They also don't want the same Wii U/3DS launch results, a large part of which was due to how bad their launch wave titles were. There weren't enough good games to move systems. If they've learned their lesson from this, they're not gonna release a system until they have the resources to have a solid launch line up. And with the amount of Wii U software coming in 2015, I don't see them being able to put out a good launch line up for a home console much earlier than Fall 2018. That is why I would be surprised.
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Nintendo's new platform codename: "Project NX"
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They also don't want the same Wii U/3DS launch results, a large part of which was due to how bad their launch wave titles were. There weren't enough good games to move systems. If they've learned their lesson from this, they're not gonna release a system until they have the resources to have a solid launch line up. And with the amount of Wii U software coming in 2015, I don't see them being able to put out a good launch line up for a home console much earlier than Fall 2018. That is why I would be surprised.
Whatever this brand new idea is, it had better be something which directly improves the basic gaming experience rather than rather clumsily supplementing it, as was the case for the Wii U gamepad. The Wii remote could've been a big step-up on the standard dual analogue controller had it been given more time to develop and used more reliable technology. The pointer alone proves that much, even if motion control was only occasionally utilised properly (Wii Sports, Zack & Wiki, Red Steel 2, etc) and often let down by dodgy gesture reading. I don't expect Nintendo to go VR - although that'd be a perfect excuse for redesigning the Wii remote - but whatever it is they are doing, hopefully it'll be simple, intuitive, cost effective and given enough time to develop into a workable form this time around. In other words, NOT the Wii U with its three different types of controller and useless, overpriced touchscreen.
outunderthestars
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So much this. At that point they might as well go third party. Nintendo also wants the royalty cut that they receive from third party software on their hardware.
Nx ? Nintendo Next ?
it like in yugioh GX ( generation next )
MAJOR Fairy Tail Manga Spoiler , last chapter
http://i.imgur.com/I7VCHVB.jpg
it like in yugioh GX ( generation next )
MAJOR Fairy Tail Manga Spoiler , last chapter
http://i.imgur.com/I7VCHVB.jpg
..a hybrid console also means a higher price (if you want it to be more powerful than Wii U). Better to have two separate machines that run the same OS with scaled hardware.
Basileus777
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Lol. Like Nintendo would ever cut in Valve.
outunderthestars
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Do you honestly think that any AAA first party Wii U projects are getting greenlit at this point? I'd imagine that most games that are in pre-production or are early in production have already been shifted over to the NX.
They have enough teams that seemingly aren't working anything announced thus far. Tokyo EAD, Retro, NST, Next Level Games, some others that I'm forgetting. I think some of these could be working on 2016 projects for Wii U/3DS but I absolutely could see a 2017 or even 2016 release for both platforms.
Orniletter
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We had the same "there are no games" hoop and dance in 2012...and then Nintendo pulled the April 2013 direct out of it's hat.
Then came the late 2013 "where are the 3DS games ?" discussion....and they had...again...enough software to fill 2014 (it was weaker than 2013...sure....but not bad by any means).
I'm sure they have enough thirdparty localizations and a few surprised to tide us over till 2016.
I think late 2016 is more likely (Iwatas comment about Fiscal Year 2017 bringing in "Nintendo-like profits" and he outright said that they'll talk about "Project NX" next year).
Rumors have put AMD behind the CPU/GPU this time, so it will be similar to other consoles.
Nintendo wants to absorb Wii U architecture to a point, I'm assuming this means eDRAM and espresso on an MCM for BC/VC.
Nintendo also wants to create a single platform with multiple devices, meaning a NintenOS running the same games on handheld and console.
A 2016 announcement and 2016 release for a new handheld shouldn't surprise anyone, however they could easily launch both devices next year, running the same games and positioning them as 2 options for the same purpose. The benefit here is that it really doesn't matter which product a consumer buys, they will end up in this ecosystem and spend money for Nintendo, so if the handheld is bought 10 to 1 or vise versa, it doesn't mean much for Nintendo.
Performance wise. The Handheld sitting at or beyond Wii U in performance is pretty likely. If we are talking about AMD, they do already produce an APU that is 128GFLOPs and uses only 2.8watts, considering the chip is developed on 28nm, and 2016 will see 14nm AMD parts, it is very possible to get above Wii U's 176 GFLOPs of performance in only 2 watts.
Best option for Nintendo is a 256ALU handheld clocked at 500MHz giving 256GFLOPs, running 540p resolution top screen at ~5inch. This would give them much more performance than Wii U, and at the limited resolution would be a noticeable step up even.
The console would then release with 8x the performance, this means 1024ALUs clocked at 1GHz giving 2TFLOPs of performance. The reason I suggest this is because it would run 1080p native games, performance would be slightly beyond PS4 in graphics performance while the CPU would trounce it, which is really PS4's Achilles heel. 8GB stacked memory and 64MB eDRAM.
DeNA is a huge asset for Nintendo if their business collaboration succeeds and considering the thirst for Nintendo on mobile, I don't see why it would fail, they would finally have their network and account system set up properly.
Lastly, they should use Game Cards like 3DS, but 16GB in capacity for both platforms, removing the disc component allows the console to be much smaller, gives the true impression that the handheld and console are the same platform, and allows for better marketing of the devices and their games... Not to mention the much larger shelf space. Giving devs options to put any game onto the eshop, and using SDXC cards would allow Nintendo to have giant storage space for their handheld and console without having to rely on frankly dated disc technology.
Nintendo wants to absorb Wii U architecture to a point, I'm assuming this means eDRAM and espresso on an MCM for BC/VC.
Nintendo also wants to create a single platform with multiple devices, meaning a NintenOS running the same games on handheld and console.
A 2016 announcement and 2016 release for a new handheld shouldn't surprise anyone, however they could easily launch both devices next year, running the same games and positioning them as 2 options for the same purpose. The benefit here is that it really doesn't matter which product a consumer buys, they will end up in this ecosystem and spend money for Nintendo, so if the handheld is bought 10 to 1 or vise versa, it doesn't mean much for Nintendo.
Performance wise. The Handheld sitting at or beyond Wii U in performance is pretty likely. If we are talking about AMD, they do already produce an APU that is 128GFLOPs and uses only 2.8watts, considering the chip is developed on 28nm, and 2016 will see 14nm AMD parts, it is very possible to get above Wii U's 176 GFLOPs of performance in only 2 watts.
Best option for Nintendo is a 256ALU handheld clocked at 500MHz giving 256GFLOPs, running 540p resolution top screen at ~5inch. This would give them much more performance than Wii U, and at the limited resolution would be a noticeable step up even.
The console would then release with 8x the performance, this means 1024ALUs clocked at 1GHz giving 2TFLOPs of performance. The reason I suggest this is because it would run 1080p native games, performance would be slightly beyond PS4 in graphics performance while the CPU would trounce it, which is really PS4's Achilles heel. 8GB stacked memory and 64MB eDRAM.
DeNA is a huge asset for Nintendo if their business collaboration succeeds and considering the thirst for Nintendo on mobile, I don't see why it would fail, they would finally have their network and account system set up properly.
Lastly, they should use Game Cards like 3DS, but 16GB in capacity for both platforms, removing the disc component allows the console to be much smaller, gives the true impression that the handheld and console are the same platform, and allows for better marketing of the devices and their games... Not to mention the much larger shelf space. Giving devs options to put any game onto the eshop, and using SDXC cards would allow Nintendo to have giant storage space for their handheld and console without having to rely on frankly dated disc technology.
That's a weird assumption. Of course nothing is announced, but it's Nintendo we're talking about. They'll just pop up some announcements just a few months before the titles gets released. People said the same thing about late 2014/early 2015 schedule, but here we are with a good number of titles during that season for 3DS.
As for the New 3DS games, they announced that they'll make some more exclusives to promote the platform aside from Xenoblade 3D. We just don't know when, and we'll probably hear more as early as E3 this year.
Theonik
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Nintendo Personal Xomputer.
I still remember the original Wii U speculation. You better temper your expectations.
Basileus777
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But 2014 was a shitty year for the 3DS.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Lol
kuroneko0509
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ahahaha
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Famixom
Sorry, where/when did he say that?
Q&A section I assume. One of the questions regarding why they announced NX in this Direct.
I wish I had more faith in Nintendo not coming up with another gigantic clusterf**k as per the Wii U, but they seem to still make one appalling decision for every great one. In my ideal world, they'd redesign the Wiimote Plus - adding four buttons instead of the big 'A', maybe reducing the size of the speaker to find room for an extra analogue stick (not that it needs one, but people get so hung up on dual analogues) - and keep developing that idea, with a big focus on the pointer. Unfortunately, the Wii poisoned the concept pretty thoroughly so it probably wouldn't be the best idea unless they're planning on going VR, which they shouldn't and won't. Whatever their big idea is, hopefully it'll be something simple and cost-effective this time. On the plus side, the fact the slide shows a PC might hint that at a greater awareness of how godawful the Wii U supposedly was to develop for and are considering more friendly, PC-like architecture a la XB1 and PS4.
Yea, I want to think that's the case but Iwata's mentioning the next console today makes me think that Nintendo is hard at work to create big launch titles not to repeat same mistake they have done with 3DS and Wii U. I'm not sure if they have enough resources to support 3DS right now. All we could get may be light stuff like Puzzle & Dragons.
ecosse_011172
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I imagine it's going to be some sort of streaming device thing, those expecting a meaty home console are sadly just setting themselves up for disappointment.
WhoaIsThatMars
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Nintendo NXbox
outunderthestars
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why? none of us got it right, not even usc-fan.
Besides Wii U being more powerful than last gen consoles is pretty much what we ended up with, considering this is just a tad better than PS4 (1.843TFLOPs to 2TFLOPs) it wouldn't be that shocking. it even has less ALUs than the PS4, however AMD couldn't make a worse CPU than the one used in the PS4, so if they are indeed the partner behind the next Nintendo console (they have worked with this same "company" since the N64, as that team created ArtX, was bought by ATI and then bought by AMD) The Next Nintendo console will almost certainly be beyond PS4 in CPU, GPU could go another way, but if their plan is to use the same game in 540p on the handheld and 1080p on the console, the extra performance would be important, you'd want ~5x the handheld minimum, but with extra effects, split screen gaming and other improvements, 8x makes more sense.
Having said the above, I am perfectly happy with my Wii U's performance, it's pretty well thought out for delivering minimal frame loss, and it does surprise me that it is only a 176GFLOPs machine. Wii U's successor will be a step up as Miyamoto wanted the next Mario to be a step forward in terms of graphics.
Well they've literally only announced the codename lol
WhoaIsThatMars
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Give it a couple hours when most people in NA are awake
Most people are still asleep and Nintendo also just announced that they are going mobile
Just wait until 12pm PST tomorrow lol. This place will be a bloodbath.
PattonFiend
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You guys understand this is a replacement for Club Nintendo and not a new console, right?
outunderthestars
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You are confusing the service and the NX platform. The NX was referred to as hardware.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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I know theres a simpsons picture for this
They really didn't. They simply gave a name to something we've known about for a good long while.
Basileus777
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It's new hardware. It's way more than a replacement for Club Nintendo.
Logically the fact that they're supporting smartphones in the first place and want to offer more premium experiences on their dedicated devices (per Iwata) means they're not going to be going as cheap as possible on their hardware.
I think we should have a little more expectation than that, while also keeping in mind it's not going to be a half-generation leap over the PS4
I think we should have a little more expectation than that, while also keeping in mind it's not going to be a half-generation leap over the PS4
WhoaIsThatMars
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Did you read the OP?
PattonFiend
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Thanks for the clarification. So many threads discussing the same thing...
Mentioning it today is more to appease dedicated video game fans with their announcement of making mobile games. It's not really that big of a deal given that they also said before that they were also developing new hardware as early as last year, but they just need to reiterate this and make it somewhat specific for the said fans.
Aside from P&D which is more of a "borrowed IP collab", they did announce a new Fire Emblem title, and hinted at a new 3DS Zelda last year (not the MM3D). They'll still continue with bigger projects for the 3DS though the quantity may not be on par with the previous years.
kever0nicas
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The real next gen starts here!
ecosse_011172
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Dying Platform was the biggest seller in the US last month and had the biggest selling title (I think).
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