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CDPR: Witcher 3 was made possible because of console sales
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justsomeguy
Member
This makes me excited for when dx12 is standard across the board.
Chobel
Member
The reason they have to point out that they needed consoles (and not that they needed all or that they needed pc) is that it isn't the console people complaining that pc is what held the game back. No one is complaining that they made it for PC. But there is a group that is complaining that they made it for consoles because they feel consoles are holding back PC gaming. It is those people cdpr is addressing.
Are you illiterate?
It was not "done". Please read the article again, I've been saying this all along that even without consoles there are other factors that can lead to downgrades. Stuff that may work on small scale like a vertical slice built for a trailer but break in the full game. This happens all the time and they even mentioned one specific case that they had to change because it just wouldn't work properly in the final game.
Gameplay from a vertical slice, a vertical slice is a section of a game specifically prepared for showcasing. Which is what they did, as mentioned in the article as well.
SpiceMelange
Member
A playable demo can still be a vertical slice, not that I think that witcher 3 2013 was a vertical slice unlike watch dog's reveal
hooijdonk17
Member
I suppose you should re-read. It was NOT a Vertical Slice. It was gameplay, in engine, running on a PC. It was not a baked synthetic situation for demo purposes.
Agree.
robertsan21
Member
I dont see how this is big news, obviously they would need Console market to earn this kind of money for a game. No way in hell PC alone could pay for the cost of these new AAA titles.
I do feel its shitty of them to lie about the downgrade that happened.
Hopefully next gen consoles will have tech that is modern and as powerful it can be on RELEASE not at the time of the reveal that accures years prior to the release of the console like PS4 had. Tired of developers having to "downdgrade" games for Consoles.
I do feel its shitty of them to lie about the downgrade that happened.
Hopefully next gen consoles will have tech that is modern and as powerful it can be on RELEASE not at the time of the reveal that accures years prior to the release of the console like PS4 had. Tired of developers having to "downdgrade" games for Consoles.
It was a vertical slice, by their own admission.
They implemented features that were untenable on the scale of an open world game, which they knew they were making. It was an egregious form of a vertical slice.
John Bender
Banned
There you have it, console haters! ^_^
A rendering engine which was not very scale-able, needed DX12 to function correctly and wouldn't be supported on consoles.
BMX Bandit
Member
🛂
Chobel
Member
Gameplay debut, which to my understanding should be the real gameplay.
Gamers, man. Gamers.
hooijdonk17
Member
And we are back to square one: Fuck CDPR.
GlamFM
Banned
Chobel
Member
Are you kidding me? The whole point of of DX12 is to make PC development similar consoles.
True, but the general feel of the downgrade thread from my impressions wasn't too much different from those PS4 parity threads that were so popular last year. Most people knew the benefits of multiplatform development, but there was an impression why that particular version wasn't pushed further. I mean, now that the game is out and some people like how it looks or have trouble running it maxed out have changed perspectives, but pre-release footage coupled with comments that alluded to version parity made the situation seem pretty suss for a bit.
Is this the stuff I've been missing out by avoiding that downgrade thread?
So instead of Saying hey guys we reworked the engine so it suits an open world they went with " Nah no downgrade from 2013-14".
hooijdonk17
Member
Maybe CDPR should work on their communication skills and stop being idiots instead, because when you release a video as Gameplay Debut that doesn't exactly tell the world that "you are extremely far away from completing the game."
It was a blatant lie.
derExperte
Member
The AAA money is everwyhere, on every platform and if you aren't Rockstar you need it all if your game is this big. Also SC isn't p2w.
Norwegian_Imposter
Member
The game they showed was a vertical slice. You know as well as I do PC gamers will not settle or be happy with a game where they can only run it on medium.
biglittleps
Member
I agree, PC sales are not enough to make a AAA game but consoles sales allows them to go for AAA budget due to day 1 sales always great in consoles because of the retail market and console marketing game gets. As a PS4 exclusive also they have a chance because there is good install base and gamers who likes RPG games over there, and recent exclusive Bloodborne sales for 9 days reached a million+ which proves that.
And one they haven't completely admitted to yet, but purposefully denied (and left room to substantiate their denial, "We aren't going to show Ultra settings") until after the game had been released and those pre-orders had gone through.
hooijdonk17
Member
Everyone was amazed by and completely satisfied with Crysis.
Feels like a weak excuse really, Witcher 2 was possible because of the Witcher 1 sales on PC, Witcher 2 on PC outsold its 360 counterpart by a very large quantity, Witcher 1 was possible due to Baldur's Gate sales and other titles being localized by CDPR in Poland. Around a third of Witcher 3 1.5 million in preorders are on PC according to SteamSpy.
Unless they got an outside investor for Witcher 3 or some huge loans banking and risking on console sales then it was only because of the sales of Witcher 1, 2 (not disregarding Witcher 2 on 360) and GOG that managed to finance Witcher 3.
And in the end, the visuals did not need to be downgraded, the option could've simply been kept on PC and downscale for consoles.
Unless they got an outside investor for Witcher 3 or some huge loans banking and risking on console sales then it was only because of the sales of Witcher 1, 2 (not disregarding Witcher 2 on 360) and GOG that managed to finance Witcher 3.
And in the end, the visuals did not need to be downgraded, the option could've simply been kept on PC and downscale for consoles.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Yep, a lot of PC elitists refuse to acknowledge this.
Hell, even if you are rockstar. Note that rockstar seems to prioritize console sales which I bet is because that is where they feel they get most their money from.
Nope didn't buy it. Not worth the $70-80 I have to pay. I'll wait til its $30.
People keep glossing over the fact they blatantly lied. And now they are trying to spin with with PR shit. No one would be happy with a parity clause either everyone seemed to be pissed off about the Xbox one.
Yeah Witcher 1 had like a tiny staff man
Witcher 3 is 200 people working on it, they can't live off 5 dollar Steam sales forever and thats how they raked up those sales numbers for W1 and W2.
1.5 million pre orders full price is what they need and deserve
Also as he fucking said they couldnt just keep this rendering engine, so yeah they couldnt just keep it and "downgrade it", or are you an expert?
This isn't rocket science man come on
family_guy
Member
They say they don't think it's a downgrade but then they say their original version wouldn't work. Is that not a downgrade?
It seems you have an agenda here.
GlamFM
Banned
I have no idea what you are trying to say.
CyberPunked
Member
/jk
FinalStageBoss
Banned
Shocking. They are a business after all.
Look at the bright side : they admitted it in the end.
Because that's not Bioware who would have done (admitting they fucked up the PC controls for example) that even when fans were camping their forum.
Yes, they've to improve on communication.
hooijdonk17
Member
I have a grievance. There is a difference.
If that were the case, most publishers would be skipping PC and sparing themselves the development losses, in reality more and more publishers and devs are going to PC because there is money to be made and AAA gaming is becoming more and more expensive to restrict a release to a platform or 2, paid for exclusives not withstanding.
Put "been" between "have made", but I'm sure you could figure that out yourself.
It's not that hard to get the gist of what was being said.
Chobel
Member
LOL!
Then point me to those third party AAA exclusives on a single console platform. You can't because they don't exist unless they're moneyhatted or funded by a platform holder. In the current market a third party AAA developer can't rely on one platform to support their game, regardless if it's PS4 or PC. Without the PC sales for this game, it wouldn't be anywhere near the scope of how it is now either.
GlamFM
Banned
See, I thought maybe he was talking about money. I put "Millions" behind "made".