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[Myggen]

oh no rugby

You made this happen, Jimmy.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

The MGS3 voice acting and dialogue is great because no other game is close to that level of thoughtfulness in crafted dialogue.

And movies, too. I never hear though provoking dialogue in movies these days.

 

[Jimmyfenix]

You made this happen, Jimmy.

Rugby is not joke

some guy swallowed his tongue after being tackled

 

[BearPawB]

Rugby is interesting. But i never understand how running two piles of people into eachother is an effective strat

 

[erawsd]

I remember when MGS1 first came out and thinking that Solid Snake had TERRIBLE voice acting. It's grown on me since then, but I still wouldn't consider it all that great.

Oh its definitely not great, its ok at best. After sitting through MGScanlon, I totally get why they decided to recast the characters. Although, Ground Zeros VA still seemed pretty bad, so maybe its the voice direction thats the real issue.

 

[Zocano]

The MGS3 voice acting and dialogue is great because no other game is close to that level of thoughtfulness in crafted dialogue.

And movies, too. I never hear though provoking dialogue in movies these days.

There's a reason for that, though. People don't talk like that. That's why the dialogue feels stiff and "off" to a lot of people. It's why I never cared much for the mgs stories outside of when it just gets super silly and out there.

 

[Jimmyfenix]

Rugby is interesting. But i never understand how running two piles of people into eachother is an effective strat

They have an open mic for the entire match

which is interesting when a fight happens

 

[Bacon]

Yeah the dialogue in mgs is pretty bad.

Pretty bad?

Pretty bad.

 

[komplanen]

Rugby is not just another name for cricket? Cricket is the one with the two sticks? Is rugby the one that is violent football?

I can't wait to find out!

 

[ratcliffja]

Yeah the dialogue in mgs is pretty bad.

Pretty bad?

Pretty bad.

I think the weird questioning stuff is mostly due to the difficulty with translating the Japanese checking for understanding. I don't even know how you'd "fix" it in translation, but it probably feels a lot more natural in Japanese. It's a similar issue to translating "Hai," which could mean yes, OK, or a million other affirmatives and is used more than most English speakers use affirmatives/confirmation. You often end up with the quick and awkward "yes" in translations, as the mouth movements indicate that something has to be said, even if it makes the dialogue sound "off" to English speakers.

 

[Zodzilla]

The MGS3 voice acting and dialogue is great because no other game is close to that level of thoughtfulness in crafted dialogue.

And movies, too. I never hear though provoking dialogue in movies these days.

Funny because I take it as stilted and poorly written schlock. Entertaining schlock, for sure, but nothing to aspire too. The voice acting is corny as hell too and while it was grating to me when I first heard it, I grew to find it kind of fun in the way Tim Curry's corny ass voice is fun.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

There's a reason for that, though. People don't talk like that. That's why the dialogue feels stiff and "off" to a lot of people. It's why I never cared much for the mgs stories outside of when it just gets super silly and out there.

You could say that for any video game(Except maybe GTAV) and movie tho.

 

[Chuck]

I wonder how 8-4 feels about the resi rev 2 localization

 

[f0rk]

The MGS3 voice acting and dialogue is great because no other game is close to that level of thoughtfulness in crafted dialogue.

Yes Kojima was being such a craftsmen when writing 'It's a sneaking mission' 11 times in the first hour

 

[KingKong]

You could say that for any video game(Except maybe GTAV) and movie tho.

I think Deus Ex works much better at that kind of 'grand ideas and speeches' because you actually carry conversations with people instead of just repeating the last thing they said like a monkey

 

[Jimmyfenix]

Rugby is not just another name for cricket? Cricket is the one with the two sticks? Is rugby the one that is violent football?

I can't wait to find out!

Rugby is like baseball

 

[ratcliffja]

Rugby is like baseball

Except instead of field goals, they shoot hat tricks.

 

[Fantastapotamus]

I wonder how 8-4 feels about the resi rev 2 localization

The german translation is hilarious.
At one point Moira says "What the fuck?" and the german translation is "Was zum Arsch hab ich grad gesehen" meaning basically "What the ass did I just see?"

I don't know why they felt the need to add the "did I just see" part but "Was zum Arsch" is seriously hilarious to me.

 

[Zebetite]

Dialogue is tied with plot for the least-important function of literature, so it's always funny to see people get caught up on those two things when trying to outright dismiss the work of a writer they don't like. Remember all those times people were writing about how Ulysses is the greatest novel ever written and they had such astute observations as "The dialogue is so natural" and "The plot isn't convoluted at all"?

Incidentally, I think Hideo Kojima is probably a better writer than anyone who's ever criticized him, because people who can Actually Write generally have absolutely nothing to do with video games.

 

[alr1ght]

Is Dan a better writer than Kojima?

 

[Jintor]

I like Metal Gear narrative related stuff in two senses, one in the wacky 'omg it all ties together!!!!!!! but not really!!!!! but holy shit!!!!!' high level stuff and two in the wacky 'woah this is like a whole bunch of red alert 2 cutscenes all at once' level

 

[BreezyLimbo]

Yes Kojima was being such a craftsmen when writing 'It's a sneaking mission' 11 times in the first hour

It's a video game, they also have to explain to you how to use your backpack

 

[SlowRevolution]

node

 

[Brashnir]

mgs is pretty bad.

Pretty bad?

Pretty bad.

fyp.

 

[Mr. F]

Yes Kojima was being such a craftsmen when writing 'It's a sneaking mission' 11 times in the first hour

You forgot to mention stealth is of the utmost importance, and Snake's mere presence is in violation of international law.

 

[Liquid Shake]

I like Metal Gear narrative related stuff in two senses, one in the wacky 'omg it all ties together!!!!!!! but not really!!!!! but holy shit!!!!!' high level stuff and two in the wacky 'woah this is like a whole bunch of red alert 2 cutscenes all at once' level

I'm with you there. I've always said that I can't argue with all the criticisms of the story or dialogue or whatever but it's part of the reason why I love the series. Nothing quite like it.

i wanted to establish revisionist history where mgs and syphon filter ripped off spy fiction and splinter cell

then i remembered that ground-breaking works are always influential and rarely good

how you like them truth apples

They were rotten and made me ill.

 

[Zocano]

Dialogue is tied with plot for the least-important function of literature, so it's always funny to see people get caught up on those two things when trying to outright dismiss the work of a writer they don't like. Remember all those times people were writing about how Ulysses is the greatest novel ever written and they had such astute observations as "The dialogue is so natural" and "The plot isn't convoluted at all"?

Incidentally, I think Hideo Kojima is probably a better writer than anyone who's ever criticized him, because people who can Actually Write generally have absolutely nothing to do with video games.

Sure but these are not novels that we're talking about. I know it's not the same kind of medium but mgs especially is trying to emulate movies and dialogue and the flow and feel of dialogue is important. It's partly why Tarantino gets so much praise.

 

[Zero-Crescent]

You forgot to mention stealth is of the utmost importance, and Snake's mere presence is in violation of international law.

And don't forget, survival is a top priority. Use your survival training to aid in your survival.

 

[Jintor]

Like on some level I realise it's undeniably kind of crap, people just repeat things eery day, the story just info-dumps on you like nobody's business, it's filled to the gills with people explaining their philosophy unprompted and then doing something melodromatic. But that's metal gear, there's not much else like it out there and it's really something special

 

[Jothel]

In terms of story/character craziness, what is the most similar thing to the MGS series?

 

[Pattrikx]

I've just begun to think of MGS as an action tactical espionage action soap opera

 

[SteveWinwood]

In terms of story/character craziness, what is the most similar thing to the MGS series?

Some shitty anime probably.

 

[daydream]

i wanted to establish revisionist history where mgs and syphon filter ripped off spy fiction and splinter cell

then i remembered that ground-breaking works are always influential and rarely good

how you like them truth apples

 

[Zaph]

I've just begun to think of MGS as an action soap opera

It definitely it. It's its own brand of theatre; the ridiculous over-wrought dialogue is as integral here as it is to those telenovelas.

 

[alr1ght]

There's way more to Metal Gear than the dialogue and storytelling. The constant fourth wall breaking, quirky easter eggs, and the stupid soldier AI (that's so fun to mess with) give it a super unique feeling and I love it.

 

[justjim89]

MGS3 is a testament to Kojima's understanding of camp and his masterful use of it. No other game makes such skilled use of camp, juxtaposing absurdity with tragedy to truly play to the audience's emotions. That's why the ending hits so hard, because you spent the whole game going between dramatic, absurd, hilarious, tense, and action. So in the end, the tragedy feels more earned than in less skillfully written games.

Not to mention how its both an homage to and a parody of 60s spy movies. It subverts so many of the classic Bond tropes. Snake isn't the uber-macho sexual dynamo Bond is. He's not the one thing between the world and disaster. He's barely a cog in the machine and both female leads outclass and humiliate him.

You can pick out poor dialogue moments or overall cheesiness or high school waxing of philosophical, but I maintain that MGS3 is not only a shining example of Kojima's skill as a writer and director, but one of the best written games of all time.

 

[Basileus777]

Dialogue is tied with plot for the least-important function of literature, so it's always funny to see people get caught up on those two things when trying to outright dismiss the work of a writer they don't like. Remember all those times people were writing about how Ulysses is the greatest novel ever written and they had such astute observations as "The dialogue is so natural" and "The plot isn't convoluted at all"?

Incidentally, I think Hideo Kojima is probably a better writer than anyone who's ever criticized him, because people who can Actually Write generally have absolutely nothing to do with video games.

Very few video games have narrative prose, so dialogue is kind of important, it's generally the main delivery mechanism for plot and character. Literary novels these are not. And the ability for video games to convey information through facial expressions and such is much more limited than film.

 

[DrFunk]

Earlier this week, @drewscanlon and I got some beer and recorded a commentary track for Rocky IV. It’ll go up tonight at midnight Pacific.

bromance

 

[Megasoum]

Oh shit

 

[shadyspace]

bromance

I can vividly picture Alexis' face reading this.

 

[Gozer the Gozerian]

I don't take anything I've seen from the MGS seriously, it's like this weird mix of intentional and unintentional camp in an anime version of GI Joe, and it's fantastic and entertaining for that reason.

Also, this GB series has been my intro to MGS, and this MGS3 video is the first time in the series I've actually felt like I want to play the game. There seems to be a bit more open-ness to the encounter design than 1 and 2 which really appeals to me as a fan of Thief/Deus Ex/Dishonored/etc., and I really dig the cold war espionage riff so far.

 

[Scizzy]

I like Dan, but listening to him tell me how awesome he thinks every moment of Rocky IV is sounds like my worst nightmare.

I'd rather hear Dan be exposed to stuff like Citizen Kane for the first time.

 

[SlowRevolution]

90 minutes of quoting 80's movies while watching an 80's movie.

 

[tchocky]

MGS3 is a testament to Kojima's understanding of camp and his masterful use of it. No other game makes such skilled use of camp, juxtaposing absurdity with tragedy to truly play to the audience's emotions. That's why the ending hits so hard, because you spent the whole game going between dramatic, absurd, hilarious, tense, and action. So in the end, the tragedy feels more earned than in less skillfully written games.

Not to mention how its both an homage to and a parody of 60s spy movies. It subverts so many of the classic Bond tropes. Snake isn't the uber-macho sexual dynamo Bond is. He's not the one thing between the world and disaster. He's barely a cog in the machine and both female leads outclass and humiliate him.

You can pick out poor dialogue moments or overall cheesiness or high school waxing of philosophical, but I maintain that MGS3 is not only a shining example of Kojima's skill as a writer and director, but one of the best written games of all time.

Damn that superbunnyhop video is great. He just nails what makes this game so great.

 

[Phatmac]

There isn't anything like MGS out right now. It was a super popular hit franchise that had ridiculous shit with its mechanics and story that is insanely Japanese yet still has a dedicated fan base. Love it or not Kojima created something special that I haven't seen recreated yet.

 

[KingKong]

There isn't anything like MGS out right now. It was a super popular hit franchise that had ridiculous shit with its mechanics and story that is insanely Japanese yet still has a dedicated fan base. Love it or not Kojima created something special that I haven't seen recreated yet.

That sounds exactly like Final Fantasy to me

 

[Zaph]

Dan continues to kill it with the premium content.

Still holding out for that food based feature though.

 

[Dany]

Oh shit

YES LOVE YES

 

[giant_frying_pan]

I wonder how long it will be before Dan mentions Lana and Rusev.

 

[Jimmyfenix]

All you Dan haters need to know your role

he is the best thing to happen to giantbomb!