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AngryJoe receives a Nintendo copyright claim. Hope they enjoyed the ad revenue; Done

This thread really blew up...

Besides that, let him do what he feels is best for his wellbeing. I really don't care either way since threads like these are always a battle where people take sides heavily.

It's kinda dumb, really.
 

Bgamer90

Banned
3DS, which is also basically an exclusives machine like the Wii U, is at over 50 million.
That's a lot of a system that had such a poor start and and whose price hasn't budged in years.
I don't really think the state of the Wii U is representative of Nintendo's future and the strength of their IPs.

??? It definitely is in the case of the home console market.

I don't see what the 3DS has to do with the Wii U's position and/or people streaming Wii U footage.
 

Vena

Member
Right, it's not just Nintendo's problem that their market up and ditched them, it's happening to everyone else. What's a PS4?

A console with a strong start in a contracted overall hardware market for consoles?

It could well, effectively, end up where the 3DS is with relation to the Vita. In a dominant position ruling over a valley of vultures.
 

mzupeman

Banned
So "Mean Luigi" didn't help Mario Kart 8's mainstream attention? Nothing is better than something? I mean, what Nintendo is doing now is hurting their chances to have more videos/memes similar "Mean Luigi" but who cares right?

"Doing better isn't as good as doing worse if neither position will make the Wii U side by side with Xbox One and PS4!"

I do doubt that Angry Joe videos will help to sell games like Mario Party, as it's extremely well established at this point.
 

Fuchsdh

Member
No, that's standard business across multiple other mediums. Its only a matter of time before this goes to court, and video games follow suit with things that are more than likely not going to end up falling under "Fair Use" in court.

I highly doubt most of these types of videos would. Key considerations in fair use is how much of the content you're using, if you're transforming that content in your work, and if it's for nonprofit purposes. Most let's play videos that are monetized would fail horribly. AngryJoe potentially has a greater claim due to editorializing, but I think it's easy to say that he uses too much copyrighted content in his reviews.

It'd be like movie reviewers taking clips from the entire length of the movie, instead of 2 or 3 minutes of trailers.

I do doubt that Angry Joe videos will help to sell games like Mario Party, as it's extremely well established at this point.

It's sort of a hard argument to have, because the only demonstrable examples we have of where X videos for game Y boosted sales appreciably are generally smaller, indie games. The "exposure" argument matters much less for games that have massive marketing teams behind them.

The "protection racket" comparisons are amusing, because if you flip it on its head, AngryJoe is saying "Nintendo, unless you let me make money with your games, I won't advertise them on my channel." It's not protection, it's licensing.
 
??? It definitely is in the case of the home console market.

I don't see what the 3DS has to do with the Wii U's position and/or people streaming Wii U footage.
That the 3DS has done pretty well for itself all things considered despite not having YouTube to back it up. It's also a response to the "nobody cares about Nintendo games anymore" thing.
 
A console with a strong start in a contracted overall hardware market for consoles?

It could well, effectively, end up where the 3DS is with relation to the Vita. In a dominant position ruling over a valley of vultures.

Isnt the Ps4 currently at 20 million or so? Which, after a year and a half of being out, is leap ahead of the same time frame last gen for the ps3 and 360.

Its disingenious that your saying all consoles are in a shitty position, when its the opposite.
 

Bgamer90

Banned
I do doubt that Angry Joe videos will help to sell games like Mario Party, as it's extremely well established at this point.

Mario Kart is far more established than Mario Party as the former has been around longer.

Mean Luigi helped Wii U sales. I personally know people who bought a Wii U and Mario Kart 8 after seeing the popular video online. As I said before, Nintendo needs all the help they can get as its looking like they'll never have solid third party support again. Nintendo is digging their own hole if they continue on doing this instead of embracing 21st century media trends like Sony and Microsoft.
 

Ploid 3.0

Member
How could people like the games when sales show that many don't have the hardware to play them?

I mean, some are interested in the games but if they aren't buying the hardware then they obviously don't truly "like" them.

I'm pretty sure I would like Bayonetta 2, and Killer Instinct xbox. I don't own the consoles for them but from their past games I kinda know I would like them. No horse in this race, but I found a bit wrong in my case. Since Gran Theft Auto 4 burned me as a GTA fan, I've been careful of every game I buy and I don't recall not liking a game I've researched and purchased. I have disliked games I bought on impulse like Hydrophobia, and GTA4 EFLC (because why not, and people kept saying it's what GTA4 should have been) due to crazy sales.
 

Vena

Member
Isnt the Ps4 currently at 20 million or so? Which, after a year and a half of being out, is leap ahead of the same time frame last gen for the ps3 and 360.

Its disingenious that your saying all consoles are in a shitty position, when its the opposite.

All? Where did I say all? I said the market has contracted, not that they are in a shitty position. The Wii and its audience are gone, the market is going to be smaller than it was last gen, the question is how much smaller. Will it be smaller than even the gen before last?

The 3DS is also in a contracted market, its still doing well and selling hardware/software even after five years. Doesn't mean that the market hasn't contracted. In fact contracting markets tend to lead to convergence.
 
All? Where did I say all? I said the market has contracted, not that they are in a shitty position. The Wii and its audience are gone, the market is going to be smaller than it was last gen, the question is how much smaller. Will it be smaller than even the gen before last?

The 3DS is also in a contracted market, its still doing well and selling hardware/software even after five years. Doesn't mean that the market hasn't contracted. In fact contracting markets tend to lead to convergence.

So you agree that Nintendos market has contracted? Alright then.
 

Vena

Member
So you agree that Nintendos market has contracted? Alright then.

I have not disagreed, I simply expanded that so that all the markets have contracted. Sony's market has taken a sharp dive due to the death of the PSPortable line, the PS4 is going to recapture its console share, though, but to what extent we won't know for a few more years. Nintendo's Wii market evaporated, but their handheld has at least managed to ~survive~ the turbulent mobile apocalypse. And Microsoft seems to have squandered its huge headways from the 360 era.

When you break it all down... the dedicated market as a whole is simply not where it was even just a few years ago.
 

SmokedMeat

Gamer™
A console with a strong start in a contracted overall hardware market for consoles?

It could well, effectively, end up where the 3DS is with relation to the Vita. In a dominant position ruling over a valley of vultures.

Last I heard the Xbox One was tracking above the 360, so there's that to. Just because Nintendo's back to normal after the Wii fad doesn't mean everyone else is in the same boat.

And as for dedicated portable gaming systems, yes they're a dying breed in the face of portable mobile devices.
 

TSM

Member
All? Where did I say all? I said the market has contracted, not that they are in a shitty position. The Wii and its audience are gone, the market is going to be smaller than it was last gen, the question is how much smaller. Will it be smaller than even the gen before last?

The 3DS is also in a contracted market, its still doing well and selling hardware/software even after five years. Doesn't mean that the market hasn't contracted. In fact contracting markets tend to lead to convergence.

This is true, and if you examine the situation it's almost all because Nintendo collapsed gen over gen. In the console space Sony is tracking way ahead gen over gen and Microsft is lagging slightly behind. In the handheld space it's pretty obvious that dedicated hardware is on it's way out and it's been a bloodbath for both Sony and Nintendo gen over gen.
 
I have not disagreed, I simply expanded that so that all the markets have contracted. Sony's market has taken a sharp dive due to the death of the PSPortable line, the PS4 is going to recapture its console share, though, but to what extent we won't know for a few more years. Nintendo's Wii market evaporated, but their handheld has at least managed to ~survive~ the turbulent mobile apocalypse. And Microsoft seems to have squandered its huge headways from the 360 era.

When you break it all down... the dedicated market as a whole is simply not where it was even just a few years ago.

With the Psp honestly im surprised sony bothered to make the Vita. Although there are still successful games on it, silver lining i suppose
 
Pathetic, I hope nintendo dies out soon. This on some next level bullshit. Starting from using the same gaming personas and games to underpowered consoles, it's time for it to be gone. I swear if it wasn't for the nostalgia, it would be already long gone.

Although DashieGames plays mario kart every week and I haven't seen him taking down any videos. That's odd.
 

Vena

Member
This is true, and if you examine the situation it's almost all because Nintendo collapsed gen over gen. In the console space Sony is tracking way ahead gen over gen and Microsft is lagging slightly behind. In the handheld space it's pretty obvious that dedicated hardware is on it's way out and it's been a bloodbath for both Sony and Nintendo gen over gen.

Its not hard to track ahead of the PS3 given the fact that it was a total clusterfuck coming out of the gate.

We won't know what the console market will look like for a few years more.

With the Psp honestly im surprised sony bothered to make the Vita. Although there are still successful games on it, silver lining i suppose

PSP did fine, though. The total collapse of the Vita was not expected.
 

BY2K

Membero Americo
Did anyone go directly to Nintendo with this? Did anyone ask questions? Shared their comment to them? I'm not sure yelling in a Youtube video for 10 minutes is gonna reach them.
 

Kariodude

Banned
YouTube has their own rules that they go by. Everyone knows this. Nintendo has their own system in place for YouTube videos of their games. Most creators know this. Angry Joe absolutely would know about the system Nintendo had in place. Instead, he decided to just put the video up anyway without going through the proper channels. His video gets flagged for copyright because he BROKE THE RULES and then he posted a video complaining about it. You can disagree with the rules and how copyright works on YouTube all you want, but don't complain when things are done by the book and you get screwed over because you chose to ignore the rules.
 

Palculator

Unconfirmed Member
With the Psp honestly im surprised sony bothered to make the Vita. Although there are still successful games on it, silver lining i suppose

I unfortunately don't have a source for this (although I'd like to have one if anybody does) but what I've been hearing is that the Vita has a crazy high attach rate that, at least a little bit, makes up for the lack of hardware sales. Like, the average Vita owner buys more games on the system than people do on other consoles.

Might be talking out of my ass, though. Like I said, it's just something I've seen people claim.
 

Christine

Member
So the hours he puts into producing and editing his content don't count?

They count inasmuch that Angry Joe has the right to prevent distribution of works that derive substantially from his content. That's the whole paradigm of copyright, the most badly named legal concept I know. No-one gets specific rights to copy or publish, instead these laws outline a set of exclusionary rights that interdict the publishing and copying activities of other parties.

I'm not saying that this is right or good, but something you need to know if you're unhappy with the way things work. You need to know whether you want tweaks to the current system or more radical change, but you have to understand what the system is before you can do that.
 
It's funny that the market and demo that is most likely to use youtube for its buying interests (younger gamers) would be one that Id think Nintendo would want to get to the most. But hey nintendo is doing oh so well as their market share is dwindling in amazing fashion. So of course they know what's best.
 

Jigorath

Banned
Did anyone go directly to Nintendo with this? Did anyone ask questions? Shared their comment to them? I'm not sure yelling in a Youtube video for 10 minutes is gonna reach them.

Unfortunately I don't know anyone who has Iwata on speed dial.
 

Gamezone

Gold Member
What I think is most odd about this subject is that it has never been any secret that Nintendo claims every video using their content on Youtube. This is well known. I`m not saying that they are doing the right thing, but why the hell is Joe acting surprised? Did he expect special treatment because he have many subscribers? Or maybe he knew that his angry rant would attract way more attention than the video that was taken down to begin with.
 

rpmurphy

Member
I unfortunately don't have a source for this (although I'd like to have one if anybody does) but what I've been hearing is that the Vita has a crazy high attach rate that, at least a little bit, makes up for the lack of hardware sales. Like, the average Vita owner buys more games on the system than people do on other consoles.

Might be talking out of my ass, though. Like I said, it's just something I've seen people claim.
I don't know how you can do an apples-to-apples comparison when PS+ exists.
 

antonz

Member
Nintendo has a section of their support website for legal stuff like this. Don't give me that crap.

Why would you want to do that when You can complain for views and clicks.

People acting like this isn't done with an agenda are silly as shit
 
Why would you want to do that when You can complain for views and clicks.

People acting like this isn't done with an agenda are silly as shit

Sad but true. You want to give people the benefit of the doubt but sometimes it is what it is. The same fans that supported him to buy a wii u are now being manipulated further to increase his own revenue.
 

system11

Member
I think if I was Nintendo, I'd want to drop this silly revenue sharing idea from Youtube and accept that it's worth the exposure of their games. Create a bit of goodwill, look like a good guy in the market.

Or maybe they just did it because they wanted to watch Angry Joe predictably throw a tantrum about it. Perhaps even bets taken in the office.
 

Red Devil

Member
In keeping with motifs of this thread:

If I have a wound I prefer to bleed less, rather than more...

The Wii U is terminally ill...

He was starting to provide it and precisely AJ fans is the public Nintendo wants to reach. The people that watch GX are the people that already buys Nintendo games, Nintendo needs to reach the non-fanbase market to get more sales, because is basically the fanbase who are buying the console right now.

So you, as a company, want top reach any potential consumer and AJ aundience are potential consumers and precisely the type Nintendo is more interested in reaching.

Honestly AJ's audience who cared about him playing Wii U games likely owns one already, the rest would probably not give a damn about it, just like PewDiePie subscribers didn't ran in droves to buy Sunset Overdrive...

Last gen AngryJoe only made Xbox and PC videos. This gen he branched out, nintendo resisted, Sony didn't.

That's what he wanted to do, just like now he didn't care about Nintendo games, just because he was given the money to buy the console.

I think Totalbiscuit is under Polaris as well, and hes been vocal about Nintendos program. So its definitely something to think about..and yea GameGrumps only covers old stuff, the newest things they cover are either steam games or PT. in fact im pretty sure they hosted their MonHun4 LP outside of YT.

GameGrumps played Super Mario 3D World somewhat recently, if I recall correctly.
 

Jigorath

Banned
Nintendo has a section of their support website for legal stuff like this. Don't give me that crap.

Yeah that's gonna do anything. Joe's video has already reached 200,000 people. Raising awareness for this issue is a lot more useful than sending Nintendo a private email that they'll likely ignore.
 

antonz

Member
Yeah that's gonna do anything. Joe's video has already reached 200,000 people. Raising awareness for this issue is a lot more useful than sending Nintendo a private email that they'll likely ignore.

Actually it doesn't the only thing it actually does is get him views and clicks which is exactly what he wants as that's how he makes his money.

He doesn't make money talking to Nintendos legal department.
 
I have not disagreed, I simply expanded that so that all the markets have contracted. Sony's market has taken a sharp dive due to the death of the PSPortable line, the PS4 is going to recapture its console share, though, but to what extent we won't know for a few more years. Nintendo's Wii market evaporated, but their handheld has at least managed to ~survive~ the turbulent mobile apocalypse. And Microsoft seems to have squandered its huge headways from the 360 era.

When you break it all down... the dedicated market as a whole is simply not where it was even just a few years ago.

Sony and Microsoft's consoles are both outperforming their predecessors. The only console underperforming is the Wii U. And the Wii sold a shitload of units, so yes, overall the numbers are down. You could call that a general contraction of the console market, or you could call that the market self-correcting after the aberrant fad that was the Wii.
 
Did anyone go directly to Nintendo with this? Did anyone ask questions? Shared their comment to them? I'm not sure yelling in a Youtube video for 10 minutes is gonna reach them.

The public stance of a lot of youtubers have been clear from day one and all these complaints wasn't enough for Nintendo to change their stance on the issue.

When PewDiePie complaints were known and reached the mass media and Nintendo did nothin, I'm not sure what's gonna change by contacting Nintendo directly.
 

Chindogg

Member
Yeah that's gonna do anything. Joe's video has already reached 200,000 people. Raising awareness for this issue is a lot more useful than sending Nintendo a private email that they'll likely ignore.

Raising awareness for an automatic Youtube ContentID flag that Joe already knew would happen after he was flagged for Mario Kart 8, yet posted anyways conveniently alongside his rant on how this system sucks?

I mean, it's not like he's going to get a ton of clicks out of this or anything at all...
 

BY2K

Membero Americo
Yeah that's gonna do anything. Joe's video has already reached 200,000 people. Raising awareness for this issue is a lot more useful than sending Nintendo a private email that they'll likely ignore.

Why not do both? I'm sure he has time for that. I'm sure a lot of people have time for that. I'm sure Nintendo would be more inclined to listen to a well written email than a video of a guy yelling at them for 10 minutes, calling them dicks and assholes and what not.
 
Why not do both? I'm sure he has time for that. I'm sure a lot of people have time for that. I'm sure Nintendo would be more inclined to listen to a well written email than a video of a guy yelling at them for 10 minutes, calling them dicks and assholes and what not.

Why are you operating under the assumption that nobody has done that?
 
All? Where did I say all? I said the market has contracted, not that they are in a shitty position. The Wii and its audience are gone, the market is going to be smaller than it was last gen, the question is how much smaller. Will it be smaller than even the gen before last?

The 3DS is also in a contracted market, its still doing well and selling hardware/software even after five years. Doesn't mean that the market hasn't contracted. In fact contracting markets tend to lead to convergence.

The difference is that even with contraction home console market will be pretty big this gen and PS4 might even sell more than the leader of last gen (Wii). Handheld market just collapsed this gen and 3DS will have hard time to match the losing console of last gen (PSP).
 

Mory Dunz

Member
Pathetic, I hope nintendo dies out soon. This on some next level bullshit. Starting from using the same gaming personas and games to underpowered consoles, it's time for it to be gone. I swear if it wasn't for the nostalgia, it would be already long gone.

Although DashieGames plays mario kart every week and I haven't seen him taking down any videos. That's odd.

huehue
 

Jigorath

Banned
Actually it doesn't the only thing it actually does is get him views and clicks which is exactly what he wants as that's how he makes his money.

He doesn't make money talking to Nintendos legal department.

Just because he makes money off the video doesn't mean he doesn't have a valid point to make. Why are you guys so hung up on him making money? You know this is his job right?

Hey remember that whole #PS4noDRM thing from 2013? Would it have been better if we just sent a couple of emails to Sony instead of making a fuss on the internet?
 
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