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[ElBoxyBrown]

I like the Samus redesign. Like others have said, she's probably not meant to fight in her Zero Suit, so when she, say, fights in Smash Bros., she's basically fighting in just her underwear.

I look at that redesign like this: Samus gets invited to fight in Smash Bros., but Sakurai says she can't bring her power suit. She's like, "Fine," and actually brings some gear for combat instead of just strapping on some high heels.

Don't matter how much protection you have, you ain't surviving a Little Mac uppercut.

 

[Leatherface]

Just wanted to jump in here to say that I really love the Storm design. Good stuff!

 

[Bishop89]

Not even 20 posts in and people are already dismissing what these women want.

Personally, I like these designs. Makes the women feel alot more badass.

Title should be ' what these particular women want in women characters '. My girlfriend likes any type of women character, whether they are pretty bombshells with exposing skin or not. Doesn't matter if they are in a combat role and their outfit doesn't make sense. Im pretty sure you could find ones for males too.

Whole situation reminds me of this picture

 

[number47]

Arent we just asking for more costumes at this point. I love looking at tits. But a well dressed woman works so well. Some Mary Jane's with a nice business suit.

 

[Pinko Marx]

I like most of those renditions, but the morrigan quote is just as sexist as the designs they decry:



It's really not helping their cause, which I support

The quote was to characterize why the artist believes Morrigan would wear revealing clothing. The character Morrigan is sexist, not the artist or blogger.

 

[Roto13]

Women's breasts need air from time to time, obviously.

boob sweat is gross ok

 

[A Link to the Past]

Title should be ' what these particular women want in women characters '. My girlfriend likes any type of women character, whether they are pretty bombshells with exposing skin or not. Doesn't matter if they are in a combat role and their outfit doesn't make sense. Im pretty sure you could find ones for males too.

Whole situation reminds me of this picture

Title should be what it is. There's no defense for people kneejerk replying to articles they didn't read.

 

[foxuzamaki]

If you remove all the belts, padding and armor, there's nothing that makes it egregiously disruptive to the power suit.
the power/varia suits already have various designs, even if need accommodations there's nothing stopping the use of that design.
Heck they even utterly removed the gravity suit so adjusting the design is not above them.
Seriously look at what they did with the Fusion suit already.



I no longer use Samus, was my main since SSB64, after so many hit by the nerfbat I got the clues and dropped it.

Samus in smash 4 has been buffed from previous incarnations.

 

[Anton Sugar]

Title should be ' what these particular women want in women characters '. My girlfriend likes any type of women character, whether they are pretty bombshells with exposing skin or not. Doesn't matter if they are in a combat role and their outfit doesn't make sense. Im pretty sure you could find ones for males too.

Whole situation reminds me of this picture

Good for your girlfriend. Moving on, did you even read the article in OP?

First: I am a woman, and I do not speak for all women. I am taking my experience and the collective experiences of the hundreds-strong Women in Fantasy Illustration group* and trying to make this post as general as possible. But including everyone’s specific experience is impossible. However, I feel very confident in saying many if not most women have experienced the issues we will be discussing.

For the entirety of my own history as a geek, I have known that I was never the target audience. Although I could find places to fit myself (Princess Leia, Teela, Cheetara, Jean Grey) the media I loved was not created for me. And the writing or physical representations that were just too over the top for me to stomach I just ignored. However, the last 10 years of geek culture has been amazing to watch. With popular culture becoming, in effect, completely merged with geek culture, the fanbase has been blown open, and has grown and changed in many ways. Some changes scare people. Some changes excite people. Sometimes the original core fanbase is actively hostile to the newcomers. I’m not here to go into all those debates. The fact of the matter is, the paddock fence of geek culture has been blown open, and we can no longer pretend women are the exception, or even the minority gender of geekdom.

This means creators need to take women into account when they portray women. Not only because I am exhausted of internet flame wars (I am), and not only because I would love to see the geek culture move towards inclusion instead of building up the fortress walls, but because embracing the huge female market is only going to translate into profit. Look at Ms. Marvel. Look at Agent Carter. This is a giant underserved market dying to throw money at you. And the truth is, you’re not losing anything by opening the door to inclusion. Look at the recent success of woman-friendly redesigns and relaunches of Ms. Marvel, Batgirl, and Spiderwoman. I also love Marguerite Sauvage's recent version of Wonder Woman.

To the alarmists I say this. Women are not trying to “ruin your fun” — if you look at the fiercest debates, they happen at times when something is specifically being created for women or about women and then handled in a way that seems to not take enough women’s points of view into account. The Newsweek cover was about sexism. Of course you should be asking women how they feel about it. The Spiderwoman variant cover was a relaunch of a woman-fronted superhero book where women were the target audience. Listen to the outrage. The message is this: “We’re fighting so hard for inclusion, and then even in seeming victory, we are not being consulted, and our point of view is not being taken into account.” THAT’S why we’re so upset. We don’t want to take over geek culture and exclude anyone. We just want a place within in we don’t have to keep re-earning over and over.

This is the most important take-away: Including a woman’s point of view does not replace or invalidate the male point of view.

I think about this for every book cover I design. How will this be received by men? How will his be received by women? When there is a woman portrayed on the cover I am hyperaware of this. I will talk about this more in my next column, but the shorthand is, there are ways to please both genders in every depiction of a woman. A woman can be sexy, without being sexualized. A woman can be in an extremely sexy pose, but still have agency. A woman can embrace a diversity of body types. You’ll even find thinking of a sexy woman as a subject instead of an object will make your art better. It will give narrative to the piece. (Forget about gender differences, you should be making sure all your characters have agency and are acting as fleshed-out, emotional subjects.)

 

[Bishop89]

Title should be what it is. There's no defense for people kneejerk replying to articles they didn't read.

I was more replying to the group in this thread which were trying to speak for all women, not so much the article.

 

[HighResTomato]

this has been proven unquestionably false

The character you chose is unquestionably not cool.

Johnson though.

 

[caffeware]

Put a woman with a fit body in that suit and you got zss.

 

[Roto13]

I just realized this Scarlet Witch redesign has dreadlocks. Ewwwwwwwwwwwwww

 

[televator]

I really like the direction of the Samus one. She looks...proficient... Like someone who knows what she's doing instead of someone awkwardly trying to fight in her underwear with heels on.

 

[Giever]

My thing is that there ISN'T a focus on ZSS. There isn't. Not even in Smash, except among competitive players who favor her speed advantage. I can't even truthfully say that Other M had ZSS as a focus, so much as a very poorly used tool to turn Samus into something she's not.

I would almost agree that Fusion Suit Samus would make a good replacement, except that FSS would have the same issue as Dark Samus, except worse. The only thing she really gets in Fusion that could differentiate her is the Fission missile. She'd make more sense as an alt costume.

By "focus" I meant any focus at all. It is an inconsequential aspect of the character that appeared briefly for a segment of a single one of her games (as far as I'm aware). Making ZSS a separate playable character in Smash is like making cap-less Mario a separate playable character in Smash.

It would be better to focus on a combat-oriented variation that actually featured prominently throughout one whole game, at least. I can see how Dark Samus would be better in terms of more varying combat options, but I just think Dark Samus is boring, so.

 

[Cmagus]

The Pirotess artwork reminds me of Emmy from Last Remnant who has some awesome armor design.

 

[JC Sera]

Spoiler

still all the same body shape except for minor variations in hips and T&A

Same problem we had with Overwatch

also the art style rubs me the wrong way, but thats entirely subjective and they have obviously put a lot of work in this

 

[Prax]

It's too bad the quality of the artwork in some of the redesigns aren't more polished or in general better-looking. >_>

But I like the general idea of female characters wearing something a little bit more practical or something they may realistically choose to wear themselves instead of being some kind of sexy dressup doll (whose artists may be too lazy to draw anything more than skin-tight bikinis/leotards lol).

 

[Duane Cunningham]

Some of those are pretty good, a few are pretty bad. Polaris is a weird choice since the "space bikini" outfit that got redesigned is from the late 60's, and since then she really has had a ton of different costumes that run the whole gamut between sexy and functional (not that those are mutually exclusive).

 

[Anton Sugar]

Spoiler

still all the same body shape except for minor variations in hips and T&A

Same problem we had with Overwatch

also the art style rubs me the wrong way, but thats entirely subjective and they have obviously put a lot of work in this

This is true (and undeserving of spoiler tags ) but I think that an exercise involving women whose bodies could be seen as inherently sexy, and then desexualizing them, has merit. Of course, whether or not the actual designs gel with you is subjective.

 

[M1ch04c4n0]

Didn't even bother to let Peach fully load once I get a glimpse of the weapon. She's a princess. It's from the Mario universe. She need to be kidnapped less and be shown as an effective leader more.

The Samus proposal is awful, and is there just because she is showing the impossible Barbie beauty "standard". it's like complaining that female soldiers wear just a T-Shirt under their combat fatigues and not padded, bullet proof armor filled with guns.

The rest are great.

 

[number47]

Arent we just asking for more costumes at this point. I love looking at tits. But a well dressed woman works so well. Some Mary Jane's with a nice business suit.

 

[Dice//]

This is true (and undeserving of spoiler tags ) but I think that an exercise involving women whose bodies could be seen as inherently sexy, and then desexualizing them, has merit. Of course, whether or not the actual designs gel with you is subjective.

Yeah. Well-endowed women happen. I just hate that she's designed a certain way then made to act like "HEY LOOK AT THESE".

byoutiful

 

[Yarbskoo]

By "focus" I meant any focus at all. It is an inconsequential aspect of the character that appeared briefly for a segment of a single one of her games (as far as I'm aware). Making ZSS a separate playable character in Smash is like making cap-less Mario a separate playable character in Smash.

It would be better to focus on a combat-oriented variation that actually featured prominently throughout one whole game, at least. I can see how Dark Samus would be better in terms of more varying combat options, but I just think Dark Samus is boring, so.

I've said this before, but the Zero Suit has appeared in more games than Dark Samus, and was playable in two of them. I say this as someone who wouldn't mind Dark Samus as a playable character in Smash. If you want to talk about an inconsequential aspect of a character that appeared briefly for a single game, maybe Sheik would be a better target.

 

[Anton Sugar]

Arent we just asking for more costumes at this point. I love looking at tits. But a well dressed woman works so well. Some Mary Jane's with a nice business suit.

Accidental double post or...?

The Samus proposal is awful, and is there just because she is showing the impossible Barbie beauty "standard". it's like complaining that female soldiers wear just a T-Shirt under their combat fatigues and not padded, bullet proof armor filled with guns.

There may be a slight difference between wearing BDUs w/a t-shirt vs a skin-tight catsuit. Maybe.

 

[Great Puma]

Spoiler

still all the same body shape except for minor variations in hips and T&A

Same problem we had with Overwatch

also the art style rubs me the wrong way, but thats entirely subjective and they have obviously put a lot of work in this

Good point. If we're taking a pie-in-the-sky look at how females could be shown differently than the norm, it's funny that all of these concepts still stick with the generally accepted ideal body type.

 

[Astral/H3X]

By "focus" I meant any focus at all. It is an inconsequential aspect of the character that appeared briefly for a segment of a single one of her games (as far as I'm aware). Making ZSS a separate playable character in Smash is like making cap-less Mario a separate playable character in Smash.

It would be better to focus on a combat-oriented variation that actually featured prominently throughout one whole game, at least. I can see how Dark Samus would be better in terms of more varying combat options, but I just think Dark Samus is boring, so.

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm not quite. Mario with a hat vs Mario without a hat is inconsequential. The hat does nothing. Samus with a suit, and Samus without a suit, is a major change. While it's weird that ZSS is a seperate character, as opposed to just being a different "mode" of Samus, that's more a result of them removing transformations, and not an intended increase in focus on her.

And that's the thing with Metroid: there are extremely few characters in them. The only other character who has near the prominence of Samus is Ridley, who won't work for Smash, and Dark Samus, who is too close to Samus. If I had the option to choose who would be in the game to complement Samus, and had -only one character slot-, I'd pick ZSS, every time. She's the only one who makes sense from a gameplay perspective, and a fanservice perspective. Every other option has the problem of being either being a literal clone of Samus, being an afterthought character, or just plain being impossible to work in satisfactorily.

 

[Giever]

I've said this before, but the Zero Suit has appeared in more games than Dark Samus, and was playable in two of them. I say this as someone who wouldn't mind Dark Samus as a playable character in Smash. If you want to talk about an inconsequential aspect of a character that appeared briefly for a single game, maybe Sheik would be a better target.

Was the second one Other M? Because I haven't played that one for obvious reasons. Also, there's no reason to target Sheik because she's not controversial.

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm not quite. Mario with a hat vs Mario without a hat is inconsequential. The hat does nothing. Samus with a suit, and Samus without a suit, is a major change.

The hat makes him take less damage!

And that's the thing with Metroid: there are extremely few characters in them. The only other character who has near the prominence of Samus is Ridley, who won't work for Smash, and Dark Samus, who is too close to Samus. If I had the option to choose who would be in the game to complement Samus, and had -only one character slot-, I'd pick ZSS, every time. She's the only one who makes sense from a gameplay perspective, and a fanservice perspective. Every other option has the problem of being either being a literal clone of Samus, being an afterthought character, or just plain being impossible to work in satisfactorily.

I still think that Fusion Suit Samus could be a legitimate contender, and I'm sure Sakurai is capable of making it distinct enough, but I'm losing interest in arguing about it, really, considering we have no power over the decision to begin with and ZSS is probably here to stay regardless.

 

[KingJ2002]

Am I the only one that finds both versions of this to be kinda... Bad? For different reasons on each one. Second one looks like some bad old-school DND design, first one is everything wrong with female Super Hero designs.

And what's with those random ass sneakers?

Your not alone... i always thought Scarlett Witch design was terrible... the redesign is not only terrible but boring... there's no unique attributes to her clothes... if her hands weren't glowing red you wouldn't even know she was a super heroine.

Many of the comic book redesigns... just covered the women up or put biker jackets on them. The fanatsy ones put them in long dresses or thicker suits of armor... many of them did not truly challenge the design principles of the character or help the characters personality out.

Some of them made no sense... Zero Suit Samus is basically Samus without the suit of Armor "Zero Suit"... putting a biker jacket with leg pads reminded me of a bad xzibit meme.

The one redesign i did like... was the one of Emma Frost.

It has a ton more personality than the 90's spice girls look from before.

Overall... I agree that every super heroine seems to just be in different bikini's... but these alternatives have no flavor.

 

[Taiser]

heh

 

[Anton Sugar]

heh

 

[DragonSworne]

I don't understand why none of the redesigns have less clothes.

 

[Deified Data]

I actually quite like the Samus. It replaces the Zero Suit, not her armor, and makes her totally look like an actual bounty hunter. Obviously it wouldn't be worn UNDER her armor (too bulky) but would make sense as a kind of in-between stage.

I admittedly don't play or know a lot about the Metroid series, but I always thought it was weird that Samus was a bounty hunter in this squeaky clean power armor and sleek body suit. When I think of bounty hunters I envision something more along the lines of the re-imagining you posted than her normal appearance.

Being a male, I'll just share my wife's expectation of female characters, which basically aligns with her notion of male characters: be as badass as possible. Her favorite female archetype is probably the Sisters of Battle from Warhammer 40K:

 

[Pezking]

This is some great stuff. A bunch of women concept artists got together and did redesigns on several video game and comic characters:

http://muddycolors.blogspot.com/2015/03/what-women-wantin-women-characters.html

So...it's more like "What a bunch of women concept artists want in women characters", right?

I'm sure that a lot of women prefer the original designs.

 

[SpacePirate Ridley]

Some are bad, some are pretty good, other make no sense what so ever. The majority of the original designs were better.

Samus for example. She doenst need that suit, she has a suit, it get destroyed, thats what she wears down there (not that it couldnt be a better redesign of the zero suit, but this is not it), but why the fuck would she have that when she has a better suit that its her power suit one, this one makes her more agile but defensless so she needs to get to her power suit ASAP. Its stupid, and the design doesnt understand the character NOR gameplay. Would be really good for a completly different character though, and very well drawn.

Peach is terrible. Its like those people drawing mario mature.

I did like more the Emma Frost one, for example, but find it more sexy than the original, even with showing less skin.
Nariko DOES look much better and I find the desing practically the same, so I think its the one that got it more, becuase it didnt change it drastically.

 

[Anton Sugar]

So...it's more like "What a bunch of women concept artists want in women characters", right?

I'm sure that a lot of women prefer the original designs.

If you read just the second paragraph (let alone the whole post), this is covered.

 

[BlackGoku03]

It should surprise me that this thread immediately devolved into "oh okay they didn't ask every woman in the world what they wanted, they just made better designs because that's what they think should happen," but somehow it doesn't.

I'm not even into comics and I would read something using that Storm redesign, though.



It's almost like they're trying to say they don't want women oversexualized with impossibly statuesque standards or something!

Stop it with the nonsense already. I love how people misinterpret simple posts into something else.

It's obvious what they're trying to say. The article kind of spells it out for you or anyone else who read it. What I meant was some of the redesigns simply added garb and clothing but made no real sense in the world they live in. Samus pic is case in point.

I've never liked designs that have women barely wearing anything, especially in an action/adventure setting. It just doesn't make sense. Likewise, just adding shit to cover her up without taking their world into account doesn't make sense either.


If you truly still have a problem with what I said, I can elaborate further.

 

[VanillaCakeIsBurning]

The Pirotess artwork reminds me of Emmy from Last Remnant who has some awesome armor design.

HEAVY STORY SPOILERS for The Last Remnant

How can you post that without also posting one of the best fight scenes in an RPG?

 

[Palculator]

If you read just the second paragraph (let alone the whole post), this is covered.

But there are so many words and syllables...

 

[Alfebit]

Wow, a lot of those redesigns look great.

 

[BeatResetsTheWorld]

By "focus" I meant any focus at all. It is an inconsequential aspect of the character that appeared briefly for a segment of a single one of her games (as far as I'm aware). Making ZSS a separate playable character in Smash is like making cap-less Mario a separate playable character in Smash.

So exactly like Doctor Mario...or Shiek...

 

[hey_it's_that_dog]

My girlfriend likes any type of women character, whether they are pretty bombshells with exposing skin or not. Doesn't matter if they are in a combat role and their outfit doesn't make sense. Im pretty sure you could find ones for males too.

Sounds like she just doesn't care about things. I mean, she literally has no preferences about types? She likes any character just for being a woman? I'd be interested to hear an elaboration on your point.

 

[Kinyou]

Good point. If we're taking a pie-in-the-sky look at how females could be shown differently than the norm, it's funny that all of these concepts still stick with the generally accepted ideal body type.

I could imagine that they artists wouldn't want to get too far away from the original and put more focus on how to change the character as it actually is right now.

 

[Crossing Eden]

By "focus" I meant any focus at all. It is an inconsequential aspect of the character that appeared briefly for a segment of a single one of her games (as far as I'm aware). Making ZSS a separate playable character in Smash is like making cap-less Mario a separate playable character in Smash.

It would be better to focus on a combat-oriented variation that actually featured prominently throughout one whole game, at least. I can see how Dark Samus would be better in terms of more varying combat options, but I just think Dark Samus is boring, so.

Uh.....

 

[Giever]

So exactly like Doctor Mario...or Shiek...

The difference being that people aren't upset with the representation of Dr. Mario or Sheik. I was offering what I thought was a reasonable solution to the problem: stop focusing on a character that has no real need to be focused on anyway. It respects the view that some people have that the Zero Suit is a totally reasonable thing for Samus to wear under her Power Suit, and it eliminates an arguably sexualized character from the main spotlight it has, which is in Smash Bros.

I wasn't saying that ZSS shouldn't be in Smash Bros. because she's inconsequential, I was saying that she has no particular reason to be in Smash Bros. because she's inconsequential. And since she doesn't, and since people get riled up about her, maybe replace her with a better alternative? That's my point.

Uh.....

Yup, Sakurai includes pointless characters in Smash Bros.

 

[A Link to the Past]

I was more replying to the group in this thread which were trying to speak for all women, not so much the article.

No one is saying that all women want a specific thing. That would be ridiculous.

 

[Anton Sugar]

I was more replying to the group in this thread which were trying to speak for all women, not so much the article.

Which group is that? I don't think we really need to add qualifiers of "most" "many" "not all but most" etc. in front of "women" when we make statements that are arguably representative of a large section of that demographic (again, going by this specific author's experience and sexism in general).

 

[Some Nobody]

Let's see if I can offer my opinion without falling into the same sort of pitfalls some of the other guys in here have. I'm only commenting on ones I actually know about.

- Peach: But there's nothing wrong with Peach's design to begin with. Just make her playable and stop having Mario save her all the fucking time. She's a princess dressed like a princess. No needless T&A, nothing impractical about it other than her wearing a fancy ballroom dress but nothing else about that universe makes sense either, so fuck it? Let her be a fancy princess. (The real question is how come she isn't Queen Peach, but there may be an answer to that. I dunno, I'm not a huge Mario fan so I don't know the lore like that.)

- Polaris' re-design is fine and all...but Polaris hasn't actually dressed like that cover in a decade or two. (Sidenote: I'm continuing to make the point that the late 80's and 90's are the biggest offenders to female costumes. Notice how she's mostly clothed, isn't in a "brokeback" pose, and doesn't have wildly exaggerated curves in that old cover? There's a reason for that. Fuckin' Image creators set gender equality back a billion years.) Her latest design is a uniform her entire team wears, and it's pretty functional.

- The problem with "Zero Suit Samus" is that Samus doesn't actually look like that normally. You need a real Metroid game where she's in her REAL iconic armor, wrecking shit. Someone call Nintendo.

- That Scarlet Witch design is so Vertigo it hurts. That's definitely a version of her outfit, but it's certainly not one of the better ones. There's an Uncanny Avengers one linked earlier in the thread that's actually a lot better, and still makes it look like Wanda's a superhero.

- Fuck that Storm design. But then, I've always hated "punk rock" Storm in the first place. My favorite Storm design will forever be the all-white Jim Lee outfit. Baller as fuck.

- Betty Boop was a reasonable improvement, so props for that.

- Morrigan's re-design is weird. Like, she wasn't exactly underdressed in her Dragon Age Inquisition outfit, and you kept the plunging neckline so...what are we gaining here? I'm confused. If anything, she went from modern sorceress to classical which isn't necessarily an improvement.

- I can't place my finger on it, but I legit don't care for that Chun Li re-design. That Alpha design gets rid of the thong and still looks practical, though.

- Emma Frost's re-design is neat. I think it loses some functionality, but neither is particularly functional and its not like Emma's meant for actual fighting as a telepath anyway. So either's fine to me.

- Phoenix makes me sad...but moreso because they chose a Greg Land design instead of what she actually looks like. Those spandex designs have become so much more form-fitting since the late 80's and 90's than they were when that story was told. But I'm not really sure of the medieval look? If anything she's supposed to be an eldritch space goddess so maybe a look that highlights that would be better?

- Hated the Red Sonja look at first because Conan is usually running around in a freaking loin cloth, plus I think Gail's been killing it on Red Sonja too much for people to still take shots at this character, but then I saw that dressed up Conan look and well...what's good for the goose.

- Fran's design is better than the original, but FF12 kinda fell out of favor with me so its whatever there. XD

- That Gamora re-design is terrible. First off, she hasn't looked like that first design in decades. However, I'll concede that the look I enjoyed when she was a part of the real Guardians is probably one of the more problematic female designs. But that one's so uninspired--you just put a gi on her and called it a day. Even the one from the current Guardians book is better.

- The thing about Power Girl is I hate all discussions regarding her, lol. Like, her N52 costume was just fine but it wasn't good enough and we eventually went right back to the boob window so I was like, "fuck it". And I disliked this one at first because it went all super-realistic. But then I noticed she had a big 'ol Power sign on her back and chest, and that's so delightfully ridiculous that I did a complete 180 and loved it. Bonus points if that comes from a new comic where Power Girl is literally like a 10 year old who presses that button on her chest and becomes a superhero, Shazam-style. ^^

- Star Sapphire's look since GL: Rebirth has always been questionable to me. But its another one of those looks where I think if you just got rid of the plunging/non-existant neckline, she'd be fine. Still, the redesign looks neat.

Aaaand that's it. No opinion on the rest, save that they tried to reduce an actual person's boob size, presumably to make them more realistic and that's funny.

 

[Steroyd]

Peach and Zero suit Samus are just flat out no's, the rest aren't particularly bad but there are some really questionable ones like Jean Grey in a full dress... As the pheonix she can fly ffs, that shit ain't practical.

Some designs barely change a thing like covering up Morrigans arms, but leaving her cleavage as is, or inversing where the skin is exposed on Emma Frost, wut!?

 

[Betty]

This is embarrassing and should be rightly held up as what is wrong with female character design.

This is the same person who created arguably the best female character ever.

And knows full well how a combat ready female soldier would look.

Who made one of the most bad ass OLDER women ever, I mean seriously, old women in anything are rare, old women in video games are one in a million, but bad ass old women in videogames? Fucking holy grail rare.

And in general has created tons of female characters that have entire individual identities, power, intelligence and cool.

So all I'm saying is... why don't we wait until the game is out until we judge, sure, Kojima might straight up fuck everything up, but until we know the reason behind her image why not wait and judge then.

Kojima already commented on Quiet and it's hopeful that the end result of her design will be meaningful.
"I know there's people concerning about 'Quiet' but don't worry. I created her character as an antithesis to the women characters appeared in the past fighting game who are excessively exposed. "

She'll be an ANTITHESIS to the types of scantily clad characters from the likes of Dead or Alive and similar titles, that means she's going to be the opposite of those characters.

He then went on to say
"Kojima stated that the concept behind Quiet's design was nudity, "a naked sniper," and reiterated his statement that her reason for looking this way will surprise the audience. .

Furthermore, he stated that characters in the game will question Quiet's appearance as well, and reiterated that she had the design for a reason"
"But once you recognize the secret reason for her exposure, you will feel ashamed of your words & deeds. The response of 'Quiet' disclosure few days ago incited by the net is exactly what 'MGSV' itself is"

A big theme of MGSV is opposties, we still don't know the meaning behind the tagline "From V two phantom's were born", hell we don't know a ton of anything about MGSV yet, because it's not out.

Now if Kojima fails, falls flat on his face, and his reasoning or thematic purpose behind Quiet being clothed the way she is isn't worthwhile enough, then I'll be right there will the rest of you calling foul, but how about we just wait until the game comes out to judge... just an idea.

I remember when everyone panicked after seeing the GTAV map and assumed it was tiny, or that Just Cause 3 would have micotransactions until it was confirmed it wouldn't, even back when Metroid was going to go first person people freaked the fuck out all the way to release.

I'm just saying, judging things before the game is out and allowed to present itself hasn't been the best course of action and there's every chance that could be the same case here.

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