Breakfast at Noon
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Bought the special edition for £140.
No regrets.
No regrets.
Actually I don´t even know why Bungie needs "an excuse" honestly.
And normally the PR and whats shown of the game is dynamic to reflect that, with developers being honest and upfront if there were huge changes.
Destiny had its story gutted and areas carved out for later DLC, and Bungie kept shtum until post-launch, the same huge story and huge content promises.
I think Rockstar are about the only other devs that pull the same secrecy level approach to PR, but they've not disappointed to the degree Bungie has now multiple times.
Defend away, but what happened with Destiny is one of the worst instances of a big AAA bait and switch in the industry and thats why the burning embers of those soured by this shitfest still glow bright.
The thread is really over with this post, but hey, let's pile on and try to incinerate this game that plenty of people actually love to play.It is not that surprising. Unfinished content gets left on the cutting floor sometimes, but they can always go back and finish it for DLC, patches or a sequel.
I've never worked for a developer. I've talked with them. I've read diaries, blogs, and interviews. I'm not going to speak authoritatively on internal goings-on or publisher relations (until I actually do work for a developer AND have privilege to do so AND have first-hand information). The problem with game forums is that there is never a shortage of immature people who have no such qualms. NeoGAF is better than most, but still bad enough to sour actual developers from staying and having fruitful discussions with worthwhile insight.I never liked these kind of responses but-
ITT People don't know how game development works.
"Huge Changes" in this case being that they briefly showed a hub area during the initial reveal that didn´t make it into the game at launch?
I get it.
There should probably be a sticker on the retail box.
"Does not feature a hub area that you may or may not have seen at E3 three years ago".
This isn't just about the hub area, this is about everything that failed to materialise in the final Destiny that had been hyped all the way along. The story, the scope of missions, random events, so on and so forth.
You can spin away until the cows come home, but there was a huge Destiny backlash for a reason and it wasn't "huh, guess GAF doesnt understand gamedev". Its because they fucked up, bigtime. Financials don't reflect that, but 'the waters' bubbling heat reaction to how Bungie is viewed have changed dramatically.
"Huge Changes" in this case being that they briefly showed a hub area during the initial reveal that didn´t make it into the game at launch?
I get it.
There should probably be a sticker on the retail box.
"Does not feature a hub area that you may or may not have seen at E3 three years ago".
This isn't just about the hub area, this is about everything that failed to materialise in the final Destiny that had been hyped all the way along. The story, the scope of missions, random events, so on and so forth.
You can spin away until the cows come home, but there was a huge Destiny backlash for a reason and it wasn't "huh, guess GAF doesnt understand gamedev". Its because they fucked up, bigtime. Financials don't reflect that, but 'the waters' bubbling heat reaction to how Bungie is viewed have changed dramatically.
Millions upon millions of sales. Billions of hours played. 20 OTs in 8 months. The only thing they really fucked up on was the story, and reviewers docked them handsomely. Many parts of the game are stellar and unique.This isn't just about the hub area, this is about everything that failed to materialise in the final Destiny that had been hyped all the way along. The story, the scope of missions, random events, so on and so forth.
You can spin away until the cows come home, but there was a huge Destiny backlash for a reason and it wasn't "huh, guess GAF doesnt understand gamedev". Its because they fucked up, bigtime. Financials don't reflect that, but 'the waters' bubbling heat reaction to how Bungie is viewed have changed dramatically.
We know the story went through substantial revision and, in my opinion, fell far short of Bungie's legacy.So there were "huge changes" to the story, the missions and the random events?
What were those changes exactly?
It's not a matter of opinion; we know what sections were included on disc, and when certain areas were shown publicly. We know that we've downloaded more than 33% additional data since launch for these expansions. Maybe it's just junk filler data to cover up the conspiracy!Unless you're a spokesman/dev for Bungie, you can't confirm that at all. But that's besides the point, because Bungie would undoubtedly say so - common sense.
But we're into plausible deniability territory which is a very usual fallback.
There is no point in debating this - everyone in here more or less has made up their minds already about the issue, whether to believe the content (both the Dark Below and House of Wolves) are on-disc dlc or your opinion, uncooked content that was/is to be released as proper dlc - aka Bungie's line.
Fact is, with all the leaks the game has had about on-disc dlc from exploited bugs etc.... the case for on-disc dlc is far more plausible than believing Bungie and Activision are angels of misfortune from gamers who have grown too distrustful of the industry's biggest exploiters of DLC.
Yeah but they make games so you can't criticise them and have to take it or leave it.
Fact: this is such an outrageously bullshit product that is guilty of just about everything heinous in the modern gaming sphere, so much so that I actively delete anyone on my friends list with the poor taste to partake in a fuckin cash-grab grind-fest
On point: news does not shock me - beta had more inaccessible content on file than finished game ever delivered.
Why would they need to when you're here to tell us all about it.There should probably be a sticker on the retail box.
"Does not feature a hub area that you may or may not have seen at E3 three years ago".
Millions upon millions of sales. Billions of hours played. 20 OTs in 8 months. The only thing they really fucked up on was the story, and reviewers docked them handsomely. Many parts of the game are stellar and unique.
We know the story went through substantial revision and, in my opinion, fell far short of Bungie's legacy.
So there were "huge changes" to the story, the missions and the random events?
What were those changes exactly?
So there were "huge changes" to the story, the missions and the random events?
What were those changes exactly?
If you're going to honestly try and take the tact that things didn't go dramatically south in relation to the story and other elements of the game, then you're into mental gymnastic territory out of planetary gravity levels.
This isn't just about the hub area, this is about everything that failed to materialise in the final Destiny that had been hyped all the way along. The story, the scope of missions, random events, so on and so forth.
You can spin away until the cows come home, but there was a huge Destiny backlash for a reason and it wasn't "huh, guess GAF doesnt understand gamedev". Its because they fucked up, bigtime. Financials don't reflect that, but 'the waters' bubbling heat reaction to how Bungie is viewed have changed dramatically.
Well no surprise. Destiny exists on my shelf solely to remind me not to fall into such a scam again.
Why would they need to when you're here to tell us all about it.
Topic: This game was disappointing, I don't think I've ever regretted a purchase as much. From the lack of content to the (lack of) matchmaking etc.
I cannot believe people are defending this after all the missteps by Bungie on this. Seriously, it makes me worried about the state of the industry and how people are so quick to not only ratify these shitty practices but prop up such poorly constructed defences for them.
I'm still waiting for this area
The topic was about content being cut, my post is about the lack of content.Except that is not the topic. The topic was how a playable area was supposedly stripped out of an unfinished game. But if this thread is just a vessel for people to hate on destiny then yeah I would agree that is the topic.
Also raid matchmaking is a terrible idea.
It would behoove you to address said poorly constructed defenses instead of posting into the ether.
The topic was about content being cut, my post is about the lack of content.
It's not a matter of opinion
If the content isn't complete, it gets cut. Do you feel cheated they didn't let you walk around an empty room?The topic was about content being cut, my post is about the lack of content.
You're saying that specific facts we know are opinions. Get your shit sorted.Ohh but it's. You saying so doesn't change it.
It would behoove you to address said poorly constructed defenses instead of posting into the ether.
Never buying a Bungie game at launch ever again. Rental to make sure they're not lying their fucking teeth out, and then budget purchase at price crash.
I thought Halo 2 was going to be the lowest they ever sank, but Destiny was some next level bait and switch shit. Everybody there should be thoroughly fucking ashamed.
I have in my post before the one you quoted.
In fact, the same chap that is defending this, GlamFM is the same one who propped up a defence for the lack of raids and supported the notion that there game doesn't funnel you through tunnels and used these pictures as evidence:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=160217944&postcount=1115
First pic is made for ants, the second pic is the open world element where you do all the non-quests so that makes sense, third pic is of the scenery off the bloody map and fourth pic...well I don't even know why he showed that lol.
I have in my post before the one you quoted.
In fact, the same chap that is defending this, GlamFM is the same one who propped up a defence for the lack of raids and supported the notion that there game doesn't funnel you through tunnels and used these pictures as evidence:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=160217944&postcount=1115
First pic is made for ants, the second pic is the open world element where you do all the non-quests so that makes sense, third pic is of the scenery off the bloody map and fourth pic...well I don't even know why he showed that lol.
Yup game development is dynamic so accept a lackluster story and an entire friggin game hub shown off 2 YEARS AGO. Right...its dynamic.
Hey EA! You hear that, game development is dynamic is a thing now so plaster that as your default statement as you purposely hold back content to monetise on later on after you've released a shell of a game whilst simultaneously benefiting from all the hype generated from the GAME FOOTAGE you shown off at your reveal.
Nice call out.
Here is what MOD GhaleonEB had to say on that matter.
Should I PM him BTW? Might be an idea since you are starting to attack people personally.
If the content isn't complete, it gets cut. Do you feel cheated they didn't let you walk around an empty room?
The Aperture Science Excursion Funnel even had its own small commercial, but never made it into Portal 2.
This is a personal attack? How? Because I referenced the points you made about THIS VERY game? Don't throw your toys out of the pram like a child.
Another story one cut, though this may show up in house of wolves
Well no surprise. Destiny exists on my shelf solely to remind me not to fall into such a scam again.
At least you can sell it/trade it in, I made the mistake of buying it digitally.
Except it is in Portal 2.
This isn't just about the hub area, this is about everything that failed to materialise in the final Destiny that had been hyped all the way along. The story, the scope of missions, random events, so on and so forth.
You can spin away until the cows come home, but there was a huge Destiny backlash for a reason and it wasn't "huh, guess GAF doesnt understand gamedev". Its because they fucked up, bigtime. Financials don't reflect that, but 'the waters' bubbling heat reaction to how Bungie is viewed have changed dramatically.
"I never personally attacked anyone"....calls them a child.
Well that's all folks. Got to go to class.
You're saying that specific facts we know are opinions. Get your shit sorted.
OK I was disappointed in Destiny too but the constant hate and shit posting in destiny threads is becoming too much.
Not sure why people are upset. You got a game at release and you know what is in there. You paid 60$ for that..