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The Order 1886 | Impressions Thread of not shooting the messenger.
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luckygodzilla
Member
Good lord it's beautiful.One last quick and dirty gif for the anticipation of the review thread.
NateDrake please post your impressions.
SmoothRunningGun
Member
Can you tell me how long it is? I know quality over quantity and all that but I still want to know.
mhayze
Member
The problem with "cinematic experiences" is they don't last very long. A mega blockbuster movie released on Blu-ray may have two or three takes of the movie (alt cut or director's commentary or "behind the scenes experience") and some extras for somewhere between 4-6 hours of content. But they cost $20-30. The rumor is that TO:1866 is about 5 hrs for a fast paced run through. I'm sure you can stretch that, but the gameplay is not going to have legs, if I had to guess. This is the kind of thing that would make me wait and not pay full price for the game on day 1. I am definitely going to buy it at some point though.
Freeman
Banned
The length complain is so unrefined, the price of the game will drop overtime so the correlation between money invested and time played is always changing. The easiest thing in the world is to wait until its ar a price you are willing to play.
Why not play it on hard if medium is too easy?
Why not play it on hard if medium is too easy?
What would be the point though? There aren't any upgrades or things that would carry over to have a new game plus.
I'm not sure that a face paced run through of this game would even be possible. There are scenarios where you literally cannot run or move faster than a walking pace. The only way to speed things up would be to remove searching for the newspapers and other little collectible items.
At this point I'll save that for a second play through.
meanspartan
Member
Just FYI I went to eat dinner and the thread shit itself so now there's like four of us watching.
What is the deal if I may ask? Exclusives always have more heated threads but the Order seems to inspire even more vitriol than others.
It's about 9 to 10 hours.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Just FYI I went to eat dinner and the thread shit itself so now there's like four of us watching.
CreateNowSleepLater
Member
Nice impressions but no MP makes this a $39.99 game for me. Just can't spend that much on SP games. Weird, thought this would have been their Gears.
captainraincoat
Banned
Was watching a few streams on twitch earlier and the game does look like it has some pretty cool action set pieces...i really think that this game will be one of those big dumb guilty pleasure games...i just pre-ordered
im still not sold on bloodbourne so my money is staying put for the moment
im still not sold on bloodbourne so my money is staying put for the moment
mhayze
Member
I presume it means not dying a lot, and if there are choices, branches and optional events, you only do 1 of the former and skip that latter.
meanspartan
Member
So did you drop $60 on, say, Tomb Raider cuz it superficially had multiplayer?
El-Pistolero
Member
One last quick and dirty gif for the anticipation of the review thread.
NateDrake please post your impressions.
lmao!
Not every game needs multiplayer.
At least be honest.
It's 5 1/2 to 10+.
Depends on how you play it seems.
I tend to look at every freaking square inch of a game. It would probably be an 8-12 hour game if I play it.
I spent like 15-20 minutes just looking around the house at the beginning of TLoU, lol.
think someone answered this in the other thread with something along the lines of
ps4 exclusive
cinematic vs gameplay divide
linear vs open world divide
unproven studio (for console space so no benefit of the doubt)
pc gamers somehow don't like how good the graphics are
maybe some other points i think i dont remember now. its like everything coming together in a high profile game which has amazing graphics so it gets a lot of attention from everyone and given what the game is its a lightning rod for controvery from all those 5 angles. its like the perfect storm.
None of those are AAA tentpole exclusives. Niche games can do odd things with gameplay, especially when they're not $69.99 (Canadian pricing) new.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Not gonna lie, would love the chance to thermite rifle another player in the face in a Victorian London style map. Would be a really nice change of pace for MP. Or maybe a unique MP mode where a team of players have to hunt another player who's an untransformed half breed among a group of people. Would be a nice little bit of fun.
fuzzyreactor
Banned
yea but this game does
not entirely true. heavy rain and beyond are AAA but don't get shit on as much. they do but most either go not my type of game and move on . the problem with order seems to be its neither here (heavy rain, telltale style) nor there (gears of war, regular tps). It's like this weird combination with bits of both. The more I see of this game I can definitely get what the studio meant by they had a grand vision of the game and has to pick what they could do. I think their idea is solid and their engine obviously is great adn the lore/story seems good. But in order to pull this idea off fully and appease everyoen (story plus gameplay ppl) they will need a much bigger team (longer game, more of everything , mp etc etc)
DangerMouse
Member
Thanks for the impressions Rapier, sounds awesome.
Can't wait to play it.
Sounds great!
Can't wait to play it.
Sounds great!
ArkkAngel007
Member
You know, it was my bad going there, a big part of it due to me likely skimming the post. Apologies.
I do think there's a big difference between films (which can be a bit pricey for what they are too) and games. It's more about looking at what is there within the field. Films typically range from an hour 30 to 3 hours depending on what it is. There's all the extras involved, and then you have all the formats. Despite all these things, films tend to have a more standardized market than what games do, where there are often extreme gaps from one to another despite the retail end of things having a standard price in most cases.
REmake for example just received a REmaster release, and you can play it and look at the amount of post-game content and encouragement for replayability. It can be ran through in 4 hours quite easily if you know what you're doing, but there's a lot of incentives and flexibility in how you approach and revisit the game.
I think there's a lot of flaws in the AAA space in offering content for the asking price, whether it be a bunch of in-game padding or cases like this and Titanfall where the content is sparse in comparison to its peers. The content may be excellent (like Titanfall and from what I hear of Evolve), but it's still a part of an extremely competitive market to where people expect the most out of their purchase in said market.
Not that I have major issues in this case. Enjoyed Heavy Rain, Beyond Two Souls, Uncharteds (never played the mp in those), and from what I've seen of The Order 1886 I'll be pleased again and already anticipating a sequel announcement by E3 2016. But I don't think most people just look at the value in that way, nor do I think they merely should do so.
Jawbreaker
Member
Why?
Added multiplayer is not a mandatory just like titanfall non existant SP. In case of DA:I it even like a Free to play game.
For me i'm interested in the Order and i think it's a very good interactive and cinematic movie, 5 hour minimum at it. But i cannot buy it yet because i already bought New 3ds Monhun Edition and i cannot bought time
Or i just want the digital but there is promotion for the retail version http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/KFZ6LW6. Choice choice choice.
perineumlick
Member
One thing I've noticed; not one time have I had issues with the black bars. It's been a nonissue, whereas with The Evil Within I was bothered by it and never really got used to it. The action in TO is framed very well, and never feels claustrophobic.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
I'm convinced you are committing to a logical fallacy here, but just to address the most obvious thing: HR can absolutely be played badly (if someone can't figure what to do for example they can get stuck for minutes just walking around randomly, or they just keep failing the QTE ) and you also need to experience the thrill of making choices in the game, or even controls (sawing scene to name the most obvious one) to be able to judge it fully.
Thanks.
Pop
Member
And why is that?
Does it need more shoot shoot bang bang to be considered a game?
Really good quality, too. I think this might be the first game I just watch a play through of.
perineumlick
Member
Good post. There definitely are things to be improved on.
There is no new game+ because there's no point in doing so, there are no upgrades or unlocks that would carry over.
There is a chapter select, however.
fuzzyreactor
Banned
6-10 hour linear cinematic experience. I no incentive to not just rent it.
I used to be of the same mindset as you, until I realized that I only play 2-3 multiplayer games exclusively. Its very hard to switch for me and dedicate time into a lot of games at once to play online. At most, I would play a couple matches to see how it is and thats it, back to the old faithful.
There are ways to extend the life of a game beyond just multiplayer.
LookAtMeGo
Member
I doubt it would happen but maybe later in down the road its something they could add?
I get that they didn't plan on having MP at all and I appreciate the focus on the SP. I also understand that money and man power probably factored in. I wonder if its possible that sometime down the line once sales have slowed right down if they would consider adding something like that to bring people back and get more people on board.
Or would they do more of a SP story type DLC? I have no clue. Maybe they wont do either and just be hard at work on a sequel.
So then games with no MP aren't worth $60 anymore? ;_;
ArkkAngel007
Member
Should we be getting a launch trailer this week? There was some buzz on a possibility of one in the latter half of the week (before those threads all imploded), but I personally haven't heard of anything.
That is true !
One thing that I can only applaud RAD is that damn, they've absolutely nailed at least the visual and atmosphere they were going for.
To say something very positive, and also as a pc gamer who has a really good machine, the game is just gorgeous and pulls you in almost immediately in that sense. The attention to detail, in terms of visuals but also little goodies you can examine just makes part of my 3d artist brain melt, as to think how many hours they had to spend on very tiny things that you sometimes barely notice
And the black bars were no big inconvenience, contrary to TEW. It seems more tightly designed around it
I hope I don't come off as like you describe. I have been posting a lot in Order threads, mostly because it fascinates me. Like Y2Kev pointed out, there's an interesting debate between the cinematic/non cinematic players. As someone who enjoys both but usually I'm very conscious about the balance between cinematic and gameplay, the Order was kind of a rollercoaster ride for me and I just find it very compelling to talk about, in positive or negative.
Anyway I think this'll be my last post for this thread as I've rambled long enough
WordsintheWater
Member
Well that's how long it took him so he is honest