Isn't Rei a series of clones made from the salvaged DNA from Yui, but with part of Lillith's soul inside of them or something like that?
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Thoughts on The End of Evangelion?
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Isn't Rei a series of clones made from the salvaged DNA from Yui, but with part of Lillith's soul inside of them or something like that?
Hah thanks
It's a really beautiful set and the box itself is a sight to behold and the whole thing weighs quite a bit! Beautiful artwork on the box, but having a picture of Lilith (GNR) on the front, its NSFW I guess. Same as the artwork on the reverse of the cards in the album I posted.I was going to post in that thread but I guess it was a coincidence that I stumbled upon this thread and thought that it would be a nice place to post it. I own the whole series on Laser Disc too, you just can't beat Laser Disc packaging, especially anime Laser Discs!
So it's a clone with Yui and Lilith's DNA, it's technically half his mom.
John Kowalski
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I'm so fucked up.
Vulcano's assistant
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Tang and Hey Jude
Yes she came from salvaging Yui's body in Unit-01, but she also has a DNA of Lilith, thus being able to become Lilith's vessel. That's where she gets her uniqueness (red eyes, blue hair, pale skin, no inherited personality from Yui).
Besides, if Rei is truly Yui's clone, Gendo wouldn't pushed through with what the hell he was planning in the first place
So you admit that she's not her mom, basically.
I mean, we share part of our DNAs to our parents but we aren't their clones.They don't have sex. IIRC she is on top of him but basically they are clipping through each other, not actually touching, because the third impact has united everybody in the LCL ocean. There are no more AT fields that separate us.
Very true, but Anno went he extra mile with End. It's been a long time since I've seen it, and I admit I'm not really the biggest fan of Evangelion in general, but End seems like a big "screw your expectations" thing to fans; which I like, but can't help but figure was kind of born out of resentment or something.
It's symbolic sex. Not literal.
Closer Two
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I saw it for the first time last week and I can't stop thinking about it. Easily one of my favorite films. I loved how from the get-go you know this film isn't going to pull any punches.
I also find it fascinating that they made a massive money making media franchise out of such a unique and strange show. They used a smiling, clean-shaven picture of Gendo Ikari to sell Schick razors.
I also find it fascinating that they made a massive money making media franchise out of such a unique and strange show. They used a smiling, clean-shaven picture of Gendo Ikari to sell Schick razors.
It is truly bizarre. Admittedly Evangelion starts as a pretty mainstream show for boys but by the end the art house tendencies take hold in a big way.
They have no physical form at that point, her hands literally go through him, he's just LCL. That's kind of the whole point, without a form, he's indistinguishable, and thus has no meaning. He can't be hurt, but he can't be anything...loved, hated, acknowledged, appreciated...existing.
I only see one page mister.
bobbychalkers
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I'm glad I saw it when I was 15 and actively tried to look into its meaning. If I saw it now for the first time at 24 my reaction would be summed up as "ayy lmao!"
Funny how sometimes when we get older we get more immature haha, I guess when you get older you have no time for that shit
Shadowninja100
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It's one of my favorite movies of all time. I can't wait for the HD remaster to come out so that I can actually own a copy of it.
With regards to EoE, I really think it's one of the best anime endings by its sheer insanity and how crazy things went from one scene to another. There's a reason why Evangelion, from its main series to every movies and remakes, has a strong cult following over the years. And EoE adds to a plethora of memorable scenes in the history of the anime.
you know, i'm more curious about your opinion on it.
iRAWRasaurus
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Dont even remember that :/ Guess its been a very long time since I watched it. But I did enjoy the movie and EVA Unit 2 fight with the mass production EVA was awesome.
Reverend Funk
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It terrified me on a cosmic level, I'm way into it.
Dat Mitsuo Iso goodness.
As someone from the outside looking in, but having gleaned a lot about Eva through cultural osmosis, I have to ask what's the appeal of End of Eva? I ask because, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this movie exist just as a "fuck you" from the creator to the audience for not liking the original TV ending? Why would you want to watch that?
Hellsing321
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The greatest thing mankind ever put to film.
That rumour is such bullshit. Anno is clearly trying desperately to express himself with this film, to the point he's pushing past the limits of his talent. It's way too beautiful and sincere to have been made out of spite.
Zeouterlimits
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It both is and isn't very important to me.
It's probably 'THE' movie of my teenage life and I hold it in quite high regard.
It's probably 'THE' movie of my teenage life and I hold it in quite high regard.
Jex
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Well, it's a difficult film to discuss for a number of reasons.
First and foremost, the movie works as a companion piece to the Neon Genesis Evangelion TV series, as well as almost a reaction against the fandom of that series. Therefore it's quite hard to discuss The End of Evangelion without discussing Neon Genesis Evangelion TV and by that point you're basically writing a 5000 word post.
Beyond that, the Evangelion franchise is one of the most discussed and dissected anime ever. There's literally been over a decades worth of commentary on this subject and at that point it is quite hard to anything fresh or interesting to the discussing. I'm hardly a scholar of Evangelion, unlike those folks over at Eva Geeks who have spent an extremely long time analysing everything relating to this series.
Now, leaving my own inadequacies as a commentator aside, I do have some fairly strong opinions on the film. In short, I believe to be a hugely potent and spectacular piece of film making, packed with truly haunting and powerful imagery that still strikes me to this day. All credit goes to Hideki Anno's vision for the piece, as well as to the extremely talented staff who helped to create some of the most legendary sequences within anime (think Asuka vs the Mass Produced Eva units). It's also extremely rich on a thematic level, both when thinking about the film as a finale to the Evangelion story and as a reaction to the fandom that grew as the series aired. This richness, on both a visual and thematic level, truly rewards repeated viewing and analysis of the text.
Its also, undoubtedly, a bit of a messy piece. Almost incomprehensible to those with no knowledge of the TV series (and arguably still a mystery to some familiar with the show), Anno truly sticks to his own unique and powerful vision with all the rewards and flaws this brings to bear.
I think the biggest problem with the critical discourse surrounding the movie, and the show in general, is the idea that its simply a show/movie for teenage viewers. I have no doubt that teenagers will be particularly affected by the work, but by framing everything through that lens people can only see it as juvenile story. In reality, the quality of the combined work (TV series + EoE) far outstrips most works for teenagers both in terms of quality of direction and the richness of the themes discussed.
Same here. Not too many things got into my head and got me lucidly daydreaming about interstellar space and mortality.
Shit was wack.
I came for the amazingly choreographed action, editing, and the musical score. Stayed for the meta nonsense.
I mean it's only a fuck you if you take things personally I guess. In any case, I never saw it that way, its just an amazing film in every sense of the word. And even if it was a personal fuck you delivered straight to myself, that wouldn't stop me from indulging in it at all. I'm not that up my own backside that I would push aside something as masterfully crafted as this for a silly reason like that, you have to separate the politics and such from the work itself sometimes, not to say that the behind the scenes drama doesn't play a role in this series appeal, because it does. But from the stunning soundtrack, the incredible visuals and the unparalleled sense of scale, its just a culmination of great film-work. It's been a while since I watched it (5 years or so?) but it remains my favorite.
Lights and Waves
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Asuka doesn't die though. She's one of only two people that actually survives.
bobbychalkers
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Speaking of Evangelion, Animation Dominaiton posted this earler
https://youtu.be/FckkZihQUaU
https://youtu.be/FckkZihQUaU
MetroidPrimeRib
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Oh and I must agree with the Asuka vs MP Eva fight. It's amazing, probably the best anime fight I've ever seen. Jawdropping and the ending is amazingly haunting.
The part I remember being impressed with the most about that sequence is just how well they animated everything to look like they were actually huge, god-sized brawls with real weight to them. Even shots of Asuka within the entry plug showed how much weight was being thrown around.
This is a good assessment. I always enjoy reading your analysis of anime so sorry for asking your opinion but I am very glad you articulated it.
I agree with your points but the "messy piece" part is sort of what makes the film so interesting I feel. There is an undeniable air of anarchic experimentation that is apparent especially when juxtaposed with the new rebuild films, which feel positively calculated by comparison. Gainax took a "kitchen sink" approach to EoE where as, thus far, Rebuild feels like Khara is simply trying to hit some of the former series' beats while remaining under budget and cost-effective.
Anyways, thanks again!
See Ishida's post below. That's what I'm talking about.
Yep, that's the scene.
It's been over a decade since I've seen it, but I was under the distinct impression that's exactly what she was. I'm not saying a 1:1 as in same exact person clone. But clone as in derived from her genetic material.
Agreed. I was wondering whether the investment into buying/watching 26 episodes of very difficult-to-watch anime +a movie would actually pay off in the end.
The answer was yes. The first time watching it was unlike any other film experience I've ever had.
HomerSimpson-Man
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That's fantastic, lol.
Since this thread so conveniently popped up today (seriously the timing is almost scary)
I have a few questions for people who better understood what was going on than I did. They are about the whole series, not just the movie. Though I haven't watched Rebuild yet, so maybe my questions get answered there. I guess I spoiler tag them just in case.
That's all I can think of for now. Sorry for the massive question dump (probably outs me as a BAKA lol). Some or maybe even many things might have been explained in the series and I just missed them, wasn't the easiest to follow sometimes.
I have a few questions for people who better understood what was going on than I did. They are about the whole series, not just the movie. Though I haven't watched Rebuild yet, so maybe my questions get answered there. I guess I spoiler tag them just in case.
1) Why could only 14yo kids pilot EVAs? Probably related to the second impact somehow that happened shortly before they were born.
2) Why these children? Couldn't they have found someone less....mentally unstable?
3) What exactly happened at the Second Impact? They built EVAs after that, right? How did they capture Adam then? Just with the Lance? Where did they get that from?
4) What was the First Impact?
5) So, the end was basically the Third Impact, right? So, uh, did only Shinji and Asuka survive? Was that a "Death and Rebirth" kinda thing for humanity? Why did Shinji want to kill Asuka in the end? C'mon dude, she's been through a lot.
6) Where did the Angels come from in the first place? I mean, they all come from Lilith, as does humanity, but are the Angels basically aliens? Why were they hostile?
7) What was the deal with Kaworu? He didn't seem as hostile as the others.
8) SEELE was an organization that basically worked towards the third impact the whole time, right? Because they believed humanity was tainted with sin or somesuch?
9) What exactly were Gendo Ikari's motives? I thought he was working against SEELE, but he seemed pretty content with the end.
10) Why did Misato shoot Kaji?
11) It's 2015. Where are mah robots?
2) Why these children? Couldn't they have found someone less....mentally unstable?
3) What exactly happened at the Second Impact? They built EVAs after that, right? How did they capture Adam then? Just with the Lance? Where did they get that from?
4) What was the First Impact?
5) So, the end was basically the Third Impact, right? So, uh, did only Shinji and Asuka survive? Was that a "Death and Rebirth" kinda thing for humanity? Why did Shinji want to kill Asuka in the end? C'mon dude, she's been through a lot.
6) Where did the Angels come from in the first place? I mean, they all come from Lilith, as does humanity, but are the Angels basically aliens? Why were they hostile?
7) What was the deal with Kaworu? He didn't seem as hostile as the others.
8) SEELE was an organization that basically worked towards the third impact the whole time, right? Because they believed humanity was tainted with sin or somesuch?
9) What exactly were Gendo Ikari's motives? I thought he was working against SEELE, but he seemed pretty content with the end.
10) Why did Misato shoot Kaji?
11) It's 2015. Where are mah robots?
That's all I can think of for now. Sorry for the massive question dump (probably outs me as a BAKA lol). Some or maybe even many things might have been explained in the series and I just missed them, wasn't the easiest to follow sometimes.
It's my favorite film of all time and probably always will be. I've actually only watched the series one time, but I've seen the film more times than I can count. We are talking at least once every two weeks. It just amazes me that I can watch it so many times and keep picking up on things I never noticed before. I think the series and the film are both masterpieces.
She's not sitting on his dick, that's just the pose chosen. The point is that she's fused with him there, a visual representation of how everyone is fused in LCL form and indistinct. Hence why her arms are literally a part of him.
Figuring out a lot of this stuff is like putting together a giant puzzle. It would take to long for me to explain the ones that I know the answers to. But I will say this: questions number 1, 2, 3, 6, and 10 all have definite answers. Check out EvaGeeks.org. They do a way better job at explaining this stuff than I could ever hope to do. The rabbit hole for this series goes very very deep and it's not made to be understood in a single viewing.
And also this: by not knowing the answers to numbers 1 and 2, you missed a lot of important plot points.
For example, each Eva contains the soul of the mother of its pilot... and unit 00 is a special case that shares the fractured soul of Lilith with Rei.
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