Probably through new rim
The text is correct, it says "bases" are supported
I may presume the new rim will be needed though, purely for authorization purposes
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Probably through new rim
The text is correct, it says "bases" are supported
I may presume the new rim will be needed though, purely for authorization purposes
soundscream
Member
Theoretically since the wheel is going to be doing the authentication on the xb1I could see it working.
Edit: yeah just checked Fanatecs blog and both v1 & v2 wheel bases will work on pc/ps4/xb1 (xb1 rim needed for xb1 play)
Only question now would be will the xb1 wheel work with ps4 games because if so that would be at least $100 in savings for a whell that does everything.
Most of the wheels on the market uses the standard ABXY setup.
soundscream
Member
This is good news I can probably get some more money for my turbo s wheel now. (when ever I get off my ass to sell it)
drugstore_cowboy
Member
I'm covered already but a single wheel solution is great news.
Yeah, the CSR Elite also has the Xbox guide button but I guess Sony does not care.
soundscream
Member
It worked on the ps3 and it wasn't an issue then.
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
I hope you're right. Not holding my breath but I won't cave in before GT7 puts the final nail on my hopes' coffin.
It's quite simple. Two things holding back support of legacy wheels:
- Immersion patent
- Security chip on PS4
With Fanatec now supported, both irrelevant!
Logitech is far out the most requested wheel to be supported for the PS4.
It is wise for SMS to slowly announce the news, this way it will be still an alive topic at release, which is still getting further away each month..... ;-)
when Fanatec wheels are in PS3 mode, they are seen as G25/G27, too bad the door doesn't swing both ways.
How so? What if Fanatec paid Immersion?
soundscream
Member
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
Uh? I honestly never knew that. What's the purpose?
What pisses me off is that besides the pedals which I wish I could swap for something better and not just mod, I'm still 100% satisfied with the experience my G27 offers
?
That's the reason piklock is saddened the driver doesn't go both ways in supporting the Logitechs when in Fanatec mode.
I suspect I was mistaken. I thought there was some compat. mode, but it looks like it was just a wheel-based mode for setting the steering lock. Fuck. Was sure there was something else to it.
Ahh yes, sorry. I was just reading from the P-Cars link provided and hadn't check the Fanatec page. That's a fairly critical missing piece of info on the P-Cars page if you're an Xbox owner.
FANATEC Blog said:
Wonder how much Fanatec paid Sony?
Can't see Logitech doing the same.
soundscream
Member
I don't recall any mention of licencing fees. I believe Fanatec (Thomas) was quoted saying something along the lines of "We're ready to go, it's up to Sony" but no specifics around the dollars involved.
was hoping for some possible solution for logitec owners, even though i am not one, shame on me i guess.
soundscream
Member
I must say your persecution posting has been a welcome replacement from the shilling for that product. But the reason you were quoted was because you brought up the ps3 mode for the Fanatec wheels, which is not happening here so there was no point to bring it up. Now if they had to be put into ps3 mode to work it would have been a different story.
Have faith!
So, your take is there was some exclusivity deal between Sony and TM preventing Fanatec from coming to the PS4?
Preventing anyone.
It is two layer security API to get access to USB from slave device.
Somebody had to allow Fanatec to gain such access.
So, Sony had to whitelist Fanatec's devices footprint.
And from what I find interesting, it seems it will be native support, not emulated one. And that is probably the best part of the overall news.
How were legacy USB devices supported in War Thunder, then?
In the same way how Hori sticks will be supported by SFV, or how Driveclub allows for T500 usage. Game almost certainly have part of the software code that allows for such usages and access to USB.
Or Guitar Hero devices.
Sony probably made a math which Microsoft failed to make in past 3 generations and realized how actual profit from "legacy hardware" owners will be probably much greater if they are allowed on this gen as well. Imagine the sway Microsoft could made if Forza3 and Forza 4 were supporting Logitech wheels.
My speculation above, of course.
It really doesn't change anything for many people because Project Cars is also on PC (and best on PC, although the console versions seem to be very impressive as well), the platform that has supported all the wheels anyway and if you were a wheel user, there's a decent chance you were racing on PC already. It's the exclusives that cause more people to buy into new platforms, in my case if Forza 5/Horizon 2 had wheel support (I mean proper wheel support, not support for couple of brand new overpriced wheels), or perhaps even Driveclub.
Good job by the Project Cars team though. Goes to show how messed up the situation is. Sony could score some major points by introducing support to at least the wheels a game on their platform already supports but ever since the launch of the consoles, it seems like they haven't cared all that much about maintaining the lead.
So, nothing has changed from what we've known for months: either a USB device is PS4 licensed (and embeds some kind of security chip) and it's supported at a system/SDK level, either it's not, but still can be supported through the legacy USB stack, as long as the developers bring the required support for it in their games.
There, it looks like Fanatec legacy wheels will be getting some limited support with PCars on the PS4, because SMS is including some code in their game to support them.
So, except for the fact that people will get a chance to use their legacy Fanatec wheels with PCars on the PS4, I'm not sure how the situation is any different than what it was before: wheel makers still have to deal with the technologies they license and still have to provide drivers for their devices.
I don't see how this would clear the path for Logitech wheels support, frankly.
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
or PS3 sticks on Skullgirls/MKX.
It's commercially smart thinking.....
Thrustmaster gets a deal as the first to announce it's support in the game.
This way they sell new wheels to users who are willing to buy a new wheel and want to be sure to be able to drive on day one.
Fanatec was lobbying hard, so naturally they get second spot.
Logitech is surely to follow.
It is quite logical, because of danger of cartell lawsuits and stuff like that. Sony would never risk that.
This is nothing more than commercial thinking and has nothing to do with any technical aspect of connecting to the PS4.
As said before, if Sony decides they want to be able to connect a controller, they can.
Well, another small detail:
Dates are interesting.
It has been exactly 17 months since Thrustmaster has announced its deal with SCEE:
http://www.thrustmaster.com/en_UK/n...al-partner-sony-computer-entertainment-europe
And it will be roughly 18 months (give or take 10 days) when pCARS releases on PS4.
It was maybe an 18-month exclusivity deal for Thrustmaster for PS4.
On April 21st it will be exactly 18 month since above official partnership has been formally announced.
Dates are interesting.
It has been exactly 17 months since Thrustmaster has announced its deal with SCEE:
http://www.thrustmaster.com/en_UK/n...al-partner-sony-computer-entertainment-europe
And it will be roughly 18 months (give or take 10 days) when pCARS releases on PS4.
It was maybe an 18-month exclusivity deal for Thrustmaster for PS4.
On April 21st it will be exactly 18 month since above official partnership has been formally announced.
Still all speculation offcourse, but it does seem to fit!
How is it smart?
I can't fathom why Thrustmaster hasn't bragged about its exclusivity deal with Sony, if they had one.
Telling gamers that their wheels would be the only option to play DriveClub (initially expected on November 2013) or Project Cars (initially expected on November 2014) with a wheel on a PS4 would certainly have helped them selling wheels more than remaining silent about this (possibly costly) exclusivity deal.
That's why I don't buy this, it just makes no sense.
I'll eat crow if they do.
If they had bragged about the exclusivity deal, it would also say it is temporary, which would do no good.
It's marketing stategy, just act like no one else is around and people start believing it.
As said, all speculation on my part, but I know a thing or two about marketing strategies, and (mis)information, NDA's etc.
For the sake of all Logitech users, I hope I am right.
soundscream
Member
18 months would seem odd, you would think deals would exist on a yearly basis.
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Any chance a wheel will come out that can be used for both Xbox One and PS4? I don't want to buy two or have to choose.
The Fanatec CSW with the upcoming Xbox rim is your only option.
I hope you got a spare kidney.
So the pCARS delay was quite deliberate to synchromesh with this date...
My thoughts as well. Maybe the delay was not directly connected to this but the date chosen for the delay was likely linked.
I honestly never thought we would see this day. Let's just hope PD don't muck things up with a deal with Thrustmaster for GT7. I don't think they will though. GT Academy would be a crap shoot on the PS4 if Logitech AND Fanatec owners had to buy new wheels.
Also, somehow I feel this is relevant...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=O_5n82WOQ0g#t=25
I'm still in shock about the announcement. Like you, I never really believed any compromise would be found. And guess what, Sony? I'm now very likely to spend £300 on your console and a further £500 annually on your games. That wasn't so very hard now, was it?
Microsoft, please take note.
seattle6418
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They have to get Logitech wheels for PS4. If translator san and Kaz are to be believed, it´s just a matter of getting things done.
Pcars can´t release on PS4 without Logitech support. For every Fanatec wheel out there there´s like 10-15 G25´s and G27´s. Outside of North America and Europe, Fanatec doesn´t really exist. I for once, never seen one of their wheels on sale.
Point is, Pcars is already a game made for "hardcore" sim users, they cannot alienate a huge part of the userbase just because of some drivers compatibility BS. Hopefully this gets sorted out before may, i have no intention on buying a new wheel because there´s nothing wrong with mine.
If i had a good PC this would be a moot point because i could buy the superior version, but since i don´t have it, i expect to play properly on PS4.
Pcars can´t release on PS4 without Logitech support. For every Fanatec wheel out there there´s like 10-15 G25´s and G27´s. Outside of North America and Europe, Fanatec doesn´t really exist. I for once, never seen one of their wheels on sale.
Point is, Pcars is already a game made for "hardcore" sim users, they cannot alienate a huge part of the userbase just because of some drivers compatibility BS. Hopefully this gets sorted out before may, i have no intention on buying a new wheel because there´s nothing wrong with mine.
If i had a good PC this would be a moot point because i could buy the superior version, but since i don´t have it, i expect to play properly on PS4.
I'm not sure you ever would - aren't they almost exclusively available mail order from Fanatec?
soundscream
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I'm almost 100% sure you can only get them online. I remember there being an issue with Australia but I don't know if it was just about distribution.
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