Heavy Rain isn't.
And that's where we don't agree. Watching someone make these intense choices for you is not the same as making them yourself. Choosing what to do and when to do the things with for example the priest is not a passive affair, no matter how often people will describe it was cutscene or movie or QTE-fest.

Yes, making choices is a core part of the game, but that doesn't make watching someone else play it and experiencing their choices useless and it doesn't mean your opinion, as someone who has watched the game rather than played it, are any less valid.
As I said before:
You're watching the edited version which sometimes is accompanied with director's commentary by someone that wasn't on the team.
Whereas the game is live-editing it sometimes under time pressure and sometimes not.

They are different. They certainly overlap in quite a few areas but they are not equivalent.
 

Curufinwe

Member
Just watched a complete walkthrough and the game is exactly what i thought it would be. Its more movie/experience than game - dont expect a Gears or war. And Its indeed very short - 5 hours and 20 min (including cutscenes and later chapters are only a 5-10 min cutscene and thats it (no gameplay at all)).

Gears of War was an awful single player experience blighted by brain dead teammate AI, terrible checkpointing and enemies with ranged insta-kill attacks.

Hopefully the Order is nothing like it.
 

Ricky_R

Member
The leads were Druckmann and Staley and they were leads on UC2. I'm not totally dismissing that, but making handheld games based on a preexisting IP is definitely not the same as making a new franchise with a dev team of 120.

Actually, none of them were leads in Uncharted 3. You're confusing it with Among Thieves.
 
Mediocre reviews didn't stop Dying Light from selling this month. I think reviews wont affect The Order as much as if it had released eyars ago in an environment where twitch streams were not common. I think review scores impact much less now.
 

cackhyena

Member
Gears of War was an awful single player experience blighted by brain dead teammate AI, terrible checkpointing and enemies with ranged insta-kill attacks.

Hopefully the Order is nothing like it.

Gears of War is some of the best third person shooting I've ever played. *shrug*
 
I see alot of talk here about replayability.

The reason I replay games is that if the story is great and I can't get enough of it, I'll replay it for the fun of the journey again. I've done that since Jak and Daxter, I'm mainly a single player person. I like looking for extras and hidden items in my second runs or even just having fun taking the ride for a second time.

Instead of worrying about how long the game is or how many cutscenes there are, why don't we just play the game when it comes out.
If you find it fun and an enjoyable experience/ journey play it again. No need to deliberate once you play the game. If you don't like it return the game for your store credit or sell it.

While the game is heavily cinematic, its still a game. I personally stay away from watching streams or lets plays on single player games because they make me feel to play the game, which is the way its intended.

Sure its cinematic, but a game is a game whether its paced with cinematics or not in my opinion.

I'm also sure that with the amount of publicity/ advertising I've seen for the game that we'll get some sort of DLC at the very least.

This is all my own opinion and I hope not to offend anyone else's opinions. If I do I apologize.
With all doing said here's some gifs and let's enjoy the ride!

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Somehow this doesn't sound good.

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If you're convinced the game is going to get dumped on, then anything someone says other than outright praising it is going to give you that feeling.

The leads were Druckmann and Staley and they were leads on UC2. I'm not totally dismissing that, but making handheld games based on a preexisting IP is definitely not the same as making a new franchise with a dev team of 120.

I know that. But ND as a company were coming off of Uncharted 3, and that was molding the opinions of what people were thinking of TLoU pre-release.
 

FranXico

Member
Mediocre reviews didn't stop Dying Light from selling this month. I think reviews wont affect The Order as much as if it had released eyars ago in an environment where twitch streams were not common. I think review scores impact much less now.

That would be a good thing. Websites should not be posing as consumer friendly while dictating consumers what to buy and not buy.
 

msdstc

Incredibly Naive
Don't get defensive.

*scnr*

Lol getting defensive over finding it bizarre he would hope the order is nothing like a universally praised TPS, just sayin. I'm not a big GeOW fan, but if this turns out as good as that it will be a massive win for RAD and sony.
 

Ricky_R

Member
Mediocre reviews didn't stop Dying Light from selling this month. I think reviews wont affect The Order as much as if it had released eyars ago in an environment where twitch streams were not common. I think review scores impact much less now.

Yeap, as it should be. I think The Order will surpass 2 mill rather easily.
 

Game4life

Banned
And it was Naughty Dog coming off of their best game. RAD is not exactly proven, especially when their claim to fame is good handheld versions of someone else's franchise.

ND was coming out of a terrible game called Uncharted 3 which is equally guilty of what this game is accused of consistently. ND had to correct some wrongs and they did it quite wonderfully with the exceptional TLOU - a game which respects player agency as much as it respects production values.
 
Lol getting defensive over finding it bizarre he would hope the order is nothing like a universally praised TPS, just sayin. I'm not a big GeOW fan, but if this turns out as good as that it will be a massive win for RAD and sony.

If you didn't like a game would you hope that a game you were looking forward to was like that game simply because it was universally praised?
 

Skux

Member
Which is why watching someone play NG is useless if you're looking to form an opinion that will be as valid as the person playing, whereas watching someone play Heavy Rain isn't.

You are doing the same thing in both games - deciding on how the gameplay will turn out, whether it's with your approach to combat in NG, or the decisions the characters make in HR.

Both require player input and player experience. You can't say how it feels to play Heavy Rain when you're not the one making the decisions with your own judgement.
 
Mediocre reviews didn't stop Dying Light from selling this month. I think reviews wont affect The Order as much as if it had released eyars ago in an environment where twitch streams were not common. I think review scores impact much less now.

wtf are you talking about
dying light has good reviews.
even with jimquistions special score of 50 included
if a restaurant is "mediocre" i dont want to eat there. Good, to great, I do. Dying light has good reviews. on average. It isnt goty but mediocre make it sound not worth anyones time.
 

Ricky_R

Member
It's hard to tell because there are also negative impressions out there. People who complete it in only a few hours.

Why does he focus on the positive impressions?

Because those are the ones his impressions are going against. ;)
 
Glad to see OP's impression of the game. This is one thing that I think I am longing for in a game right now.... a story heavy, engaging game.
 

ANDS

King of Gaslighting
lol this might be the stupidest, nonsensical argument for the game i've heard

"don't be worried about the length of this game, there's another game that's even longer so it's all good"

That's not what the comment said. . . at all. Did you cover what you were quoting while you typed this?
 

Game4life

Banned
Gears of War was an awful single player experience blighted by brain dead teammate AI, terrible checkpointing and enemies with ranged insta-kill attacks.

Hopefully the Order is nothing like it.

Ha Ha... Yeah not sure if serious. Gears of War is not the best TPS but awful seriously?
 
I see alot of talk here about replayability.

The reason I replay games is that if the story is great and I can't get enough of it, I'll replay it for the fun of the journey again. I've done that since Jak and Daxter, I'm mainly a single player person. I like looking for extras and hidden items in my second runs or even just having fun taking the ride for a second time.

I get what you're saying, but those aren't the qualities that most folks look for in games with high replay value.

I don't see anything about The Order: 1886 that would warrant a second playthrough.
 

VinFTW

Member
I think Dark Sector is really good. I actually own two copies. It's not as good as Gears 1 or 3 to be sure, but I really like it.

Its a solid game, I was just laughing at the fact that the game it draws heavily on... is Gears (albeit with a glaive)
 

Raide

Member
I think Dark Sector is really good. I actually own two copies. It's not as good as Gears 1 or 3 to be sure, but I really like it.

I actually enjoyed the feel and the Glaive stuff. Really hated when they stripped it all away from you. :D
 
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