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[Fine Ham Abounds]

I despise Bloodborne. It's a console arcade experience with old school game design ideas of extreme difficulty, repetition, memorization, timing, etc. The design comes from a time where games had limited resources and had to artificially create challenge so the player wouldn't reach the end too fast (and to generate more coin-op revenue).

I love the art and mood, but despise the gameplay. I feel Diablo 3 Hardcore and Dragon Age Inquisition Nightmare modes supply the right combination of challenge and reward without the repetition, tedium, and reliance almost purely on your mental and manual dexterity.

I feel Bloodborne is more appropriate for hardcore console action game fans of the DMC, Castelvania, and Ninja Gaiden ilk, than it is for your typical RPG fan.

Somewhere in here is actually a pretty decent assessment of how these games differ from other RPGs, but I'm pretty sure the same is true for many action RPGs.

Also, there's a group of people who consider the only legitimate clear of an arcade game is with one credit.

As long as that is technically possible and consistently reproducible, regardless of whether the skill required is unattainable for 90% of the population, I find it hard to consider the game cheap.

Really, the hardest thing about these games is not defeating yourself. Patience is the core skill required for these games, and I think artificially inflates the consideration of how difficult they actually are.

 

[Rhaknar]

yo

Spoiler

Upper Cathedral

is no joke, even at my lvl

 

[Meckaj]

What is the point of shiny coins? I used them once, but didn't see anything happen :|

I kind of figured they were the equivalent of Prism Stones in this game.

 

[Ethelwulf]

The more I read this thread, the more I realize how much there's still to discover... Even without counting spoiler tags which of course I avoid.

 

[Nothing1016]

How far are you guys pushing your END stats?

I'm level 74 and only have 15 End. Lol

 

[Aztechnology]

I feel the toughest boss in the game. The guy gots some False King Allant speed.

It's always interesting to see who had trouble with what bosses. The Two for me were

Spoiler

Rom

and

Spoiler

Logarius

, they were the only bosses in the game that I had to attempt more than twice. Maybe it's because I started doing chalice dungeons at the end after

Spoiler

The wet Nurse

so I leveled up a bit, but I found

Spoiler

Gehrman

incredibly easy, more so than other

Spoiler

hunters in the game.

 

[zewone]

Nevermind.

 

[Akai XIII]

I have 54 insight... What is the next "eventful" quantity? 60+?

Had the

Spoiler

soot monsters

appear in the C

Spoiler

harnel

. The guys in GC have

Spoiler

eyeball lanturns.

.

I beat A

Spoiler

mygdala

. I've got

Spoiler

cainhurst and the murgo (sp?) base... Where should I go? I beat Rom and TOR.

 

[Maybesew]

How far are you guys pushing your END stats?

Just watched elajjaz speed run the game and never raised it over 10. Couldn't believe it. Mine is now up to 20.

 

[theSlacker]

I am inclined to state that FromSoft currently has the best level designers in the business.

There are a lot systems and things I miss from the previous souls games, but the level design makes up for it. It is god damn amazing in this game.

 

[PedroLumpy]

I think I may have just confused the hell out of someone in Old Yharnham. I got summoned on the other side of the locked door that leads to the shortcut to the boss. I opened the door so I could meet up with him, but he chose that shortcut to explore first. By the time we found the other mini shortcut I think he had no idea where the hell he was.

I managed to get his attention and lead him back to the start to take the proper route through the level. But he was almost immediately

Spoiler

gunned down

and died.

Wherever you are Bones, I hope you get through okay!

 

[Jobbs]

I despise Bloodborne. It's a console arcade experience with old school game design ideas of extreme difficulty, repetition, memorization, timing, etc. The design comes from a time where games had limited resources and had to artificially create challenge so the player wouldn't reach the end too fast (and to generate more coin-op revenue).

I love the art and mood, but despise the gameplay. I feel Diablo 3 Hardcore and Dragon Age Inquisition Nightmare modes supply the right combination of challenge and reward without the repetition, tedium, and reliance almost purely on your mental and manual dexterity.

I feel Bloodborne is more appropriate for hardcore console action game fans of the DMC, Castelvania, and Ninja Gaiden ilk, than it is for your typical RPG fan.

I find this so opposite reality that it's making my head spin. Yes, you die a lot, especially as you're learning, but Bloodborne (and Souls games in general) are very rarely outright unfair to where you couldn't have avoided the death. I can't agree.

 

[Finalow]

I've made a huge mistake.

I wasn't getting Blood Chunk drops to upgrade my weapons to +7 and beyond, so consumed all my Madman's Knowledge to get a lot of insight, in order to get better drops.

Turns out I just selected the "Very Hard" button. At only 61 Insight everything is way, way harder. Each enemy does a ton of damage, not to mention (

Spoiler

Giant fucking Amygdala spiders everywhere

).

Debating right now whether to keep going like this or spend all my Insight.

uh, the spiders are there for story progression. not sure what enemy now does a lot of damage but there are some enemies which seem the same but they're in late-game areas and they do much more damage regardless of your Insight.
I was running with 99 (the max) for quite some time and I didn't really see any drastic changes in damage done by enemies.

 

[aravuus]

Yeah what a shocker. >.> that's not what i was saying at all.

He says he wants to solo bosses but he would rather do co-op because of the clear immediacy of defeating bosses instead of having to wait and run abit.

Oh whoops, my bad then. Lots of people keep saying stupid shit like coop being a 'wrong way' to play the game and whatnot, so I'm quick to jump at those comments. Sorry about that.

Don't worry, the Chalice Dungeons have your back. They will disabuse you of this "easy" notion.

Can't wait lol

 

[Sullichin]

It's always interesting to see who had trouble with what bosses. The Two for me were

Spoiler

Rom

and

Spoiler

Logarius

, they were the only bosses in the game that I had to attempt more than twice. Maybe it's because I started doing chalice dungeons at the end after

Spoiler

The wet Nurse

so I leveled up a bit, but I found

Spoiler

Gehrman

incredibly easy, more so than other

Spoiler

hunters in the game.

How much VIT did you have fighting

Spoiler

Gehrman

?

 

[Rubenov]

Insight doesn't affect item discovery, your arcane stat does

Are you sure about this?

 

[razgriz417]

Has this been posted yet?

http://www.reddit.com/r/bloodborne/comments/30ug81/elajjaz_just_got_all_bosses_wr_24410/

Speed run of Bloodborne done in

In Game Time:

Spoiler

2:44:10

Real Time:

Spoiler

3:15.55

dat load....

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

Spoiler

Paarl

is such an A hole

 

[Chance Hale]

Is the V

Spoiler

icar

lantern supposed to be unwarpable?

 

[Cess007]

Oh man, this game is really something else.

I just beat

Spoiler

the Gatlin gun guy

and i was exploring deeper and deeper. Suddenly i was way to far, haven't found any lamp, got like 10+ echoes, i was out of Vials and Bullets and i kinda started to freak out searching for a lamp.

Then suddenly i went up some stairs and found a shortcut to my last lamp. I don't remember feeling this kind of relief in years!

 

[Beats]

Has this been posted yet?

http://www.reddit.com/r/bloodborne/comments/30ug81/elajjaz_just_got_all_bosses_wr_24410/

Speed run of Bloodborne done in

In Game Time:

Spoiler

2:44:10

Real Time:

Spoiler

3:15.55

dat load....

damn, that's a lot of loading.

Makes me wonder how much of my 29 hour playthrough was loading lol.

 

[aravuus]

I despise Bloodborne. It's a console arcade experience with old school game design ideas of extreme difficulty, repetition, memorization, timing, etc. The design comes from a time where games had limited resources and had to artificially create challenge so the player wouldn't reach the end too fast (and to generate more coin-op revenue).

I love the art and mood, but despise the gameplay. I feel Diablo 3 Hardcore and Dragon Age Inquisition Nightmare modes supply the right combination of challenge and reward without the repetition, tedium, and reliance almost purely on your mental and manual dexterity.

I feel Bloodborne is more appropriate for hardcore console action game fans of the DMC, Castelvania, and Ninja Gaiden ilk, than it is for your typical RPG fan.

This is such a weird post. Like wtf

I feel Bloodborne is more appropriate for hardcore console action game fans of the DMC, Castelvania, and Ninja Gaiden ilk, than it is for your typical RPG fan.

This part is absolutely right, impossible to argue really

But then

I despise Bloodborne. It's a console arcade experience with old school game design ideas of extreme difficulty, repetition, memorization, timing, etc. The design comes from a time where games had limited resources and had to artificially create challenge so the player wouldn't reach the end too fast (and to generate more coin-op revenue).

I love the art and mood, but despise the gameplay. I feel Diablo 3 Hardcore and Dragon Age Inquisition Nightmare modes supply the right combination of challenge and reward without the repetition, tedium, and reliance almost purely on your mental and manual dexterity.

This part is legit wrong. Like, simply just not correct. It just isn't like that. Man. I'm so conflicted.

 

[Ferrio]

Is the V

Spoiler

icar

lantern supposed to be unwarpable?

Spoiler

At a point in the game yes... go check it out

 

[Marvel]

How far are you guys pushing your END stats?

Think mine is like 14... I really need to up it. Esp for Burial Blade's trickmode.

 

[Dahbomb]

Has this been posted yet?

http://www.reddit.com/r/bloodborne/comments/30ug81/elajjaz_just_got_all_bosses_wr_24410/

Speed run of Bloodborne done in

In Game Time:

Spoiler

2:44:10

Real Time:

Spoiler

3:15.55

dat load....

That's a lot longer than I expected. I expected the game to be finished in less than 2 hours.

 

[LiK]

Is the V

Spoiler

icar

lantern supposed to be unwarpable?

Go take a look

 

[mattiewheels]

Doesn't happen at all with me, but I'm regretting that this game will end very shortly, so I'm hunting around for all the little nooks I missed. Anyone want to give me more places I missed? I've already been through

Spoiler

the optional Castle

and

Spoiler

the Healing Workshop Orphanage

, I have the

Spoiler

Grand Cathedral and Unseen Chapel

hunters in my sights and I'm trying to figure out where to open the door in that little tomb under the huge boulder swinging giant on the left path from the Chapel...

 

[razgriz417]

Spoiler

Paarl

is such an A hole

What weapon are you using? I beat him first try with pretty much just Ludwig +6 at lvl 43 just R1 in 2h mode

Spoiler

Aim for the head, if you hit him he loses his electricity

 

[30yearsofhurt]

I'm a bit confused.
I have 31 insight. Is this unspent insight making the game harder for me?
What can I spend it on if I only want to play offline?

 

[zewone]

It's always interesting to see who had trouble with what bosses. The Two for me were

Spoiler

Rom

and

Spoiler

Logarius

, they were the only bosses in the game that I had to attempt more than twice. Maybe it's because I started doing chalice dungeons at the end after

Spoiler

The wet Nurse

so I leveled up a bit, but I found

Spoiler

Gehrman

incredibly easy, more so than other

Spoiler

hunters in the game.

I didn't attempt chalice dungeons until after beating the game. And the two bosses you mentioned I finished on first try. Heh, it is funny how different styles make certain fights difficult.

People complained of BSB but I finished him the first time without getting hit once (his last auto poison did get me though).

 

[elhav]

Spoiler

Paarl

is such an A hole

Indeed.

In fact,

Spoiler

Paarl

was the only boss I've fought with someone helping me. Jeez he was annoying

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

What weapon are you using? I beat him first try with pretty much just Ludwig +6 at lvl 43 just R1 in 2h mode

Spoiler

Aim for the head, if you hit him he loses his electricity

Ooh nice. I don't have Ludwig so I'm using 6+ Saw Carver

 

[autoduelist]

Man, I'm a Demon's/Dark Souls vet and that first boss, man. I don't know what it was, but something about the music and his shrieks just did my head in. I managed to kill him my second try (I was woefully underprepared the first time) but... I pretty much got lucky by getting behind him. I thought I was toast.

I still don't have parrying down at all. I never really parry much in games, and here it seems very useful against many of the enemies.

Taking down the boss let me level up a couple times, which maybe will help.

I was never a magic user in D*Souls, but I definitely was a shield user and relied on endurance counters. So combat is just... different.

Amazing game though. I wish I had more time to play it; 45 min to an hour a day is making it really hard to have any progress.

 

[Beelzebufo]

Spoiler

Paarl

is such an A hole

He would be easy if the lock-on wasn't so bad for him.

 

[XxRampage07xX]

So after killing the

Spoiler

Witch

, where am I supposed to go next guy? I see a giant door to the right of Grand Cathedral but it's locked. More than that, whenever I come close to it, a black hole appears next to me and probably tries to suck me in. What should I do, guys?

From what I understand they are to help show places you have been to already.

I don't really understand the mechanics like what's the indication of me being on the right path.

 

[Rubenov]

uh, the spiders are there for story progression. not sure what enemy now does a lot of damage but there are some enemies which seem the same but they're in late-game areas and they do much more damage regardless of your Insight.
I was running with 99 (the max) for quite some time and I didn't really see any drastic changes in damage done by enemies.

Maybe you were used to it? As I said, I jumped 30 Insight levels in a second and noticed a marked difference. I have no reason to make that up.

 

[CouchMaster]

From reddit

:lol

 

[yami4ct]

It's always interesting to see who had trouble with what bosses. The Two for me were

Spoiler

Rom

and

Spoiler

Logarius

, they were the only bosses in the game that I had to attempt more than twice. Maybe it's because I started doing chalice dungeons at the end after

Spoiler

The wet Nurse

so I leveled up a bit, but I found

Spoiler

Gehrman

incredibly easy, more so than other

Spoiler

hunters in the game.

Finished like 6 bosses so far. Most of been trivial. Only one I had serious trouble with was VA and that was just me playing like crap. SY was a bit tricky, but fun in a strategic way.

 

[Finalow]

Has this been posted yet?

http://www.reddit.com/r/bloodborne/comments/30ug81/elajjaz_just_got_all_bosses_wr_24410/

Speed run of Bloodborne done in

In Game Time:

Spoiler

2:44:10

Real Time:

Spoiler

3:15.55

dat load....

oh yeah, that dude who has been streaming for a couple of days. he did "all bosses" run so it should be a pretty long one.

you get time to think on what to do next when the game is loading, at least.

 

[Marvel]

Indeed.

In fact,

Spoiler

Paarl

was the only boss I've fought with someone helping me. Jeez he was annoying

I never did beat that fucker granted I only tried once... I'm really not looking forward to him on this NG+ mode I'm doing.

 

[ogbg]

I'm a bit confused.
I have 31 insight. Is this unspent insight making the game harder for me?
What can I spend it on if I only want to play offline?

Blood stone shards, twin blood stone shards, outfits

 

[Donos]

Cool, thanks. I got both of those. Guess I just gotta keep on one path.

If you opened the second one

Spoiler

(iron gate) then from the lamp it's just elevator > keep right at the wall till you come to a drop (with an hooded axe guy) > drop > keep a bit right (since to your right is a cliff) a small drop to a way with lamps, follow it but keep right till the iron gate shortcut. Then just follow the path till fog.

 

[Aztechnology]

How much VIT did you have fighting

Spoiler

Gehrman

?

25

I actually just started upgrading it during chalice dungeons as most the game I was between 15-25. From what I've heard about

Spoiler

Defiled

chalices I'm going to need it. Only at 32 currently XD.

 

[TheWriter]

So I'm in New Game Plus at the Forbidden Woods boss, got summoned 2 times, and both times it was the New Game version. I killed each dude with 5 sword slashes.
Either the level barrier is non-existant on NG+, or that boss fight is glitched in multiple ways.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

Hmm I can't stop his charge up though right?

 

[Duxxy3]

Has this been posted yet?

http://www.reddit.com/r/bloodborne/comments/30ug81/elajjaz_just_got_all_bosses_wr_24410/

Speed run of Bloodborne done in

In Game Time:

Spoiler

2:44:10

Real Time:

Spoiler

3:15.55

dat load....

Wow. Crazy to actually see how much those 30-40 seconds adds up. A half hour of loading. Damn.

 

[zlatko]

I could really use help on the Cainhurst boss. I have the shortcuts ready to get us there.

Anyone available to do so if I ring the bell from first lantern ?

 

[PedroLumpy]

Are you sure about this?

Well, it goes up from raising your Arcane, not your Insight. Try it next time you level up.

 

[Matt_]

A question about

Spoiler

Eileen
does she just disappear after the final hunter fight, the one that gives you the rune and she gets really injured at?
Ive beat the dude and don't know where shes gone

 

[Yshi]

From reddit



:lol

That happen to me,but I didnt fall he did, so I just went down the ladder... and for my surprise he wasnt dead... wasted all my blood vials fighting him, and almost died.