if HippieHobo is town, then I suppose it will be one less power role for the mafia to worry about.
anyways, I guess I'll go against the curve and pick
vote: freakzilla
why? because in the unlikely circumstance freakzilla is mafia, then we can point our suspicion towards the behavior of Haly, and maybe RobotNinjaHornets, for trying to push the attention away from this mafia member.
if freakzilla is not mafia, well he's just a regular townie, so we don't lose someone with a special role.
if it looks like there's going to be a stalemate, I'll change my vote to avoid a tie.
Ok, HippieHobo has a majority right now, which means he'll evicted when times runs out. Can we hold any more votes for him till I get home to make my case against Haly? Should be about an hour.
Ok, HippieHobo has a majority right now, which means he'll evicted when times runs out. Can we hold any more votes for him till I get home to make my case against Haly? Should be about an hour.
I'm curious what your argument is here, I think I'm going to agree with it. I disagree with seeing Hippie's power as anti-Townie, it simply means he can sway votes more strongly. It's not like he has enough power to evict someone himself. I think Haly was scared of having that power used against him (as it was at the time), and made up an argument as to why it should be seen as a threat in order to get more people against HippieHobo and save himself.
Welp. Decent chunk of stuff happened when I was asleep/working and not at lunch.
I'll go over it again later when I have more time (probably like 8, 9 hours, going to see Mad Max straight after work), but the HippieHobo role is interesting. Very interesting...
Ok, well, I'm knackered and am going to bed in a minute, so that was a lie.
However, HH has made me swing back a bit to him being a villager with how he just kind of...gave up there. That does not strike me as the kind of thing that someone who is talking with his team about how to handle being accused would do, especially not with 18 hours left.
That said...I kind of want to keep my vote for him. If he turns out to be mafia, however unlikely I think that now is, then cool, great, we have a good list of people who we can probably trust, and a few more leads.
If not - there was a bit of a bandwagon we can examine. The last 4 votes were all within half an hour of each other, perfect for an HHA guy to slip their vote in.
I mean, however it goes now, he's not long for this village. Either he goes today, he goes in the night or the old "HOW DID HE SURVIVE THE NIGHT GET HIM OUTTA HERE" situation happens. And to be honest, I doubt taking my vote off of him now would make people change from how they've voted, and since I have no other ideas...yeah. Hm.
At first I thought that HHA members would be highly active, but as I have realized and as others said, it leaves an open door for mistakes.
I'm now convinced that Haly and Launchpad are not HHA, two of which I suspected the most.
But you all should keep your eyes on the following players: tomakasatsanav, 21gunz and smokingun. They are three of the most inactive. Coincidentally, tomakasatsanav who is very close to Tucah. Too close and too quiet in my opinion.
So I'll make my last move,
Double Vote: Tomakasatsanav
I cannot stress enough how important it is to keep an eye on barely active players.
I just looked at the least active players, and Toma stood outside to me given how close he is to noe gone Tucah, and his post history too.
However, the other least active players are also equally suspicious. I'm surprised we overlooked this. It's exactly as RobotNinja said. But oh well, go ahead and evict me.
I just wanted to put the spotlight on the least active ones.
Ok, HippieHobo has a majority right now, which means he'll evicted when times runs out. Can we hold any more votes for him till I get home to make my case against Haly? Should be about an hour.
At first I thought that HHA members would be highly active, but as I have realized and as others said, it leaves an open door for mistakes.
I'm now convinced that Haly and Launchpad are not HHA, two of which I suspected the most.
But you all should keep your eyes on the following players: tomakasatsanav, 21gunz and smokingun. They are three of the most inactive. Coincidentally, tomakasatsanav who is very close to Tucah. Too close and too quiet in my opinion.
So I'll make my last move,
Double Vote: Tomakasatsanav
I cannot stress enough how important it is to keep an eye on barely active players.
At first I thought that HHA members would be highly active, but as I have realized and as others said, it leaves an open door for mistakes.
I'm now convinced that Haly and Launchpad are not HHA, two of which I suspected the most.
But you all should keep your eyes on the following players: tomakasatsanav, 21gunz and smokingun. They are three of the most inactive. Coincidentally, tomakasatsanav who is very close to Tucah. Too close and too quiet in my opinion.
So I'll make my last move,
Double Vote: Tomakasatsanav
I cannot stress enough how important it is to keep an eye on barely active players.
I just looked at the least active players, and Toma stood outside to me given how close he is to noe gone Tucah, and his post history too.
However, the other least active players are also equally suspicious. I'm surprised we overlooked this. It's exactly as RobotNinja said. But oh well, go ahead and evict me.
I just wanted to put the spotlight on the least active ones.
See these posts just lead me to believe he's town. He's not doing much to defend himself, and instead he's promoting us look at other players after he's gone.
You may not agree with his assessments or opinions, but he seems to be trying to help town out after he is resigned to his fate.
Maybe it's a really clever ploy to promote his innocence, but seems to me like Hobo is truly just a regular townie with double votes.
This isn't about my suspicions or whatever but to follow up Hippiehobo's post...
Being inactive is actually really disruptive to the game. This game only works if everyone is talking. It's one thing to be shy and/or sneaky, but it's quite another thing to not engage in the game entirely. I understand RL commitments always come first, but if you really can't spare the time then you should consider asking to be replaced.
If something changes within the next 24 hours and the heat comes off of Hippiehobo, rather than end the day with a No Evict again, I propose simply eliminating those who at the bottom of the activity list. This game is already complicated as it is, I don't really need or want to see giant question marks in my notes. It's like trying to find 23 variables (22 now, I guess) with only 18 equations. It just doesn't work, and it's grating. I'm sure everyone, at least on the Town side, would prefer to work with players who actually talk, rather than total wild cards who cannot analyzed at all because they offer nothing about themselves.
Inactivity favors Mafia, and I'll happily get rid of inactive Townies just for the barest amount of information, which will have the upside of pressuring people into speaking up.
This isn't about my suspicions or whatever but to follow up Hippiehobo's post...
Being inactive is actually really disruptive to the game. This game only works if everyone is talking. It's one thing to be shy and/or sneaky, but it's quite another thing to not engage in the game entirely. I understand RL commitments always come first, but if you really can't spare the time then you should consider asking to be replaced.
If something changes within the next 24 hours and the heat comes off of Hippiehobo, rather than end the day with a No Evict again, I propose simply eliminating those who at the bottom of the activity list. This game is already complicated as it is, I don't really need or want to see giant question marks in my notes. It's like trying to find 23 variables (22 now, I guess) with only 18 equations. It just doesn't work, and it's grating. I'm sure everyone, at least on the Town side, would prefer to work with players who actually talk, rather than total wild cards who cannot analyzed at all because they offer nothing about themselves.
Inactivity favors Mafia, and I'll happily get rid of inactive Townies just for the barest amount of information, which will have the upside of pressuring people into speaking up.
I didn't think I had to go point by point, but nin1000 actually bought it. I'm guessing he must be on your side, but one sign of agreement could lead people in this direction.
I'd just like to point out beforehand that you haven't offered up a single shred of evidence in your defense, only evidence to my detriment.
1) I've been promoting conversation in all directions as much as possible. I was pretty bored at work for the first week of this so I had a lot of time to think about it. You also claim that I've been pushing people in a certain direction from behind - yet I'm going straight for the vote this time. I've also straight up voted on people just to get them active or press them a bit. So, that explanation is kind of inconsistent to my actual behavior. This is also the most I've been convinced on any one person since the game started.
2) It seems to have fired you up pretty good, so I think it's done as good a job as I'd hoped.
3) I'll reiterate my thoughts on the roomies. I think Ultron is neutral and fran is probably town. I'm just going by what Ultron has said about his role. If you guys wanted to press the issue, you could have; someone else pointed out that having fran reveal his role was a bad idea even before I did. I just didn't want to be the one to do it because I didn't agree.
There's also a big problem with your train of logic thus far. You've voted for Hippie already. Your latest two accusations went from him to me, yet you claim I'm the lesser of two evils here. Yet, we're both HHA, correct? So, we must be working together, right?
But, I've already been antagonistic towards him. I called him out earlier on in the week for what I thought was an obvious screw-up
Also, this may the low-hanging fruit, but I'm really suspicious of HippieHobo. He announced the night was over before it actually was. He may have thought it was over because the HHA had already come to a decision, and he would only know that if he were a member.
and he ended up accusing me of being HHA and poking holes in my accusations. Read in context, there's nothing stilted about that argument that would lead us to know each other's roles with some real legitimacy. So, why would we even argue if we were HHA? I honestly got scared that his posts would turn the tides against me when Salva jumped on board.
Guys, I'm an ordinary villager. Believe me. You're going to waste a turn on someone who's trying to help. :/
I don't know if Hippie is HHA or not, but you can't accuse me and him. Whatever the situation is, we definitely don't know if we're on the same side. What is really of interest here is the fixation you have with both of us despite this, though. For Hippie, it's more obvious because he just revealed a role that could be used against you; for me, it's when I started pointing out flaws in your arguments and your overreactions. Your posts are looking less like arguments and more like witch hunts. Yet, I return to you claiming that I'm the known quantity here. Flip the context, and what you're basically saying is that I'm the powerless villager and HippieHobo is the special villager, so we should vote to remove him. Also, interestingly, this is probably the first time you've considered me seriously as a suspect, I'm assuming because I've mostly been backing up your posts and ideas since the game started.
The thing that really stands out to me, though, is this attitude:
All that said, I knew what you were doing and I don't really care. If you haven't noticed, I have no problem sticking my neck out if it means getting more information out of people. And if you're wondering why suspicion doesn't fall on me, it's because I'm so completely brazen that it's unthinkable I'd be HHA and put myself at risk like this. Funny how that works isn't it? Of course now that I've tipped my hand people will be more suspicious of me now but, again, I don't really care.
Really, this is just overselling on the altruism. I'm willing to put myself in a moderate amount of risk, but it would really suck if I got voted out because I'm pretty sure everybody would feel bad about it. But to just come out and say you're willing to go balls out - it's too blatant. Losing a regular townie is a mitigated loss, in the sense that it's not a role that could have helped others, but it's still a loss for our side. I know I've backed up the idea that sacrificing townies might be necessary, but you should know what value you bring to the table - through your discussions and your voting. I don't think a townie, let alone one as active as you, would be that self-deprecating.
Ok, with this and all previous info.. I think I will stick to my first guess and say freakzilla is the most suspect, I made my mind and I won´t change my vote unless it is needed for a swing vote or if we get overwhelming information.
Also, Tomakasatnav has been really inactive and I really can´t shake the feeling he is HHA.
But you all should keep your eyes on the following players: tomakasatsanav, 21gunz and smokingun. They are three of the most inactive. Coincidentally, tomakasatsanav who is very close to Tucah. Too close and too quiet in my opinion.
So I'll make my last move,
Double Vote: Tomakasatsanav
I cannot stress enough how important it is to keep an eye on barely active players.
Toma has said he's been/will be traveling this week. I mean, I'm not sure if it means anything, but he at least chimes in once a day from the looks of it. I wouldn't read too much into that. Press the issue if it concerns you. Don't read into this as me defending him. :/
This isn't about my suspicions or whatever but to follow up Hippiehobo's post...
Being inactive is actually really disruptive to the game. This game only works if everyone is talking. It's one thing to be shy and/or sneaky, but it's quite another thing to not engage in the game entirely. I understand RL commitments always come first, but if you really can't spare the time then you should consider asking to be replaced.
If something changes within the next 24 hours and the heat comes off of Hippiehobo, rather than end the day with a No Evict again, I propose simply eliminating those who at the bottom of the activity list. This game is already complicated as it is, I don't really need or want to see giant question marks in my notes. It's like trying to find 23 variables (22 now, I guess) with only 18 equations. It just doesn't work, and it's grating. I'm sure everyone, at least on the Town side, would prefer to work with players who actually talk, rather than total wild cards who cannot analyzed at all because they offer nothing about themselves.
Inactivity favors Mafia, and I'll happily get rid of inactive Townies just for the barest amount of information, which will have the upside of pressuring people into speaking up.
As we all know there's A, B. C. D, and E. Five spaces, essentially, four of which could house potential HHA members. I don't think that there could be a space that shares two Mafia members, not if we are to assume that 1) There are indeed four HHA members in total, and 2) if we are to go by Karkador's post in regards to players and their roles. He said this:
I cannot comment on any of the discussion so far, but as the person who makes the rules, I feel that I have to clarify the earlier explanation I made about how roles were assigned - because it's not exactly "random", and I don't want to see this game get sidetracked into pure statistics.
Let me clarify how I assigned roles in this game.
1. The map with 25 spaces was made - 3 spaces were removed to fit the player count, with the intention of having two players and two roles inhabit one space.
2. I assigned roles to the spaces, by design of the game
3. I then took the list of players, randomized it, and filled them into each house, row by row.
So it is accurate to say that players were assigned their roles randomly (as you would expect in these games), but inaccurate to say that roles were assigned to a space randomly. I apologize for the confusion.
Points number 2 and 3 put things into perspective. The players were randomized, but not the roles, as Karkador explains. That's why I feel that having HHA members with special abilities on the top corners really makes no sense. By default it rules out Haly as a suspicious HHA player, and me as well. It makes sense to have them evenly spread out throughout the map, so that their special abilities can play an important role in the game mechanics.
As I stated above, there is space A, B, C, D, and E. I will go with two possible scenarios:
1) Four HHA members are located in four of those spaces, leaving one space with no HHA.
2) Two HHA share the same space, which is unlikely, but it could very well be due to their roles and perhaps their special abilities.
I know what Haly is saying about being inactive, but let's not forget about what Robotninja said:
Posting more makes people more likely to make mistakes though. I don't doubt that at least a few of the less actives just don't have anything to post, but since everything that's said can be gone back to and scrutinised for the rest of the game I doubt any HHA would want to be overly active. Much easier that way, especially early game when noone really knows anything.
More active is more liable to make mistakes though. None of us in the last game were the most active and it let us ride out a fair amount of the game unchallenged.
Robotninja was Mafia in the last game, and confirms that inactivity was key to their gameplay strategy.
Yes Haly, I agree inactivity can be annoying, but I think it plays rather well into HHA's plans, and well let's just say it's a game mechanic.
To elaborate on why I believe that Toma is HHA:
1) He is next to Tucah.
2) His position, he is located in C1. This is important to keep in mind.*
3) He is inactive, which I will elaborate more on.
*By looking at the map, the numbers run vertically, while the letters run diagonally. I believe Karkador has to spread the roles evenly, and it's better to do it if they are distrubuted by letter first, then number. That means that the vertical position relative to the diagonal space a role occupies, is important for the balance of the game. I am also confident that they are evenly spaced out. However, two Mafia members could be diagonal neighbors. I believe this because it makes natural sense as there is a preferance to have two of them close for the sake of the game. Also, because there are four of them, so it's likely two of them will be diagonal neighbors, but they will not share the same space vertically (the letters).
On Toma's inactivity, let's look at some of his posts:
He claims not to have heard anything about Tucah's house. But if you ask me... maybe he did hear something? Possibly yes, possibly no. Freakzilla didn't hear anything, he claims.
The Klopeks move into the neighborhood after their last house burnt down, and a lot of noise came from their basement each night.. they end up being murderers
I imagine quite a lot of gears are moving around in people's heads today, if there is a range for those with powers. Is there range going to be the same for everyone? I imagine we'll get quite a few accusations based on applying their own range to those near Tucah?[/QUOTE]
Interesting, at that last question. No one else pressured him either. We all focused on pointing fingers at Freakzilla, but not Toma. He was then inactive for a long time.
I know there are issues with HHA having limited range (for example, not being able to kill off certain people etc, but I'm sure there's something in place to prevent that) but I'm still in the mind that there's ranges due to the map.
Looking at the map with this in mind. Tucah was a red herring for someone listening, so I expect there's HHA in the same range. Without Tucah / with his role now known, kills might not through this HHA member so as to prevent them getting caught? Animated GIF! (Hard G)
Taking Razmos' supposed range of left right up down neighbours, we would get yellow.
I think diagonals are in play, due to freakzillas/ the housemates positioning on the map with the river, which gives us pink.
Think we need to go for someone from that square? (Which I realise includes me!)
He's too close, too quiet and too careful. He realizes this and he tries to act all normal, like a regular townie trying to figure out what happened after Tucah's night eviction/house demolition. But unlike others genuinely concerned. Toma seems to be very careful about his word choice, taking time when to post, and he only so far has 11 posts.
I believe he is HHA.
Toma is with the HHA for the evidence above. That's all I got.
I also wanted to add, to anyone I end up being on the opposite side of in an argument in this game, I hope we can be friends afterwards. It's just a game after all. <3
I also realize that Foshy is also equally suspicious, by looking at his position, his post (he barely posts), and his location.
He is one of the lowest posters in this game. But he is active. A little search on his account, and it reveals that while the last time he posted on this thread was the 18th, the last time he posted on Gaf was yesterday. He's been active, he just rarely posts. Which brings me to another point that Robotninja made:
Maybe Mafia members also do this for this game. I don't think that we should cut a break to those who barely participate. I mean they could still read the thread but not post because they are afraid of showing their true colors. At this point I am suspicious of Foshy and Toma.
Blerghhh....been rereading the thread for the last half hour looking for a thread to follow. So rambly thought time. My current inclination is to vote for neither Haly nor Hippie. Further, while also being irritated with the inactives and the low actives I think it's too early in the game to remove them.
I'm leaning towards voting for someone who voted no evict day one and who as of this post is voting for hippie, that narrows things to 7-8 people I believe with a decent chance that someone in that set may be HHA hiding out (Haly is among them but he's also one of the most active and proactive players currently even if he eventually turns out to be HHA at this point in the game I still think he is useful to the town).
Sure I can. I don't know if you truly believe this or not, but I want to explain my thought process:
One of the main parts of identifying HHA is looking for some semblance of collusion between players. Thus, I mentally group players together by how they talk to each other. By threatening one of the players in these networks, I hope to draw a reaction from the others. From reading the old Mafia thread, I have learned a lot more about how players actually behave so I need to revise my initial assessments, but the gist is that I had you and Hippiehobo in two "rival" potential HHA networks. I needed to test both, and I was more confident I caught Hippiehobo, so I went for him first. Then you decided now would be a good time to confront me and, well, I couldn't just let that slide now, could I? If you were willing to engage me then I can force you to continue engaging me because otherwise pulling back would rouse other Townie's suspicion.
So yes, I can accuse you and him at the same time, believing each one is HHA and seeing what the pressure does to other players. No, I don't need to think you're both HHA together, or that you two are in two different HHA faction. All I had are my suspicions, which I needed to test against both of you.
Also, interestingly, this is probably the first time you've considered me seriously as a suspect, I'm assuming because I've mostly been backing up your posts and ideas since the game started.
Christ, no, you were one of the first. After Mazre. But, again, this is when I had a naive understanding of inter-Mafia relationships. I'm less suspicious of Mazre now, but your posts including that "bait" one gave me a lot of things to consider.
But to just come out and say you're willing to go balls out - it's too blatant.
I decided early on I wouldn't play the quiet villager and just go with the flow because it would be boring. I'd much rather play chicken with you like this, even if it turns out you're Town.
The paranoia is real. Been going around in circles for the last 2 hours and half but think I've decided on a forward course.
VOTE: nin1000
This is largely based on his voting pattern and post quality during day 2. As in my previous post I centered my search on individuals who voted no evict day 1 and up to my previous vote had voted for Hippie day 2. Other individuals in that group strike me as possible HHA based on the same criteria. When I factor in post quality and gut feeling though I lean more towards nin1000.
As I stated yesterday this I still only have a heavy hunch on who may be HHA. My vote for nin1000 is also due to my current feeling that neither Haly nor Hippie are HHA.
Currently also hoping that we take day 2 to the deadline and plurality rather than ending on a straight majority. Would really love if we got a vote out of everyone, though I imagine we'll still have a few no votes (smoking seems to be completely AWOL).
It's today that I'm out with work (hence up at 5am..), the rest of my inactivity is just me being lame, sorry.
Also not sure how being careful what I say is a point being used against me in a game of Mafia! Hopefully I'll have a chance to vote when I get to the airport.
Hmm... honestly my vote for Hippiehobo was based on Haly's arguments but if he himself is unsure I guess I'm ready to reconsider.
I'll leave my vote as it is for now and just before the end I'll vote as best I can to evict the right person.
However, as it stands my suspicions are still strongly on Launchpad and SalvaPot, the two of them took me by surprise earlier at how easily they almost had a consensus going against me. If either of them are at risk of eviction I'll vote for them.
Hmm... honestly my vote for Hippiehobo was based on Haly's arguments but if he himself is unsure I guess I'm ready to reconsider.
I'll leave my vote as it is for now and just before the end I'll vote as best I can to evict the right person.
However, as it stands my suspicions are still strongly on Launchpad and SalvaPot, the two of them took me by surprise earlier at how easily they almost had a consensus going against me. If either of them are at risk of eviction I'll vote for them.
Seems kinda foolish for me to keep my vote against you, isn´t it?
So far I have been trying to get reactions out of everyone and honestly launch seems innocent to me, even if I still have my suspicions. I do honestly still have my eyes on you freak, I still think there is a high chance you are HHA
It's today that I'm out with work (hence up at 5am..), the rest of my inactivity is just me being lame, sorry.
Also not sure how being careful what I say is a point being used against me in a game of Mafia! Hopefully I'll have a chance to vote when I get to the airport.
The paranoia is real. Been going around in circles for the last 2 hours and half but think I've decided on a forward course.
VOTE: nin1000
This is largely based on his voting pattern and post quality during day 2. As in my previous post I centered my search on individuals who voted no evict day 1 and up to my previous vote had voted for Hippie day 2. Other individuals in that group strike me as possible HHA based on the same criteria. When I factor in post quality and gut feeling though I lean more towards nin1000.
As I stated yesterday this I still only have a heavy hunch on who may be HHA. My vote for nin1000 is also due to my current feeling that neither Haly nor Hippie are HHA.
The paranoia is real. Been going around in circles for the last 2 hours and half but think I've decided on a forward course.
VOTE: nin1000
This is largely based on his voting pattern and post quality during day 2. As in my previous post I centered my search on individuals who voted no evict day 1 and up to my previous vote had voted for Hippie day 2. Other individuals in that group strike me as possible HHA based on the same criteria. When I factor in post quality and gut feeling though I lean more towards nin1000.
As I stated yesterday this I still only have a heavy hunch on who may be HHA. My vote for nin1000 is also due to my current feeling that neither Haly nor Hippie are HHA.
It absolutely makes sense for HHA to bandwagon. I agree that voting patterns are something to look out for.
As far as Haly's case, I'm also suspicious of Haly, but I also suspicious of Launchpad still. It could be that:
1) Launchpad is HHA, and trying to go after Haly for his deductive skills could mess them up big time.
2) Haly is HHA, and Launchpad is townie, given that Haly knows who the townies are, he'll go after those with special abilities first.
3) They're both Townies, who are too paranoid of one another.
I'm thinking that 3 is very likely, followed by 1 as being likely, and then by 2.
I hope Haly is not HHA, his deductive skills and discussion will be very helpful to the game. If he is HHA, then he's a really good one.
Regardless, you don't want Haly out this early. He's the player who is worth protecting.
VOTE: nin1000
This is largely based on his voting pattern and post quality during day 2. As in my previous post I centered my search on individuals who voted no evict day 1 and up to my previous vote had voted for Hippie day 2. Other individuals in that group strike me as possible HHA based on the same criteria. When I factor in post quality and gut feeling though I lean more towards nin1000.
As I stated yesterday this I still only have a heavy hunch on who may be HHA. My vote for nin1000 is also due to my current feeling that neither Haly nor Hippie are HHA.
I can for one understand that Hobo will vote on me, since i shared the sentiments of haly.
Mazre voting on me on the other hand seems kind of odd as i just followed the wave of sentiments on not evicting anyone day 1. Day 2 on the other hand i felt the urge to defend Zilla since on my point of view he was treated unfairly.
Haly made a pretty impressive post in my view but it could have been a huge paranoia post that led nowhere.
this will come out as pretty hypocritical since i voted on hobo but I made that vote 8 hours ago before he shared his feelings and thoughts on the game in his last postsEspecially this post stood out as he kept the ball rolling and did not stop analysing the game even though the votes piled up on him.
Hats off to that and as i said this will come out as fishy but whatever i think hippihobbo is as important to the town as several others in the game.
I think this post is really well reasoned, but it's given me nothing to build my case against you with. In lieu of that, I had to go searching a bit into the backlog of posts.
My current theory is that the following are HHA members together:
Haly
freakzilla149
nin1000
I don't know if there are more, probably yes, but these three definitely have some sort of collusion going on. Taken apart, each of these instances don't mean much, but together they paint a larger picture.
First, there were the accusations on freakzilla and just generally calling him out for inactivity. Freakzilla would eventually show up to defend himself and start casting accusations on people who had voted for him, namely myself, in defense. He was pretty erratic and belligerent, which is behavior consistent with a mafia player who has been called out or one that isn't allied with the town, but I eventually backed down.
Looking back, however, Haly's reactions are what are most interesting about this. If Haly and freakzilla were allies, I would expect Haly - being as well-reasoned as he has proven to be - not to come to freakzilla's defense and instead let the situation resolve itself. And, that's exactly what he did. Freakzilla's behavior when he finally chimed in was very suspect, yet Haly didn't even acknowledge that it was going on. Anything that would support an actual argument for freakzilla being a townie was veiled in general responses like such:
It was a pretty notable point of contention, yet Haly seemed to dance around the subject altogether for the number of posts we discussed freakzilla for. He only acknowledged it had happened when he wanted to change the focus of the conversation:
There's two ways to look at it: Haly had no real interest in the outcome of this train of thinking or he was trying to keep himself isolated from the situation. Even if he had no interest in this line of reasoning, I have to question why when freakzilla's behavior was so suspicious at that point.
Now, nin1000 is perhaps the most suspicious of the group. He's blatantly defended both Haly and freakzilla on multiple occasions. He hasn't gotten nearly as spirited about any of his other posts, except when it came to these two players:
awesome post by Haly
Holy Hell Haly impressive post as most if not everything in it makes sense and makes hopefully everyone in this game think
As we are now less than 24hours away from the day to end we now have to start voting soon. Shitty situation but one or another we have to do it, even with the posibility that we might kill a townie.
Most notably, that last quote was on a post that Haly wrote almost entirely crapping on me, most of which was untrue and unsubstantiated. Also, nin1000's voting patterns have consistently followed Haly's, even after Mazre's most recent call-out:
Now, for sure, I think Haly is the most careful of this group if he is HHA. I've been pressing him, but mostly on a gut feeling that I've had about him and there's been a severe lack of evidence to implicate him in anything seriously. By contrast, nin1000 and freakzilla have been much more loose in their way of speaking about their proposed comrades. If their other posts were better formulated, I would suspect that they were trying to frame Haly up because by all accounts Haly has done a very good job covering himself up, yet the other two seem to support this small network of players.
However, I think Haly is possibly the most dangerous of them if he is HHA. He has most of us all convinced that he's on our side mostly because of his well-reasoned and frequent posts. That's understandable, but I think that we shouldn't be overlooking the possibility that he's a very crafty and well-spoken individual who could be playing all of us. Promoting discussion if it's in the direction that ultimately ends with losing more townies is not a favorable outcome for us.
On the topic of HippieHobo... I hope you guys know what you're doing. I won't defend him because I don't have anything substantial to prove he's a townie other than us having it out before (and he still suspects me >_>;, but my gut tells me it's a decision we're going to regret as a group. I don't want to be a part of that so I'm not going to vote for him.
As i stated before it could have been any other player aswell since you were keen on jumping to conclusions pretty quick. I defendet him as i would any other player who was accused of gut feelings. To think that just by defending him makes me an ally to him is Kind of strange since defending someone shines the attention to the one defending him in that case ,me. I take that risk of being suspicious if i can defend other players that are being blamed for nothing really. In that other case freakzilla.
Even now since i started to become the center oft discussion. I shared my feelings concerning hobo 8 hours ago, i still think that haly made some good points and those points led me to believe at that point that it would have been the best to vote for hobo, and much they changed since his last post.
He defended himself like a master and even as it looked pretty Bad for him at that point he did not stop playing FOR the town , that changed my mind.
If i Bad been awake at that point i would have changed my vote sooner but well it is what it is.
Only because i shared the same feelings towards hobo , i repeat myself here, does not make me an ally to Haly .
I for myself cant really decide anymore on who to vote for today even with you Launchpad going from one player to the other and forcing a vote.
Even that is not enough for me at this point to vote in you.
Only because i shared the same feelings towards hobo , i repeat myself here, does not make me an ally to Haly .
I for myself cant really decide anymore on who to vote for today even with you Launchpad going from one player to the other and forcing a vote.
Even that is not enough for me at this point to vote in you.
I'm also not going from one person to another, I've clearly outlined what my current prevailing theory is, and it includes three specific players. Besides which, this isn't a game where changing your opinion often is suspicious; it's the tendencies and patterns of those opinions that start to show some evidence.
That said, I thought for sure this day was going to go with an evict on HippieHobo, so I didn't do this in my previous post. But now that Salva has changed his vote and it has some traction, I'll do the same.
VOTE: nin1000
Read into that however you like people, but put practically, I see nin1000 as an easier target to confirm my suspicions and I feel like Hippie is being wrongly accused. But again, I've outlined why I think nin1000 is particularly suspect and I don't have anything to back up that last part other than a gut feeling; I'll accept being wrong if I'm wrong.
As I've already stated, I'm town-aligned. Don't wanna reveal too much, but I have a role with which I can target one my immediate neighbors, as Tucah has died already) during the day phase. Whoever I target will be notified by Karkador, and they'll be able to confirm what I'm telling you right now.
I didn't target anyone in the first day phase, but I did in this one. So by the next day we should have someone who can vouch for my innocence.
Honestly though, I would have changed my vote in the previous post if I thought it would have changed anything at the time; it would still only have been 4 for nin1000 and 6 for HippieHobo. I just knew I wasn't getting traction for a Haly vote in this phase. I'm more convinced changing my vote would be meaningful now. And as I said, nin1000 is incredibly suspicious; almost obviously so.
As I've already stated, I'm town-aligned. Don't wanna reveal too much, but I have a role with which I can target one my immediate neighbors, as Tucah has died already) during the day phase. Whoever I target will be notified by Karkador, and they'll be able to confirm what I'm telling you right now.
I didn't target anyone in the first day phase, but I did in this one. So by the next day we should have someone who can vouch for my innocence.
