StarSketch
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Wasn't Mercer taking over for Kanji's new Golden audio? Also wasn't there like a 4 year gap between Golden and PS2 P4?
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Wasn't Mercer taking over for Kanji's new Golden audio? Also wasn't there like a 4 year gap between Golden and PS2 P4?
Modest Mauser
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I believe Baker offered to reprise his role for Golden.
Yeah, you're right. I guess Burning Petals was noticeable to me because its SP cost was so low that it could be used as a single-target skill, just because Yukiko has so much SP.
Strange Journey was a really weird case. Each fusion would give the demon fixed skills that couldn't be picked from the materials, but then if you added a demon source, you'd get randomized skills from it and the original source. Not really sure why they did it that way.
I never noticed Yosuke being off, but I noticed that Kanji and (December spoilers)
Namatame
Namatame
Pretty sure Mercer didn't enter the picture until last year for the games.
atlusprime
Atlus PR
Man, when you look at it in list form, looks kind of crazy, huh?
It is a lot of stuff, with one of them needing to be on the top of that list. Keep announcing stuff without a concrete date for a flagship franchise = worrisome.
A new episode of Persona Stalker Club was released.
It was a pretty good episode. They break down the P5 trailer, including basically confirming that the tanuki character is someone we haven't seen yet. Even though they do some pretty detailed analysis, they unfortunately didn't give us a pronunciation of 杏. (My money's still on Anne)
It was a pretty good episode. They break down the P5 trailer, including basically confirming that the tanuki character is someone we haven't seen yet. Even though they do some pretty detailed analysis, they unfortunately didn't give us a pronunciation of 杏. (My money's still on Anne)
Tons of high quality games too... Atlus's output is incredible
Lollipop Dave
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I'm really looking forward to 3 of those games.
Atlus is localizing the 3DS Attack on Titan game, I believe. Not sure if officially confirmed. Trademark stuff revealed it a while back
They've also been dropping not so subtle hints on Twitter about it, it'll likely be announced on Nintendo Direct tomorrow
It's been all but confirmed. Between the trademark and the vine where they quoted the opening to Attack on Titan, it's coming. Tomorrow in the Nintendo Direct, certainly.
If by "not so subtle hints" you mean they've basically said it's coming in the Direct tomorrow, then yes.
Megidolaon
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So Persona-GAF I'm about to start up P4G tonight for the first time on my VitaTV. I know it's universally acclaimed as the definitive version but I got some questions.
I heard a long time ago that there was some questionable fanservice parts. How much of the new content in Golden is good? Or is most of it just kind of, well, otaku pandering? I don't mind like a beach scene. By otaku pandering I mean, I guess perverted anime tropey stuff like nosebleeds and guys getting beat up HAHA SO FUNNY. I hate that stuff.
That was the one thing even in the original P4 I found was slightly annoying at times. Compared to 3, it was a bit more tropey. Yosuke and Teddie acting really thirsty and stuff ALL THE TIME, Chie then gets super pissed. Junpei and Yukari acted more natural, even though the dynamic was similar.
I heard a long time ago that there was some questionable fanservice parts. How much of the new content in Golden is good? Or is most of it just kind of, well, otaku pandering? I don't mind like a beach scene. By otaku pandering I mean, I guess perverted anime tropey stuff like nosebleeds and guys getting beat up HAHA SO FUNNY. I hate that stuff.
That was the one thing even in the original P4 I found was slightly annoying at times. Compared to 3, it was a bit more tropey. Yosuke and Teddie acting really thirsty and stuff ALL THE TIME, Chie then gets super pissed. Junpei and Yukari acted more natural, even though the dynamic was similar.
cj_iwakura
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I'm really not interested in most of their 2015 output. XSeed and Aksys have been burying them as of late.
No one's really looking at Stella Glow or Lost Dimension and going wow that looks awesome.
Not to hate, but they just seem... generic. (See also: Conception II and Tears to Tiara)
Tokyo Twilight Ghost Hunters is probably the best out-of-left-field localization this year so far.
No one's really looking at Stella Glow or Lost Dimension and going wow that looks awesome.
Not to hate, but they just seem... generic. (See also: Conception II and Tears to Tiara)
Tokyo Twilight Ghost Hunters is probably the best out-of-left-field localization this year so far.
Heavenly_Spear
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Mm, I'm still just in the middle of P4G, but the beach event was actually pretty funny and not gross or pandering. I hear tho that they added more stuff to the hot springs event which is(like more anime cut scenes with fan-service) . Siighhh.
Megidolaon
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Glad about the beach scene, but yeah too bad about the hot springs.
I really hope P5 doesn't have any of that stuff in it. Like, I hope the blonde kid isn't a pervert, or there's fanservice with the girl. Yeah, her outfit as a thief is a bit sexy, but it's kinda styled after a comic book catwoman style, so that's kinda the point.
cj_iwakura
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If it makes you feel any better, Hashino wasn't responsible.
That's pretty much the main reason I don't want P4G. That and I'm happy with the PS2 version.
Heavenly_Spear
Neo Member
I'm actually pretty interested in Lost Dimension. I remember first hearing about it last year and my interest peaked even more when I heard the team that work on Strange Journey are on it.
And I've been thinking of getting TGH. Is it good?
cj_iwakura
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The artwork and story is great. The actual gameplay... well, they certainly try new things. It's worth a shot. It's a breath of fresh air, if nothing else.
Heavenly_Spear
Neo Member
He wasn't? Mm, so they had a different writer(s) for the extra scenarios in p4g? Didn't know that, but that's good to hear.
Well, since Hashino wasn't responsible for the cringy fanservice in golden, probably not. We probably will have some form of fanservice, but nothing like those in golden....hopefully.
cj_iwakura
Member
P5's bound to have SOMETHING, but even P3 and P4's was still fairly tame compared to Idea Hacktory's output.
Megidolaon
Member
Well, it's good to know that Hashino isn't responsible. Everything he's said so far about P5 sounds great.
Btw how is Marie? is she really annoying or is she a decent character addition?
Btw how is Marie? is she really annoying or is she a decent character addition?
Heavenly_Spear
Neo Member
MMm, so far I don't really have a strong opinion on her? I'm only about half way through her sl. The only thing I guess that's cringe worthy from her are her damn poems. They read like something some angsty 13 year old me would write, heh. But so far I'm trying to keep my opinion on her neutral until I complete her story arch. I like giving new characters a chance. She does look a lot like Nana Osaka from Nana, which makes me totally dig her design at least. *0*
People's biggest complaint is that she comes off as shoehorned if you're used to the cast dynamics without her.
And her poems, which can be skipped through.
You'll deal. Most of the new events are mostly in-line with Persona 4 (and pretty fun, imo), though there's this hot springs scene that's somewhat egregious.
Megidolaon
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Ok, so Marie seems to be decent and aside form the hot spring, everything seems to be pretty good. Plus all the gameplay additions. Cool.
The videos or the playlists?
Personally, I still can't look at the golden as the definitive version. There's a lot of things to love, but it's just not as good as the original. I accept that this purely comes down to my taste.
I think P4G runs long in the tooth and the additional dungeon really messes up the otherwise pretty good pacing.
It's not bad, but I just think having a tighter experience helps the original stand out above the second one.
I think P4G runs long in the tooth and the additional dungeon really messes up the otherwise pretty good pacing.
It's not bad, but I just think having a tighter experience helps the original stand out above the second one.
A Dead Diehard
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imo she isn't as forced as some people claim. I went through the whole game as her friend and nothing felt out of place.
And having played P4 vanilla 2-3 times before Golden, I thought it was fun to see her additions. IIRC, pretty much all of Marie's content consists of additions, not changes.
EDIT: Also, the new hot springs scene for Golden was better than the one in Vanilla because, if nothing else, it's mercifully shorter.
Green Mamba
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Marie is the worst, I don't think I enjoyed anything about her character--
The extra time added between December and the final day are a nice bonus for returning players, but it completely ruins the pacing of the ending.
I would personally recommend avoiding Marie's Social Link if you were to play P4G as your first play through of P4 just for that reason, to experience the ending as it was supposed to be experienced.
There's a lot of good added in Golden but it's not all golden. I'd still say it's overall the definitive version, but for every Epilogue and New Years Eve there's a band scene and a second (second!) hot springs event.
The best things that Golden added, I think, were more system level additions--Persona fusion, costumes, the ability to walk around at night, and a lot of the smaller, incidental things. The added scenes and story were mostly weaker.
Social Link, extra dungeon, the way she's painfully, painfully linked to the villains, design, anything. I absolutely detest the way they fumbled around linking her to Izanami in a boring exposition dump after you killed Izanami.
The extra time added between December and the final day are a nice bonus for returning players, but it completely ruins the pacing of the ending.
Ameno-Sagiri is the conclusion of the story, flat out. Izanami is essentially an epilogue tying up loose ends. The extra time added in Golden removes a lot of the weight that the battle against Ameno-Sagiri has while leaving the encounter with Izanami largely untouched, so it feels like it ends on a weaker note, as it loses all of the original ending's building crisis in December by separating the two so much. Doesn't help that Marie's garbage has the story impact of a big wet fart.
There's a lot of good added in Golden but it's not all golden. I'd still say it's overall the definitive version, but for every Epilogue and New Years Eve there's a band scene and a second (second!) hot springs event.
The best things that Golden added, I think, were more system level additions--Persona fusion, costumes, the ability to walk around at night, and a lot of the smaller, incidental things. The added scenes and story were mostly weaker.
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Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
I was wondering what happened.
I mean it is pretty much piracy, so no surprises really.
I mean it is pretty much piracy, so no surprises really.
A Dead Diehard
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They link her to
Izanami starting at the conversation before Marie's boss fight.
Odd situation.
Has Atlus and/or Sega actually start caring... Or is it a coincidence? Hmm...
They've always cared. atlustube's been active in removing videos that encroach too much on their copyright, such as re-uploads from Persona Stalker Club segments or those Persona concert videos. Sometimes, though, it probably gets to a point where it isn't worth it, such as with OST uploads when a song becomes widely available.
Oh, I was simply assuming it was OSTs. Since they don't seem to care (enough) to make any real action on those (like most game companies with their OSTs).
If the playlist was of other things significantly to make up a lot of that half, then I will concede my point entirely.
Green Mamba
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I meant when Marie flat out says after the Izanami fight that she is actually "Izanami-no-Okami." Removes a lot of the finality that the fight against Izanami had and the connection is entirely unearned by both the character and the game.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Which is why when they make another definite edition for P5 they should just go for the adding FeMC route instead of tacking on unnecessary shit. >_> <_<
A Dead Diehard
Member
So the scene with her after
the final boss? I'm not sure what to say to this. How exactly is it unearned?
Green Mamba
Member
Because it's an exposition dump in the Velvet Room after everything actually meaningful has already happened. It has no bearing on what actually happened during your encounter with Izanami--everything plays out identically, but then, afterwards, Marie appears and says "Actually I was Izanami." There's no actual weight behind it. It feels like a last ditch effort to entrench the character into the actual story and it just falls completely flat.
I sometimes like to wonder what a female route in P4 would have played out like. I think that would have been a better choice than a lot of the new stuff they added in Golden.
A Dead Diehard
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It's not like they didn't foreshadow/outright state it beforehand.
She says she was sent by an unknown entity to walk among the people during her dungeon. In March, Izanami outright says that Marie is a part of her right after you make her reveal her true identity at the gas station. And that last scene was more her fading away than revealing her full name as no-Mikoto.
Green Mamba
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I didn't say it wasn't foreshadowed--it's just largely done in a way that is clearly an afterthought, which it is. No amount of foreshadowing removes the fact that Marie is nowhere to be seen during the Izanami encounter outside of the S.Link stuff. It's the separation of the actual encounter and the revelation that makes it so weak. The revelation can be removed from the story and it plays out identically. It doesn't have any actual bearing on the plot, it's just an extra feather in Marie's cap for no real reason that takes away some of the finality of killing the final boss.
A Dead Diehard
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So you're saying it would have been better if
she was there in person
Green Mamba
Member
Well, not that simply, but yes, that would have been better.
A Dead Diehard
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Alright then. Nothing wrong with wanting parts of a game's story to mesh together well.
Yeah, I can definitely admit that P4G does mess up with the game's overall pacing but... I really enjoyed getting to spend more time in the P4 universe. I wasn't fond of the Marie stuff, but those 2 extra weeks were so damn gratifying. Watching your protagonist build a snowman with Nanako, living with Teddie, getting to spend a little extra time with your slink friends, finishing up your models, eating indoors,chilling with your friends during the day, talking to them at night...
All of it was bliss. I respect the people who prefer vanilla P4 (because it definitely has its own merits) but it just isn't the comparable to P4G.
StarSketch
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How I wish I spoke japanese :/
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