I feel like I hear this every year
Came to post this.
We're still going to get movies about the same characters every year.
I feel like I hear this every year
Thank god. I was going through withdrawls.
I gave up on trying to catch up on everything that's happened to be ready for this event. The titles are all such a clusterfuck of confusion that go back so far. I got a subscription to Marvel Unlimited, but even that's hard to keep track of what to read next between all the rebooted titles and that app's general lack of organization.
Finally we can end this sexual tension between Wolverine and Cyclops and have them kiss.
Finally we can end this sexual tension between Wolverine and Cyclops and have them kiss.
Especially now that comics are hot as shit.Comics are daunting to get into, with decades of backstory for each character. To expand the readership, they blow up the continuity every so often.
Of course, sales fall back to where they were previously, and they retcon everything that they changed about a character, adding more complexity to the original continuity.
...the comics cycle
The basic issue is their leaking readers. You can go into other specific issues, like Marvel Studios vs Fox for X-Men rights, but the one that persists is a loss of readers.
With Miles Morales being front and center in the aftermath of Secret Wars, you might end up caring...As long as Spider-Man will still be Peter Parker, I don't really care.
Well isn't that the point of reboots?Why can't things just be simple for once? Why all these re-boots and whatnots?
Everything I know about the Marvel universe changes every couple of years when they reboot everything, including their last reboot.
This is why I rarely even try to follow the storylines long term - every character has a very defined beginning of their story but almost none of them have an end. Once the writing gets too convoluted, they just reboot and do the beginning part again.
Everything I know about the Marvel universe changes every couple of years when they reboot everything, including their last reboot.
With Miles Morales being front and center in the aftermath of Secret Wars, you might end up caring...
This does happen even within Marvel and DC. Superior Foes of Spider-Man only had 15 issues (+2 filler issues that could be skipped) and it was completely self-contained and could be enjoyed without any exposure to other Marvel titles. It has a clear beginning, middle, and end and does not tie into any other books or events. Same goes for Hawkeye. They aren't as common as something like Amazing Spider-Man, which will go on forever, but it does happen.Sometimes I wish these comic authors would try their hand at writing a manga style story with a beginning, middle and end. I know that Neil Gaiman has done multiple standalone graphic novels
I think you may want to sit down...
Wasn't Heroes Reborn a reboot before Marvel realized they fucked up?
pete still exists past secret wars. this we know, so he has nothing to worry about
The Xmen being separated would be great, really great, too good to be true.
That's probably the closest they got to. I'm not certain it was meant to stay though, even at the time it seemed unclear to me.Wasn't Heroes Reborn a reboot before Marvel realized they fucked up?
We don't actually know that... Unless I missed an interview somewhere. But I think we can rest assure that's the case. Whether he's Spider-Man or not, that's the question.
Wasn't Heroes Reborn a reboot before Marvel realized they fucked up?
Wasn't Heroes Reborn a reboot before Marvel realized they fucked up?
it's an entirely new story and an entirely different story, set up by completely different inciting events. And what it does to the Marvel universe is take the various universes and smash them together, making a new world. A new world that's divided into new regions that's governed in a very new way. And the first question is: what characters and what portions of the Marvel universe, and the Ultimate universe, as an example, survived and made it to this world. So what you have is a new world, a new Marvel universe that's comprised of these new and frequently dangerous regions populated by those characters we cherry picked to be survivors on the world. [Its] about the dynamic on that world.
There is only one reality, and it is Battleworld. That is the only reality.
The next category is the "Battleworld" titles, and they're titles that are about the [newly created] world, but they're more closely associated with the core series, Secret Wars. They're about the world as a whole. So they cover an aspect of that world, whether it's the way that world is policed, or governed. A border dispute between two zones, like Age of Ultron versus Marvel Zombies would be an example of that.
That's not even true. Printed comic sales are the highest they've been in years, and thus far this year the industry is experiencing 10% more sales YOY. And that's not including digital sales which is increasingly popular with younger demographics.
This is more of an attempt to get rid of some deadweight in continuity and reinvigorate the line like DC did with New 52, without killing off some of their existing golden gooses by changing things too much.
Marvel Now wasn't a reboot. It just served as a brand new starting point to introduce new readers to their franchises. You could pick up pretty much anything at issue number 1 and enjoy. They seem to be straying away from large issue numbers as a whole and moving more towards relaunches once a big change happens or something. The current Daredevil volume, for example, is a direct continuation of the last one but I'm sure you could pick it up at issue #1 without any confusion. Same with Thor, Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man, etc.
Marvel has yet to do a company-wide reboot.
Sometimes I wish these comic authors would try their hand at writing a manga style story with a beginning, middle and end. I know that Neil Gaiman has done multiple standalone graphic novels
I was mostly referring to individual series sales. Sales only ever go down over time with few rare exceptions.
In this case, I think you're right and it's to cut out underperforming or otherwise ununsable properties more than anything else, but sales are always a persistent issue.
To me, reboot and rebrand are part of the same strategy, so I just kind of consider them the same thing. But yeah, it's not really a reboot in the sense of retconning and removing backstory, though some series started off at a new status quo (Superior Spider-Man, Avengers, New Avengers).
It's not considering 616 might not exist anymore.Can we stop pretending that Miles and Evil Reed coming to 616 is a) a surprise and b) a big deal?
You're thinking of DC... Marvel hasn't done any mass line-wide changes to status quo, ever. Even when they do "reboots" its localized, like with Spider-Man in One More Day.
That's like the same thing though.
Besides, it doesn't change the fact that there's no coherent beginning middle and end of the story for practically any well-known Marvel character. They're all invincible and nothing really sticks in the long term.
But honestly, I suspect this is in response to the popularity of the Marvel film and TV brand. Those formats are clean slates, starting with a fresh version of the Marvel canon and simplifying it a bit to make it digestible. But the comics are still a mess with so much cruft left over from the 90s and endless mini-crisis crossover events. That remix and rebrand characters arbitrarily for marketing purposes.
Oh my... another big event in the comic book universe, I haven't seen one of those in months.
it definitely wasn't. the Marvel Now titles were direct continuations of stories, characters, and continuity that came previously. the only change was a #1 on the cover and a red logo. Literally nothing else changed.
a reboot (as DC did with Crisis and New 52, or say the spider man movies after 3) completely disregards established history, characters, and storylines and starts from scratch. Marvel has NEVER done this, and it certainly wasn't what they did with Marvel Now. What Marvel DID do was begin telling stories in shorter arcs that were designed to end in 20 or 30 issues that were more approachable for new readers. Instead of picking up Amazing Spider Man #701-733 to find out about the SpOck business, Readers only needed to grab "superior spider man 1-30something".
They really don't want to say it's a reboot to avoid comparing themselves to DC, or betraying what they always said about Marvel being a single contiguous universe.
But honestly, I suspect this is in response to the popularity of the Marvel film and TV brand. Those formats are clean slates, starting with a fresh version of the Marvel canon and simplifying it a bit to make it digestible. But the comics are still a mess with so much cruft left over from the 90s and endless mini-crisis crossover events. That remix and rebrand characters arbitrarily for marketing purposes.
I read watchmen. I'm a comic expert.it's like an Aaron-Lagann post.
I'm not sure why you highlighted that because it's not really disputing anything you're saying.
I'm not saying they're the same thing. I'm saying I consider them to have similar motivations behind them and I rarely make a distinction, though that's just me being facetious.
So basically this is something that happens... very often?
Because for how the article puts it, it really does sound like something major, the kind of huge project that doesn't exactly happen every day.
I am uninformed, so I am genuinely asking.
You almost had me there.
Yeah, it's major, like every large event is. Marvel are into status quo changes, but not reboots. Every few years, they proclaim a new jumping point, start new stories in a new paradigm, get all the toys out of the chest, tell whatever they want to tell and move on to the next cycle.So basically this is something that happens... very often?
Because for how the article puts it, it really does sound like something major, the kind of huge project that doesn't exactly happen every day.
I am uninformed, so I am genuinely asking.
You caught me. Though my point stands and Non-Shonen stuff is fairly short. Exceptions do exist like Berserk
Shit, even Berserk is building towards something. I don't care how long a story is a long as I know that it will end with some sort of resolution. What's the point of reading X-men or Spiderman when you know it will never end? There's no continuity, it just feels so pointless.
Yeah, it's major, like every large event is. Marvel are into status quo changes, but not reboots. Every few years, they proclaim a new jumping point, start new stories in a new paradigm, get all the toys out of the chest, tell whatever they want to tell and move on to the next cycle.
Meanwhile, everything that has happened before remains, it's not unwritten and that's that.
I'm pretty sure if you look for articles about Civil War, Dark Reign, Heroic Age, Fear Itself, Marvel Now or Original Sin, you'll find the same kind of terms used.
It's the comics equivalent of Activision saying this year's CoD will change online FPSes forever. Of course it will.
The cosmic tier of gods and abstracts? over with.
If there's one thing you can't say about cape books...