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[DietRob]

I can't really recall any recent or blatant propaganda for the current Iraq War.

I think now days it manifests itself as 24 hour cable news.
Interesting thread.

 

[afternoon delight]

24 hour cable news.

That was the term I was looking for, thanks.

"MYSTERIOUS SUBMARINES DISCOVERED IN NORTHERN WATERS- IS IT THE RUSSIANS? THE CHINESE? MILITARY STANDS BY WAITING TO RESPOND"

the fear porn is real, and constant.

 

[figadapaura]

Fox News.

 

[DoktorEvil]

I think now days it manifests itself as 24 hour cable news.
Interesting thread.

Fair point, but then again I don't think CNN or Fox News is state sponsored.

 

[vityaz]

A few interesting ones found on reddit:

dropped over British troops on the Cassino front. It shows the Yanks getting it on with their wives and girlfriends in Britain while they were out dying in the Italian stalemate.

"Children of New China" (1950, China)

"Saintly defends Earth from NATO mad plots" Soviet, 1970s

 

[kess]

Racism is perhaps a key to understanding how anti-science certain parts of America are

 

[storafötter]

This one is interesting.

I wonder whether it was actually all that effective though. At that time in America it was rare to get mixed up in Europe's affairs.

It was. Advertisement agencies helped the American government by creating these propaganda ads for free which was recieved very well. Not only did it help to sway public opinion on the war, but at the same time gave advertisement agencies for the first time recognition and respect both from the government and the public. Their biggest experiment and experienced they gained was with propaganda ads made during the first world war.

I have always been fascinated with propaganda and advertisement. The soviet ones are among my favourites.

 

[figadapaura]

Fair point, but then again I don't think CNN or Fox News is state sponsored.

Why does it have to be state-sponsored?

 

[commedieu]

All this time :\

 

[afternoon delight]

Fair point, but then again I don't think CNN or Fox News is state sponsored.

I cannot quickly find the statistic at the moment (might dig into my Media Studies textbook when I get home) but during the first three years of the last Iraq War, something like 80-90% of the stories reported were sourced to "government officials" or "the White House". While those numbers may not be exact, the vast majority of information concerning the war was spoken and directed by the state.

Going to go looking for the actual research paper now.

 

[DoktorEvil]

Why does it have to be state-sponsored?

Isn't propaganda mostly attributed to gov't agencies spreading FUD/misinformation/outright lies?

I cannot quickly find the statistic at the moment (might dig into my Media Studies textbook when I get home) but during the first three years of the last Iraq War, something like 80-90% of the stories reported were sourced to "government officials" or "the White House". While those numbers may not be exact, the vast majority of information concerning the war was spoken and directed by the state.

Going to go looking for the actual research paper now.

That high????

 

[terrisus]

Nowadays it's relegated to unsourced stories reporting beheadings, crucifixitions, baby killing, chemical weapons, etc but without the supporting pictures or evidence.

Basically the American press does it with words instead of pictures- unless it's a big enough incident, and then we'll see a few images of dead kids*.

* good ones, not bad ones.

I don't think there are many actual pictures in any of the images posted in this thread.
They're cartoons, caricatures, illustrations, text, etc.

So, it's not just a "Nowadays" thing...
It's not exactly something new...

 

[Ran rp]

This one is interesting.

I wonder whether it was actually all that effective though. At that time in America it was rare to get mixed up in Europe's affairs.

 

[braves01]

The Prague Cemetary is some amazing historical fiction (maybe more historical than fiction at some parts), about the creation of this.

 

[kess]

 

[figadapaura]

Isn't propaganda mostly attributed to gov't agencies spreading FUD/misinformation/outright lies?

Sure, but governments aren't the only ones who can make propaganda. I posted an IRA poster on the previous page, is that not propaganda now?

 

[Mecha]

I like most of the space race ones.

 

[E92 M3]

This one's pretty bad. I wonder what it's in reaction to...

Incoming threesome.

The Sound of Music: Reloaded

And some idiot people genuinely wonder why the Irish never liked the English.

Especially if it isn't cooked properly. That runny poo is death incarnate.

Anti-Vaccinators still swear by the finger crossing.

They missed the shot, due to both the lackidaisical nature of the subject in the poster, and his horrific moustache.

Yuck. That's an awful drawing of anyone.

This scene from Lord of the Rings: Return of the King depicts the Army of the Dead assisting Gondor in its struggles.



Ta-daa~

Spoiler

I was only joking.

I love all of these! And so many good ones in this thread; saving them all.

Pro-USSR too. That's quite incredible.



'The German changes clothes but he is always the same German! Remember!'



'In the name of peace and progress!'

You got the soviet propaganda on lockdown!

 

[alfredofroylan]

dropped over British troops on the Cassino front. It shows the Yanks getting it on with their wives and girlfriends in Britain while they were out dying in the Italian stalemate.

Here you can find a lot of those, NSFW but quite well done
http://riowang.blogspot.mx/2012/12/sweet-home.html

 

[kess]

Some of the spanish civil war posters are pretty slick

 

[terrisus]

thatsapenis.gif

 

[squarerootofpie]

An official picture used by the political party SVP back in 2009 to stir the Swiss people up against minarets.

Not sure why, but my brain just read this in such a weird elongated accent "Stopppppp Jaaaaaaaa" Reminds me of when the danish people's party released this:

YOUR DENMARK?

A multiethnic society with:

- Mass rapes

- Crude violence

- Insecurity

- Supression of women

- Forced marriages

IS THIS WHAT YOU WANT?

Do something - be a member of

THE DANISH PEOPLE'S PARTY'S YOUTH ORGANIZATION

- A Danish future

The Sound of Music: Reloaded

Especially if it isn't cooked properly. That runny poo is death incarnate.

Anti-Vaccinators still swear by the finger crossing.

They missed the shot, due to both the lackidaisical nature of the subject in the poster, and his horrific moustache.

This scene from Lord of the Rings: Return of the King depicts the Army of the Dead assisting Gondor in its struggles.

Dying at these captions. Also that submarine one is way too kawaii for it's time.

"Germany is your friend, for real".

Trust us, fo' sho', everything's fine.

 

[DoktorEvil]

Sure, but governments aren't the only ones who can make propaganda. I posted an IRA poster on the previous page, is that not propaganda now?

Huh I was always taught in school that propaganda was specifically attributed to the state spreading FUD.

When it's attributed to business, it's called "marketing" or can fall under "advertising".

 

[kess]

 

[afternoon delight]

That high????

Not the book I was referencing, but perhaps citing the same study- and yeah, I remembered it specifically because it was that high. I was just as surprised as you, and then sad. From "Framing the Iraq War Endgame" by King and Wells

Nor did the pattern differ for the broadcast networks, as media analyst Andrew Tyndall reported that fewer than 10 percent of the stories on NBC, ABC, and CBS from September 2002 to February 2003 originated outside the White House.

It gets even worse when they start breaking down the opinions and favorable/unfavorable coverage percentages. All of this is covered and related to the absolute fucking scam the government pulled to get people ready for attacking Baghdad again.

I think that counts as propaganda.

 

[Syph Medwes]

dat Kantian appeal in point 4

 

[loaf of bread]

It's not

It's a top loading gun

.

 

[figadapaura]

'Fatherland! You lighted the star of progress and peace. Glory to the science, glory to the labor! Glory to the Soviet regime!'

Huh I was always taught in school that propaganda was specifically attributed to the state spreading FUD.

When it's attributed to business, it's called "marketing" or can fall under "advertising".

I wouldn't really call the IRA a business.

 

[kess]

From the Chinese iOS game Defend the Diaoyu Islands

 

[nhlducks35]

I love the Dr. Seuss ones

 

[kess]

Reminds me, the Nazi press hated Eleanor Roosevelt. I might search for some stuff later

 

[DietRob]

wow

 

[Livingskeletons]

.

"I can tell you what I didn't do. I didn't die from trench foot".

 

[Dai101]

How about those Looney Tunes cartoons?

Just give me a minute

lolwut

Yes, that was a thing back then:

Any Bonds Today?

Not much propaganda but in a way instructional for the armed forces is the whole Private Snafu that was made by the same talent as the Looney Tunes:

Private Snafu is the title character of a series of black-and-white American instructional cartoon shorts produced between 1943 and 1945 during World War II.
The character was created by director Frank Capra, chairman of the U.S. Army Air Force First Motion Picture Unit, and some of the shorts were written by Theodor "Dr. Seuss" Geisel.

Although the United States Army gave Walt Disney Studios the first crack at creating the cartoons, Leon Schlesinger of the Warner Bros. animation studio underbid Disney by two-thirds and won the contract. Disney had also demanded exclusive ownership of the character, and merchandising rights. Most of the Private Snafu shorts are educational, and although the War Department had to approve the storyboards, the Warner directors were allowed great latitude in order to keep the cartoons entertaining. Through his irresponsible behavior, Snafu demonstrates to soldiers what not to do while at war. In "Malaria Mike", for example, Snafu neglects to take his malaria medications or to use his repellant, allowing a suave mosquito to get him in the end—literally.
In "Spies", Snafu leaks classified information a little at a time until the Germans and Japanese piece it together, ambush his transport ship, and literally blow him to Hell. Later in the war, however, Snafu's antics became more like those of fellow Warner alum Bugs Bunny, a savvy hero facing the enemy head-on. The cartoons were intended for an audience of soldiers (as part of the bi-weekly "Army-Navy Screen Magazine" newsreel), and so are quite risqué by 1940's standards, with minor cursing, bare-bottomed GIs, and plenty of scantily clad (and even semi-nude) women. The depictions of Japanese and Germans are quite stereotypical by today's standards, but were par for the course in wartime U.S. Nine of the Snafu shorts feature a character named Technical Fairy, First Class. The Technical Fairy is a crass, shirtless, miniature G.I. whose fairy wings bear the insignia of a Technical Sergeant. He would appear and grant Snafu's wishes, most of which involve skipping protocol or trying to do things the quick and sloppy way. The results typically end tragically, with the Technical Fairy teaching Snafu a valuable lesson about proper military procedure.

The Snafu shorts are notable because they were produced during the Golden Age of Warner Bros. animation. Directors such as Chuck Jones, Friz Freleng, Bob Clampett, and Frank Tashlin worked on them, and their characteristic styles are in top form. P. D. Eastman was a writer and storyboard artist for the Snafu shorts. Voice characterizations were provided by the celebrated Mel Blanc (Private Snafu's voice was identical to Blanc's Bugs Bunny characterization). Toward the end of the war, other studios began producing Snafu shorts as well (the Army accused Schlesinger of padding his bills), though some of these never made it to celluloid before the war ended. The Snafu films are also partly responsible for keeping the animation studios open during the war—by producing such training films, the studios were declared an essential industry. After the war, the Snafu cartoons went largely forgotten. Prints eventually wound up in the hands of collectors, and these form the basis for The Complete, Uncensored Private Snafu, a VHS and DVD collection from Bosko Video. Bosko's collection is currently the only one available, but it has been criticized for the poor quality of its transfer.

Private Snafu shorts (made for the U.S. Army)

1943:

• Coming!! Snafu (Warner Bros.)
• Gripes (Warner Bros.)
• Spies (Warner Bros.)
• The Goldbrick (Warner Bros.)
• The Infantry Blues (Warner Bros.)
• Fighting Tools (Warner Bros.)
• The Home Front (Warner Bros.)
• Rumors (Warner Bros.)

1944:

• Booby Traps (Warner Bros.)
• Snafuperman (Warner Bros.)
• Private Snafu Vs. Malaria Mike (Warner Bros.)
• A Lecture On Camouflage (Warner Bros.)
• Gas (Warner Bros.)
• Going Home [not Coming Home!] (Warner Bros.)
• Censored (Warner Bros.)
• Outpost (Warner Bros.)
• Pay Day (Warner Bros.)
• Target Snafu (Warner Bros.)
• A Few Quick Facts: Inflation (UPA)
• Three Brothers (Warner Bros.)

1945:

• In the Aleutians - Isles of Enchantment (Warner Bros.)
• A Few Quick Facts: Fear (UPA)
• It's Murder She Says (Warner Bros.)
• Hot Spot (Warner Bros.)
• Operation Snafu (Warner Bros.)
• No Buddy Atoll (Warner Bros.)
• Secrets of the Caribbean (Warner Bros.) [unreleased]
• Mop Up [also known as How to Get a Fat Jap out of a Cave] (MGM) [unreleased]

1946:

• Private Snafu Presents Seaman Tarfu (Harman-Ising)

 

[alfredofroylan]

There's a story behind this. At one point in history, Mexico was really against the United States and everything related to it the authorites wanted to cut every relationship with the "Evil Empire", so one of our less memorable presidents (Pascual Ortiz Rubio) decided to expell Santa Claus from Mexico... and use the aztec god Quetzalcoatl instead.
So yes they thought it'd be a great ide to use this:

Instead of this:

 

[LookAtMeGo]

Save to beat the devil!

 

[L.B. Jeffries]

Huh I was always taught in school that propaganda was specifically attributed to the state spreading FUD.

When it's attributed to business, it's called "marketing" or can fall under "advertising".

I think that definition limits you to basically the two World Wars, not propaganda across history. Going back to the Civil War, most of the propaganda is newspaper columns, songs, slavery ads, and the occasional photograph or drawing. These are private entities putting out their views for a particular side for a variety of reasons. National governments as we conceive of them did not yet exist.

 

[Valhelm]

 

[dark_prinny]

Amazing thread.

 

[Enzom21]

WW II:
Liberty - Equality - Fraternity

This German image from the newspaper Illustrated Observer depicts a French Army officer sending a black colonial troop to the front while a Jew who might be Maxim Maximovitch Litvinov, Russian ambassador to the United States from November 1941 to August 1943 slyly hides behind him.
The Germans bitterly attacked the French use of black troops in the Rhine and other occupied territories after World War I. In fact, they complained so often and so loudly that an American Senator Hitchcock from Nebraska is quoted in the N.Y. Times of 31 August 1922 charging atrocities by French Negro troops against German women and others in the occupied portion of Germany. He said in part:
I hold in my hand a printed circular called "The Horror of the Rhine." It purports to be a complaint of the German people living in the German territory occupied by French troops... It is charged that the black African troops of France, whether Negro or Senegalese, were committing unspeakable crimes against German women and children.
So, just as the Germans had successfully attacked French black troops, they would now attack the American treatment of its own black population in an attempt to turn the minority soldiers against their officers and nation was an easy choice. In general, most of the Axis leaflets told the black soldiers that their own people were being attacked in the United States and pointed out that their white officers did not trust them and they were treated far differently from white troops.

Korean War:

Vietnam War:

 

[gutter_trash]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDTBnsqxZ3k

LBJ's commercial about Nukes

 

[L.B. Jeffries]

The Splendid Little War for Cuba.

 

[Valhelm]

Granted, more satirical than propagandist, but still iconic.

If it's satire, that's hilarious. Apparently, it's a symbol of some Neo-Nazi groups.

 

[Muskieratboi]

This isn't propaganda. While it's fucked up there was racial advertising, do not change the thread into complaining about racist advertising.

Propaganda promotes a certain political narrative to the general public.

...Holy Shit, is this where we got the term "Bucks" for in relation to money?

 

[fawaz]

Are the ones on the bottom Austral-Hungarian and German?

 

[Dai101]

This is foul play man

 

[JordanN]

This one is interesting.

I wonder whether it was actually all that effective though. At that time in America it was rare to get mixed up in Europe's affairs.

TF2 had a parody of this.

 

[Murder. She Wrote]

I've always liked this one a lot:

 

[Mistel]

...Holy Shit, is this where we got the term "Bucks" for in relation to money?

That is derived from deer skins which were used for trading in the 18th century in America till 1792 where some coinage act was enacted. The highest quality skins were worth a buck.

 

[stufte]

This is foul play man

Dat Axis psychological warfare. "Just go home, you don't want to end up *unattractive* to women back home, do you?"