Could be, guess we will see next week. Not really a point until then IMO.
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Witcher 3 downgrade arguments in here and nowhere else
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Could be, guess we will see next week. Not really a point until then IMO.
Watch a gameplay video from someone playing the PC version and you'll see a huge difference. The console versions look much muddier.
Do a YouTube search for Angry Joe plays the Witcher 3 for an example. It looks much better than the screenshots we've been shown, which were all taken from the Ps4 version.
Gunslinger
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True. But i am surprised how come no media outlet letting the downgrade affect their score. its still getting 9/10s. I guess downgrade don't matter. We are just overreacting for no reason. Also I wonder if downgrade would have been a factor if this game was made by ubisoft or capcom.
The question is not what the PC version will look like now, the question is how it's going to look in 3 months, in 6 months, in 12 months, years from now.
Personally I think you cannot quantify how much better the PC version would look because we have no standard on PC. It might look worse on one PC and look far superior on another.
This is the same for the majority of multiplatform games.
Same assets across all platforms - PC just has more detailed, higher resolution/quality of those same assets.
I guess having a completely different set of assets for PC ULTRA/HIGH and another set for PC MEDIUM/Consoles, is just too much work & costs
I wrote a long response to this post and realized it's completely futile, given the amount of prejudice your comments are filled with. No matter what I say you are going to come up with a a straw man counter and accuse me of insinuating things I never said. Yes, you have missed the point. By a country mile. So that's that. Let's not prolong it and make it needlessly unpleasant for both of us.
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A second post to me saying you won't bother posting to me in such a short period of time. Maybe try using it to give better context to me and the others who see little relevance in your assertions that TOD be accounted for, as if it weren't already.
Nothing needs to be unpleasant. There's no need for any personal angst or a grudge here. Get on with the information or get over the fact that I don't agree with your repeated notes and assertions.
The Inventor
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Yes, you and many others are right. The thing here, IMHO, is that they tried their best with the, let's say "available" hardware, given the complexity of the game.
Watch Dogs was a new IP and scores weren't that good either. Exactly the opposite is happening to the Witcher, which has great background story, fans and it delivered once more, that's why we're being more permissive.
Temptation got the better of me. What can I say.
I've responded to others who actually wanted to have a conversation. Your posts keep coming across as confrontational and accusatory for no reason, so I refuse to try again.
Lol. Exactly what I was talking about
icecold1983
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lol of course it doesnt, it does look better than the witcher 3 tho, from the current pc gameplay ive seen.
ryanthelion123
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Man the game was so good looking. It sucks. I am just hoping CDPR gives a comment on this, I think we deserve one.
Yeah suggesting that is what they should have done
Most of the games that have been downgraded have still sold acceptably or very well. Clearly failing to deliver on their promise is not making the publishers who do this "lose big," like the person I quoted said. That's good work ethic, but it clearly isn't followed in this industry and the developers who do it don't really suffer any consequences from it. Every time it happens people are still surprised.
Allnamestakenlol
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I don't see why. In so far as textures are concerned anyways. I'll admit I have minimal knowledge of game development practices, but I though it was common to create high fidelity assets, then scale them down as needed for the sake of performance. In which case, wouldn't they have higher quality assets they could use for higher settings? I dunno. Maybe I'm just talking out of my ass. Lol
Allow me to rephrase. "How can they be new shots, they look good and the game is currently ugly!". It's early
Oooh. Yeah. I get it now. Sorry I'm really tired :/Allow me to rephrase. "How can they be new shots, they look good and the game is currently ugly!". It's early
What makes it obvious though to me is the lighting and foliage.
icecold1983
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very very very few people have said the current witcher 3 media looks bad.
By these days maybe. I remember a time, not that long ago, where the shaders, textures, lightings, particles, foliages etc... had multiple quality levels. Your PC was a piece of crap, put the sliders all the way left, it was some war machine, all to the right, and everyone was happy.
Oblivion was night and day between min and max, I mean, just look at this!
Gunslinger
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^^But is the PS4 version of witcher 3 running on low settings? Anyone know what the PS4 version is running on? very low? low?
CassidyIzABeast
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Always amazing to look back and see games that were once called good looking.
Mainly "High" settings I thought?
That is correct
Gunslinger
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wow that's interesting then. because judging from the PC requirement to ultra this game at 60 fps is demanding. I was sure the ps4 was on very low to medium setting max. to run at 30 fps. So is the game not optimized well for PC?
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Yeah, that's kinda weird.
I also read that there's only one texture & model setting across all platform so you won't notice the differences. But how about PC low/medium texture?
That depends on how much of a jump there is between high and ultra. Typically ultra settings tend to have a huge performance hit for a low to moderate increase in quality. Also unclear if there are any settings that are equivalent to medium or low being used.
I think it was the Witcher 2 engine, and had some small handcrafted areas to demo the target and give the impression of an open world. Basically CG.
icecold1983
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I feel like once we have the pc version to compare, ps4 will be high almpst across the board with the exception of some medium/low lod settings
My understanding is that there are are no LOD settings
Key difference being 30 vs 60 FPS. A PC might be able to handle the PS4 settings at 60, which makes it quite a bit better than a PS4, but still struggle with all the max settings.
icecold1983
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Im sure details will be rendered further out on the pc version. If not then wow, yuck. The lod in the console footage is attrocious by high end pc standards.
BigTnaples
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The LoD is set in the assets unfortunately. But hopefully things like NPC fade in/draw distance will be adjustable.
Although, even with the extreme flora mod with TW2 which loads in he max assets all the time, they still load from the same distance, so plants just pop into existence, just at higher quality straight off the bat. So it's possible the engine just doesn't allow that to be adjusted.
I suppose we will know soon enough. We're there any captures of the PC graphical sliders during the YouTube event?
drotahorror
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Wonder if there will be some sort of tech analysis or something from digitalfoundry soon on the ps4 version?
No captures yet, but all the sliders are driven by ini files, which I detailed out in the preload thread. Click on quotes to see full details
Would be sort of pointless given they shipped review copies with notes to say the Day 1 patch would improve it. Probably won't see anything like this until launch week.
BigTnaples
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Possibly. Though they may wait for the face off.
Really interested in seeing how the PC version stacks up to the PS4 version. Although I'm sure I will have thoroughly tested it myself at 4Kbefore their article releases.
There were, however a few things intrigue me.
1. Peter Gelencser said that they were going to wait till release day to show the ultra settings in order for it to be a "slap in the face" [his quote not mine]
2. Jesse Cox said the settings were locked off to him
although a few others apparently were able to change them.
Still, all this inconsistent information from the devs and the people playing the game does have me holding out hope that CDPR is hiding the true ultra settings from the public in order to troll everyone asserting a downgrade. That could be what the day 1 patch is for.. but it's conjecture. To my knowledge the PC version wasn't among the leaked copies so all we have to go on are preview builds that CDPR personally set up for PR.
I'm willing to accept the reality of the situation if I'm wrong. Still, CDPR was/is one of the last true PC developers left. I'd like to be optimistic that they continue to live up to this title, even if it's just for another week.
You would hope so but it's a quirk of the Red Engine that the LOD is tied to the model. It was an issue for The Witcher 2 as well - even the best mods couldn't completely fix that.
BigTnaples
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Indeed. That would really be something if the day one patch enabled the Highest settings. NeoGAF would melt.
Not going to get my hopes up, but that sure would be cool.
Low - Medium - High - Uber - Enthusiast
Consoles being mixture of low to high.
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They have shown ultra, according to a some attendees at the YouTube event. A couple of the videos from the event say they captured it with Ultra and Hairworks.
BigTnaples
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Awesome. Looks like the 64x water tesslation from the 2013 trailer is still intact....
This gives hope.
They claim it's ultra. Again, I'm being really optimistic about my claims but I don't know... ignorance is bliss I guess. With that being said, if CDPR wanted to troll us into thinking the game was downgraded, using a fake ultra setting would be the way to do it. Furthermore, the alleged "ultra settings" we've been shown do look a lot better than what's been posted on here.. so I'm okay with it either way.
The ini files viveks posted said Uber though... Which means we don't actually know what they refer to as "Ultra"
. (Well probably they meant Ultra/Uber)The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt Enhanced Post Processing Edition.
Yeah the ini files certainly show loads of promise. We just don't know what the hardcoded max values are, if any.
My day 1 plan is to start at default uber at 4k60 and keep tuning, especially things like memory budget, textures, shadow scaling, foliage density, foliage distance & LOD, all of which have separate adjustable values for low/medium/high/uber presets, which in turn implies they are not entirely hard coded within the assets. Step 2 would be to get to the 2014 demo area so that I could experiment with some 1:1 comparisons and find if they meet, exceed or fall short of that baseline. Step 3 would be to go back further and compare with SoD and VGX trailers, which would certainly shed light on more significant changes that happened. Will post it all here and see where the discussion goes. Given how passionate (and sometimes downright obnoxious) people are becoming on both sides of the debate, I'll be happy to stay neutral and serve delicious crow either way!
GameAddict411
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But the assets are limited. Resolution can only do so much.The question is not what the PC version will look like now, the question is how it's going to look in 3 months, in 6 months, in 12 months, years from now.
Personally I think you cannot quantify how much better the PC version would look because we have no standard on PC. It might look worse on one PC and look far superior on another.
I know this is PS4 footage, but I must admit, for the type of hardware that is in the PS4, CDPR did a great job
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9hcctt8qus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9hcctt8qus
BigTnaples
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Yeah the ini files certainly show loads of promise. We just don't know what the hardcoded max values are, if any.
My day 1 plan is to start at default uber at 4k60 and keep tuning, especially things like memory budget, textures, shadow scaling, foliage density, foliage distance & LOD, all of which have separate adjustable values for low/medium/high/uber presets, which in turn implies they are not entirely hard coded within the assets. Step 2 would be to get to the 2014 demo area so that I could experiment with some 1:1 comparisons and find if they meet, exceed or fall short of that baseline. Step 3 would be to go back further and compare with SoD and VGX trailers, which would certainly shed light on more significant changes that happened. Will post it all here and see where the discussion goes. Given how passionate (and sometimes downright obnoxious) people are becoming on both sides of the debate, I'll be happy to stay neutral and serve delicious crow either way!
Nice. Look forward to whatever data you come up with.
What rig are you running? Dual Titan X's I assume, since you're starting out at 4K Ultra @60fps?
I plan on playing at 4K Ultra @30fps with my SLI 970 FTWs. Should be doable judging by previous benchmarks unless I hit the ram budget wall. Any game so far that gets 60FPS on a single 980 at 1080p, the 970's in SLI can do in 4K, same settings at at least 30fps. I have yet to see an exception to this rule, hopefully Wild Hunt won't be the one to do it.
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