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Does your rule have any type of restriction? I am talking about range.
Sure. I was considering waiting until the next day phase anyway.
Don't have any restriction. I can target anyone.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
yo guys, the day I'm traveling is the day you decide to post a bunch? come ooonnn
Ok, I know I was the first one to vote for Nin in this round, but barring his suspicious behavior thus far - which can be viewed as him just having a big mouth - there seems to be some serious evidence here in the form of logic traps.
Specifically, I'm talking about the gossips and the light sleeper, Kalor. These roles exist to gather evidence, but it would far too contrived if they were made to gather evidence for HHA. It's possible, yes, but the purpose would be redundant considering the HHA are the ones with their own private line of communication with which they can already gather information that we reveal through discussion and making decisions on that information. Really, it would feel unbalanced as heck. That's not to say that the HHA wouldn't have any special roles, but at the least the gossip feels like a redundant role for HHA. So, to make these roles relevant, it's almost certain that an HHA member resides in each of those ranges. However, I was not aware that the gossip chats opened information up to others that could be chatted with, like Darryl finding out Timeaisis is an ordinary villager; I'm at least 50% certain this could have been used to back francorp's alibi. His reasoning for targeting these two players holds up, but it's pretty weird that he chose two players next to each others - linked by the gossip's private chat. Unfortunately, that makes things very trick for that group.
However, barring that complication, I think the simplest solution is probably what is true. Razmos exists to capture an HHA member. Timeaisis is an ordinary villager. Razmos knows Darryl has a special role. Hobohodo is the HHA member.
I think Foshy and Kalor's roles are more viable for evidence gathering and speculation. Foshy's chatted with Ouro already, which didn't tell us much, but that's still a pool of two from which there is likely an HHA member. It's a 50/50 chance, but I'm leaning towards Ouro being a much more likely suspect. Like I said, I've had a lot of time to think on this on my 6 hours driving, and Nin seems to just be suffering from foot in mouth syndrome.
As for Kalor, I think it's an interesting set-up to be sure. For one, it could be a commuter. Mazre mentioned that, but it occurred to me as well. It makes sense that the ability wasn't used on the second night, so as to mirror Tucah's role. On the other hand, barring a one time use ability (which, given the balancing that would have to exist, would probably have had a huge visible effect on the game), there's a possibility that the activity Kalor heard on night 1 was the contracted HHA member used for the eviction of Tucah. It makes sense that Kalor, as a town role, would be placed in the range of an HHA member that he could detect. I think we'll for sure know more about this in day 3, so I'm willing to sit on it.
Curiously, if all of these roles are all indeed "traps" for the HHA, then that basically covers 3/4 of the map. That means there would also have to be an HHA member somewhere in the bottom right corner of the map, which has become surprisingly scant as of late... Leaving 21GunShow, Utron, and myself as possible HHA if we're following that train of logic (which is pretty speculative, even among all the other things I've said in this post).
Further speculation: I'm starting to think Ultron has straight out lied about his role. The first thing that jumped out at me was the inconsistency between what his role does and who it is aligned with. However, having that role being town-aligned and the investigator as a two-for-one is kind of ridiculous if the HHA ever do attack the roomies. Again, we go back to square one, with there having to be some kind of protection from HHA for the investigator role because of how big a target it is. That would be that they can't get to the investigator without evicting one of their own, Ultron.
Why and why?
Ok, I know I was the first one to vote for Nin in this round, but barring his suspicious behavior thus far - which can be viewed as him just having a big mouth - there seems to be some serious evidence here in the form of logic traps.
Specifically, I'm talking about the gossips and the light sleeper, Kalor. These roles exist to gather evidence, but it would far too contrived if they were made to gather evidence for HHA. It's possible, yes, but the purpose would be redundant considering the HHA are the ones with their own private line of communication with which they can already gather information that we reveal through discussion and making decisions on that information. Really, it would feel unbalanced as heck. That's not to say that the HHA wouldn't have any special roles, but at the least the gossip feels like a redundant role for HHA. So, to make these roles relevant, it's almost certain that an HHA member resides in each of those ranges. However, I was not aware that the gossip chats opened information up to others that could be chatted with, like Darryl finding out Timeaisis is an ordinary villager; I'm at least 50% certain this could have been used to back francorp's alibi. His reasoning for targeting these two players holds up, but it's pretty weird that he chose two players next to each others - linked by the gossip's private chat. Unfortunately, that makes things very trick for that group.
However, barring that complication, I think the simplest solution is probably what is true. Razmos exists to capture an HHA member. Timeaisis is an ordinary villager. Razmos knows Darryl has a special role. Hobohodo is the HHA member.
I think Foshy and Kalor's roles are more viable for evidence gathering and speculation. Foshy's chatted with Ouro already, which didn't tell us much, but that's still a pool of two from which there is likely an HHA member. It's a 50/50 chance, but I'm leaning towards Ouro being a much more likely suspect. Like I said, I've had a lot of time to think on this on my 6 hours driving, and Nin seems to just be suffering from foot in mouth syndrome.
As for Kalor, I think it's an interesting set-up to be sure. For one, it could be a commuter. Mazre mentioned that, but it occurred to me as well. It makes sense that the ability wasn't used on the second night, so as to mirror Tucah's role. On the other hand, barring a one time use ability (which, given the balancing that would have to exist, would probably have had a huge visible effect on the game), there's a possibility that the activity Kalor heard on night 1 was the contracted HHA member used for the eviction of Tucah. It makes sense that Kalor, as a town role, would be placed in the range of an HHA member that he could detect. I think we'll for sure know more about this in day 3, so I'm willing to sit on it.
Curiously, if all of these roles are all indeed "traps" for the HHA, then that basically covers 3/4 of the map. That means there would also have to be an HHA member somewhere in the bottom right corner of the map, which has become surprisingly scant as of late... Leaving 21GunShow, Utron, and myself as possible HHA if we're following that train of logic (which is pretty speculative, even among all the other things I've said in this post).
Further speculation: I'm starting to think Ultron has straight out lied about his role. The first thing that jumped out at me was the inconsistency between what his role does and who it is aligned with. However, having that role being town-aligned and the investigator as a two-for-one is kind of ridiculous if the HHA ever do attack the roomies. Again, we go back to square one, with there having to be some kind of protection from HHA for the investigator role because of how big a target it is. That would be that they can't get to the investigator without evicting one of their own, Ultron.
Why and why?
EzekelRAGE
Member
I think he wanted Fan to investigate him, so fan can name his role the next day. Fan does bring up a point about a risk with doing it dat way as well. Was gonna mention it but say is post so figured no need to repeat it.
Because and why not? =P
A. Best test of franconp I can come up with currently.
B. Related to A but I really don't want to comment further at this time, may have said to much already.
Also a lot of your arguments in your previous post seem heavily dependent on arguments based in meta-gaming and how you suppose that Kark may have set things up. It's just as likely that he threw in a number of red herrings. Misdirection and uncertainty are huge components of the game.
You can swap my name with any three of us if we go under the assumption that Franconp is HHA. The story holds up all the same, since faith in him is the only variable that is creating "confirmed villagers".
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Oh, I see. Solid strategy.
That's also true. However, Kark express how important the neighbor system is. I think it'll be important to keep these possible structures in mind as we start making headway.
No, its a bad strategy. at this point we need to start getting more information of people we don´t know instead of confirming the ones that claimed. If the people who claimed roles are proven to be wrong later on we have a way to deduce who is who. But we need to get info on the people we know nothing about. What if later on HHA gets the power role that is shielding franconp? Then he would have wasted night 3 on a role that we have a general idea of what it can do.
Investigate someone we know nothing about first.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
I was mostly referring to the second part of his "plan". I agree that testing out fran's ability is by all means a good idea, but it's up to debate as to whether or not it holds precedence over revealing more roles as you said (and which would be the default).
But, Mazre, we can test out fran's role on someone who hasn't roleclaimed or named their role yet and get the same result. The reason why I had reservations on fran investigating you is because I'm more confident that you're innocent (and I get the sense that most people think so anyway), so other than covering your own ass, it doesn't serve much purpose for the greater good.
I propose investigating kingkitty.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Also, I'd have to make a new list, but the amount of players who haven't roleclaimed has dwindled significantly.
Ouro would also be a very good candidate and it would reveal more about the game strategy underneeath the town gossips.
Ouro would also be a very good candidate and it would reveal more about the game strategy underneeath the town gossips.
the star wars thread has lost it's damn mind.
anyways, I'm not totally opposed to Mazre's suggestion. I'm going to read through the last few pages again.
shrug, sure. But whatever role I'm confirmed to be, I rather it not be outed in the thread.
anyways, I'm not totally opposed to Mazre's suggestion. I'm going to read through the last few pages again.
shrug, sure. But whatever role I'm confirmed to be, I rather it not be outed in the thread.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Only the name would have to be confirmed, if you're ok with that.
Still tough to come up with a reasonable candidate for eviction. I started the ball rolling on nin1000 on day 2 but I'm not really all that convinced he is HHA, nor anyone else at this point for that matter, it's unfortunate that we have to remove someone though. I'll give it some more thought between now and tomorrow, reminder we're in the last 48 hours of the phase currently.
Again I do have a strong feeling that there is an HHA in the group that voted no evict day. Potentially narrowed by the subset that voted (even if they eventually changed/rescinded) for Hippie in day 2. Any no votes also raise my suspicions, more so from day 2 than day 1 since we went to deadline on day 2.
If I happened to be picked by the investigator, I rather he just say "yeah he's a townie" and leave it at that.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
The point is to get fran to confirm that his role is what he says it is and he isn't being fed information through Razmos' chats. If you're not ok with that, we'll just ask someone else.
Ouro, where ya at breh
Point taken, it's up to franconp ultimately and I won't take exception to the town choosing to go in another direction. I simply presented the best course I could see.
you are pretty much yelling "hey HHA, kill me!"
if it's me instead of the investigator, I'm fine with that.
Sorry, I'm here. Was just gazing in awe at that spectacular Star Wars thread.
Anyway, if he wants to investigate me, I guess that's fine.
As for my chat with Foshy in the gossip chat, there has literally been zero conversation. I don't really have a way to prove that, but other than initial hellos he's never said a word. I suppose he can confirm if he's ever around
Tangentially related to the game -
I started playing Animal Crossing: New Leaf for the first time over the weekend. Karkador (Rover) showing up at the beginning was one of the most unintentionally horrifying game moments I've ever had. Then I got hit up by the HHA. Kark has done really fantastic job with the theme.
I started playing Animal Crossing: New Leaf for the first time over the weekend. Karkador (Rover) showing up at the beginning was one of the most unintentionally horrifying game moments I've ever had. Then I got hit up by the HHA. Kark has done really fantastic job with the theme.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Just to confirm, you've never stated your role name in the thread thus far?
That Star Wars thread is out of control.
I have not.Just to confirm, you've never stated your role name in the thread thus far?
That Star Wars thread is out of control.
When do we get to play minigames!?
Good point.
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Current Votes for this Round (11 needed for majority)
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nin1000 (5)
LaunchPadMcQ
Kalor
SalvaPot
EzekelRAGE
Haly
freakzilla149 (0)
LunaticLMD <replacing 21GunShow> (1)
Darryl
franconp & ultron87 (0)
Foshy (1)
Razmos
SalvaPot (1)
freakzilla149
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LunaticLMD
Member
Hi, everyone. I'm replacing an inactive and will catch up as soon as possible.
Yep I can confirm, and sorry again bout that. Looking forward to chatting with you next night though and hope we can both gain some more insight about everything that's going on right now. Not gonna invite nin yet because his behaviour seems kinda weird to me.As for my chat with Foshy in the gossip chat, there has literally been zero conversation. I don't really have a way to prove that, but other than initial hellos he's never said a word. I suppose he can confirm if he's ever around
Welcome, Lunatic!
Blargonaut
Banned
RobotNinjaHornets
Banned
Have we all just been distracted by the insanity of the other thread? >_>
I read all your posts as Mabel with space dementia. There's no other way.
I read all your posts as Mabel with space dementia. There's no other way.
I guess so (it is entertaining!). A few others have posted in the catch-all Mafia thread, though.
tomakasatnav
Member
'Ello! Back in good ol' blighty. I'm not one to talk given my low post count, but let's not let those Star Wars guys and their shenanigans have all the fun!
Absolutely need to catch up on things. What do we need for a majority on this vote?
Absolutely need to catch up on things. What do we need for a majority on this vote?
tomakasatnav
Member
Just read, sorry!
Right then,
vote nin1000
Right then,
vote nin1000
I do. While nin1000 is still pretty suspicious to me, I'm combing back through the thread some more before I make a choice.
I would prefer to get freak first and nin later, but either one works for me.
He's on my list too (and so was 21GunShow, for inactivity, but I'd feel really bad voting for someone who just subbed in!). Just weighing the options.
Vote: freakzilla149
So I'm leaning towards nin1000 just panicking. I don't really know whether that means he's HHA or not, but my gut is (at least for now) telling me town.
Freak, on the other hand, has been really on the defense for a while now, including just revenge-voting for Salva on the last page - which while I can understand (Salva did vote for him, but apart from that I don't see anything terribly suspicious), didn't really add anything to the discussion.
He also said this, which is disconcerting.
And while today has been a little bit of evidence of this (I blame Blargonaut), this line of thinking does nothing to further sifting out the HHA. Discussion is our primary source of information in this game, and trying to stifle it by taking your ball and going home isn't the best way to get anywhere.
So I'm leaning towards nin1000 just panicking. I don't really know whether that means he's HHA or not, but my gut is (at least for now) telling me town.
Freak, on the other hand, has been really on the defense for a while now, including just revenge-voting for Salva on the last page - which while I can understand (Salva did vote for him, but apart from that I don't see anything terribly suspicious), didn't really add anything to the discussion.
He also said this, which is disconcerting.
And while today has been a little bit of evidence of this (I blame Blargonaut), this line of thinking does nothing to further sifting out the HHA. Discussion is our primary source of information in this game, and trying to stifle it by taking your ball and going home isn't the best way to get anywhere.
RobotNinjaHornets
Banned
Yeah, screw it
VOTE: freakzilla149
Mainly because I'm still not convinced by nin, that post about days needing to be shorter and just generally not adding much. Shorter days are not the answer to our lack of information, posting more is.
VOTE: freakzilla149
Mainly because I'm still not convinced by nin, that post about days needing to be shorter and just generally not adding much. Shorter days are not the answer to our lack of information, posting more is.
VOTE: freakzilla149
I'm also not convinced that nin is HHA. I made similar mistakes in my first mafia game, and was unfairly accused of being mafia, so I get his frustration.
I don't personally have much suspicion towards freakzilla, but we've gotta evict someone and everyone else seems to think him.
I'm also not convinced that nin is HHA. I made similar mistakes in my first mafia game, and was unfairly accused of being mafia, so I get his frustration.
I don't personally have much suspicion towards freakzilla, but we've gotta evict someone and everyone else seems to think him.
tomakasatnav
Member
Alright, for now:
unvote nin1000
unvote nin1000
EzekelRAGE
Member
As I've stated earlier, Freak is one of the ones I'm willing to evict to see what shakes.
VOTE: Freakzilla149
VOTE: Freakzilla149