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Avengers: Age of Ultron Scores 2nd Highest-Opening - The Age of Marvel is Done
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mugurumakensei
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well thats that. pacquiao and mayweather is apparently all thats needed to end the age of ultron. perhaps, they'll be added as Avengers in the director's cut.
Matt_
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Cinemascore isnt that reliable for legs and anyway a1 scored an A+ whilst A2 scored an A
And at the moment they are the same on IMDB but these films always go down after the opening weekend
Takamura-San
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So you suggest they cram a season worth of material on a 2hr film?
It's a better film, but a worse event.
Pai Pai Master
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Its just as good as the first one if not better. Good opening numbers though.
RadioHammer500
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well one thing is they need to stop having one-liners in every scene..it just ruins tension when the avengers are fighting a genocidal robot to be cracking one liners the whole time
most of the time being hit and miss jokes..
Baron von Loathsome
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Pretty much.
Safe to say that it's not an event at all.
Messypandas
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RadioHammer500
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i don't think that is what he said
No but when they make an avengers movie focus on the avengers only instead of adding a myriad of other characters like quick silver, scarlet witch, vision, etc etc. in an already crowded movie and then give lazy back stories for them. Quick silver was an absolute joke of a character and the forced philosophical discussions between vision and Ultron was embarrassingly childish and nowhere close to being as thought provoking as the film makers probably intended. Its almost like the movie was made with a quota of how much time each character should be given instead of focusing on making the character good.
Some are serious and masking their blatant bias in snark.
It's usually way more obvious on the gaming side.
Pop
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This was being passed around. Shows the affect of the fight at one theater chain apparently.
Well looky here
Theres some truth to this. Almost everyone guessed +200 million domestic opening in the prediction thread. I was like the 3rd lowest guess with 197.
These movies need some decent villains and some stakes. They're so rote and sterile otherwise that the only charm from these movies comes from the witty banter amongst the heroes, and no place else. The CGI setpieces are flashy but forgettable, and sometimes just poorly explained.
It gets boring seeing the same thing in the same tone over and over again.
It gets boring seeing the same thing in the same tone over and over again.
The real test will be how it does next weekend. Remember the first Avengers had a +50% drop in its second weekend and still pulled in over 100MM, the biggest second weekend ever. If indeed the fight had as big of an impact as they are saying, the second weekend should hold better to bring in the audience it lost.
Of course, word of mouth isn't as good as the Cimemascore seems to indicate, but there really isn't any competition until Mad Max on the 15th. A 75-80MM second weekend seems likely.
The first Avengers didn't see any serious competition until well into June. This year things are stacked. Mad Max, Poltergeist, Tomorrowland (which will tank), San Andreas, Entourage, Insidious 3, Spy, and Jurassic Park. That's just through June 12.
The other test will be how Ant Man does. People thought GOTG was going to be a stretch and it surprisingly held, better than the core MCU films. But if Ant Man does what I think it will, sub-200MM, a lot of Marvel and DC execs will be pretty nervous about Civil War, BvsS and if the bubble done break.
Of course, word of mouth isn't as good as the Cimemascore seems to indicate, but there really isn't any competition until Mad Max on the 15th. A 75-80MM second weekend seems likely.
The first Avengers didn't see any serious competition until well into June. This year things are stacked. Mad Max, Poltergeist, Tomorrowland (which will tank), San Andreas, Entourage, Insidious 3, Spy, and Jurassic Park. That's just through June 12.
The other test will be how Ant Man does. People thought GOTG was going to be a stretch and it surprisingly held, better than the core MCU films. But if Ant Man does what I think it will, sub-200MM, a lot of Marvel and DC execs will be pretty nervous about Civil War, BvsS and if the bubble done break.
I don't disagree. That's whedon's thing, though. If he directs another MCU film it will have quotable one-liners.
You do know they also have to set up new characters to take over existing roles at some point? The first Avengers didn't have that dilemma. The second one did...and movies going forward will also. The movies will introduce some new characters that maybe don't get that much screen time or backstory in their first movie only for it to be fleshed out in later movies.
You have to realize...the reason you know someone like Widow so well is because she's been in so many movies...but starting out you didn't know everything there was to know about her.
But Scarlet Witch/Vision/etc ARE Avengers. You want them to just focus on the original six Avengers and no one else forever?
Yeah that is exactly what I said. There are better ways to handle the transition then to throw everyone in one movie with half baked character backgrounds and make it a mess. If that is the only way to handle this transition then it still deserves to be criticized for it.
Quicksilver is probably not joining the next one. His inclusion did no service to the movie apart from making a great character half baked.
The sooner Marvel realizes that people are starting to feel this way the better. I hope the Russo brothers do well.
I'm a huge MCU fan and I agree with this percentage.
It was okay...not great.
No doubt "The Fight" affected ticket sales.
Obviously the movie made (and will make) a ton of money but I can say that I'm way less hyped for this one that I was for the first. I think I'm going to see it next week but honestly, I don't really feel like it. And I've watched all of the Marvel movies.
Rewetting the first Avengers the other day and realising how cheap and corny it looks didn't help at all but I think I'm just tired of Marvel's style of doing things these days. I'm just not feeling it I guess.
Rewetting the first Avengers the other day and realising how cheap and corny it looks didn't help at all but I think I'm just tired of Marvel's style of doing things these days. I'm just not feeling it I guess.
alexandros
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Do you guys think the Phase 3 reveal hurt the film? Personally, it did deflate my hype. AoU went from the culmination of a mostly excellent Phase 2 to kind of a stopgap until the Civil War, Dr Strange, Black Panther, Captain Marvel and Infinity War awesomeness begins.
I don't think so.
The casual fan probably doesn't even know those movies were announced.
Master Yoshi
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Disney to cancel all future Marvel films, replace with Star Wars spin offs.
George Oscar Bluth II
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The humour in Cap TWS is my favourite in any Marvel film.
I think you need to reconsider that one.
mugurumakensei
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pretty sure the biggest killer, at least in terms of sub-200 mil opening, was the fight.
Yeah, because they can timetravel now, no?
BadMediaKarma
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The fact that sony will reboot spider man and make marvel gross high numbers again. They won
EmptySpace
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for me it was "what??" when i heard they weren't going with thanos inspite of the fact that they've been teasing him in a lot of movies. ultron announcement came out of left field for me. then i thought it was going to be a cash grab.
i have yet to watch avengers 2, though.
How is word of mouth worse then what Cinemascore indicates? Cinemascore score is word of mouth. More than GAF impressions or reviews tend to be a true indication of WOM.
Ant-Man is more in the vein of GotG, something different. That's why everyone has been down on AoU even before it came out because it's more of the same and everyone is already looking ahead to all the fresh new ideas and franchises like Ant-Man, Strange, Black Panther, Civil War, etc. Or even the excitement of seeing Spider-Man join the MCU. There are way to many curveballs, without Marvel putting all their eggs in an Avenger basket, for anyone to take seriously that under performing the Avengers opening weekend by a couple tens of millions is even a hint at a Marvel decline, let alone full on "superhero crash".
Lol talk about the naysayers being quick to jump on the doom and gloom. Come back in a couple months, then we can talk.
This was being passed around. Shows the affect of the fight at one theater chain apparently.
How do they have Sunday evening numbers already? Is it presales?
crimzonflame
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I didnt go cause I thought shows would be packed
I can't help but feel like the % drop on rotten tomatoes is purely a case of super hero fatigue. Age of Ultron is the 11th marvel cinematic universe film.
The previous superhero film was Guardians of the Galaxy - a team based movie with a fresh cast of characters that felt quite a bit different from "just another superhero film" - it was well received by critics and fans alike thanks to a good script, and exciting new worlds being showcased on screen.
Age of Ultron , by comparison is merely the sequel to Avengers. It IS emphatically a better film than the first - the humor aims higher, the characters all feel more important and even the villain gets more developed. The new characters also manage to get just enough screen time to feel good enough BUT none of that really matters that much because AOU is still "just another superhero film". It doesn't do enough new things to feel fresh or different and thus - many fans and film critics are penalizing it for being more of the same (even if it's better executed).
That level of genre fatigue will only get worse with each new installment that fails to feel fresh. Last year it could even be argued that Cap2 won over many because only the last act of the film felt like a superhero flick. The first hour and 40 minutes was pretty much a James bond film.
Getting around to the box office numbers though- the north american movie going audience is on an everlasting steady decline. Individual ticket prices are slowly but surely increasing and the total amount of people watching ALL movies is always dropping. In 2014 , not a single movie broke 500 million domestic. I think there's a very good chance that there won't EVER be a movie breaking that value again. Tons of movies come out on bluray/dvd/digital under 4 months from theatrical debut now and with a 15-20$ ticket cost , it's cheaper for a family to go buy the movie after a short wait for 15-20$ so their entire family can watch it rather then spending 60-80$ for 4 tickets. AND if you wait a little longer still you can buy these films for even less before eventually getting them included in a netflix subscription.
Being serious though, I don't think anyone in this thread is honestly suggesting this genre is dead because AOU "only" pulled in 187 million domestic in 3 days. This film in particular and the box office on the whole looks to have suffered a little bit from so many people buying and watching that boxing match. The actual test here will be - how much of this audience sticks around next weekend ?
If I were Disney , I'd be estimating a 30% drop domestically versus the first avengers film. So AOU will end up around 400-450 million $ but internationally I'd expect 1.2-1.4 billion. The final tally will then be about the same, perhaps slightly higher than the first film.
Ant-Man will open to 50 or 60 million domestic and maybe 100 million internationally and go on to pull in maybe 500 million worldwide best case scenario.
Captain America Civil War will open at 80 or 90 million domestic and 250 million internationally and go on to pull in about a billion worldwide.
Doctor Strange will open at 40 to 50 million domestic and maybe 100 million internationally , worldwide 500 million.
Guardians 2 will open at 100 million domestic , 300 million internationally and go on to pull in around a billion worldwide
Spiderman will open at 90 million domestic , 250 million internationally and probably make close to a billion worldwide.
Thor Ragnarok will open at 70 million domestic and maybe 200 million internationally with a world wide cap out of 800 million or so.
Avengers Infinity war part 1 will open at 160 million domestic and 350 million internationally and go on to make 1.3 billion or so.
Black Panther will open at 50 million domestic and 100 million internationally with a worldwide total of maybe 500 million.
Captain Marvel will benefit from a 4 month break and might open at 60 or 70 million domestic with 150 million international. Could clear 650 million worldwide.
Avengers Infinity War part 2 will probably open at 120 million domestic with a 300 million debut internationally and will go on to make between 1.0 and 1.2 billion total.
Inhumans will probably get delayed or even cancelled.
The winner here will of course be disney , every dollar lost domestically will simply be gained elsewhere. Counting from Avengers 2 through to the box office of Avengers 4 I can easily see disney pulling in 10 billion dollars in box office receipts. Of course they also have at least 5 star wars films in the pipeline that will also make then at least another 5 billion + not to mention everything else they have coming out.
Basically, don't YOU worry about blank, let disney worry about blank.
The previous superhero film was Guardians of the Galaxy - a team based movie with a fresh cast of characters that felt quite a bit different from "just another superhero film" - it was well received by critics and fans alike thanks to a good script, and exciting new worlds being showcased on screen.
Age of Ultron , by comparison is merely the sequel to Avengers. It IS emphatically a better film than the first - the humor aims higher, the characters all feel more important and even the villain gets more developed. The new characters also manage to get just enough screen time to feel good enough BUT none of that really matters that much because AOU is still "just another superhero film". It doesn't do enough new things to feel fresh or different and thus - many fans and film critics are penalizing it for being more of the same (even if it's better executed).
That level of genre fatigue will only get worse with each new installment that fails to feel fresh. Last year it could even be argued that Cap2 won over many because only the last act of the film felt like a superhero flick. The first hour and 40 minutes was pretty much a James bond film.
Getting around to the box office numbers though- the north american movie going audience is on an everlasting steady decline. Individual ticket prices are slowly but surely increasing and the total amount of people watching ALL movies is always dropping. In 2014 , not a single movie broke 500 million domestic. I think there's a very good chance that there won't EVER be a movie breaking that value again. Tons of movies come out on bluray/dvd/digital under 4 months from theatrical debut now and with a 15-20$ ticket cost , it's cheaper for a family to go buy the movie after a short wait for 15-20$ so their entire family can watch it rather then spending 60-80$ for 4 tickets. AND if you wait a little longer still you can buy these films for even less before eventually getting them included in a netflix subscription.
Being serious though, I don't think anyone in this thread is honestly suggesting this genre is dead because AOU "only" pulled in 187 million domestic in 3 days. This film in particular and the box office on the whole looks to have suffered a little bit from so many people buying and watching that boxing match. The actual test here will be - how much of this audience sticks around next weekend ?
If I were Disney , I'd be estimating a 30% drop domestically versus the first avengers film. So AOU will end up around 400-450 million $ but internationally I'd expect 1.2-1.4 billion. The final tally will then be about the same, perhaps slightly higher than the first film.
Ant-Man will open to 50 or 60 million domestic and maybe 100 million internationally and go on to pull in maybe 500 million worldwide best case scenario.
Captain America Civil War will open at 80 or 90 million domestic and 250 million internationally and go on to pull in about a billion worldwide.
Doctor Strange will open at 40 to 50 million domestic and maybe 100 million internationally , worldwide 500 million.
Guardians 2 will open at 100 million domestic , 300 million internationally and go on to pull in around a billion worldwide
Spiderman will open at 90 million domestic , 250 million internationally and probably make close to a billion worldwide.
Thor Ragnarok will open at 70 million domestic and maybe 200 million internationally with a world wide cap out of 800 million or so.
Avengers Infinity war part 1 will open at 160 million domestic and 350 million internationally and go on to make 1.3 billion or so.
Black Panther will open at 50 million domestic and 100 million internationally with a worldwide total of maybe 500 million.
Captain Marvel will benefit from a 4 month break and might open at 60 or 70 million domestic with 150 million international. Could clear 650 million worldwide.
Avengers Infinity War part 2 will probably open at 120 million domestic with a 300 million debut internationally and will go on to make between 1.0 and 1.2 billion total.
Inhumans will probably get delayed or even cancelled.
The winner here will of course be disney , every dollar lost domestically will simply be gained elsewhere. Counting from Avengers 2 through to the box office of Avengers 4 I can easily see disney pulling in 10 billion dollars in box office receipts. Of course they also have at least 5 star wars films in the pipeline that will also make then at least another 5 billion + not to mention everything else they have coming out.
Basically, don't YOU worry about blank, let disney worry about blank.
I don't see how. They've announced they have movies planned beyond 2021.
Hasphat'sAnts
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It hurt the quality of the movie that's for sure.
mugurumakensei
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some people did. others went to sports bars and spent hundreds on alcohol instead.
Scorpion Soldier
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After hearing a brief summary of the fight the alcohol was definitely a better investment than the match itself.
Hasphat'sAnts
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No one shells out $100 to watch a fight by himself. If you bought the PPV, you had people over.
Else you'd just go to a bar instead.
SonicMegaDrive
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It absolutely did for me. That, and the announcement of Spider-Man. As soon as those things hit, Age of Ultron suddenly felt less exciting to me.
Civil War is coming off huge hype from Winter Soldier, and the addition of Iron Man and half the Avengers, with a good release date. There's nearly no chance it doesn't open to well over 100M.
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