She taught Africana Studies. This is some Zola level infiltration.
Ain't that some shit. So she tries to be a black woman, but dislikes actual black women because they didn't conform to her view of what a black woman should be.
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NAACP Leader Exposed as White Woman in Blackface
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Ain't that some shit. So she tries to be a black woman, but dislikes actual black women because they didn't conform to her view of what a black woman should be.
vas_a_morir
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If there wasn't a biological component to feelings of a different gender identity, would it then be okay to dismiss/mock them? It's so complicated, I think that's a lazy way to escape difficult ethical questions regarding empathy for another person.
I personally question the authenticity of her transformation into a 'African-American' woman, but I'm also aware that I might be ethically wrong for doing so. It's just complicated.
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Deleted member 231381
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This. This so much.
I had to look up the clip after seeing this pic, I need watch this again soon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9L4UrVm8Cg
freeofgreed
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This whole situation is so absurd, I have no idea what to think about it at this point. Also thank you guys for derailing what was originally a hilarious thread by conflating this woman's nonsense with being transgender.
excelsiorlef
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But this is the first time I've seen it get consideration from people with legit mainstream access to media platforms like Mia Farrow. Thankfully a ton of people are replying to her to say she is wrong.
why would she initially do it then. In your example, we do have people that aren't trans, and represent themselves as women. Drag Queens and Crossdressers exist, and have for a very long time. And im not trying to imply that there is anything wrong with being a drag queen or a crossdresser, but I wouldnt want them to lead a females rights group or teach female studies under false pretenses of who they are.
No one would have batted an eye to her if she was like "Im white, but im a big fan of black culture and want to help further the cause" and hell, I dont think anyone would have a problem if she, as a white women, wouldve led the NAACP branch of Spokane. Good on her then, but this isnt the case. She clearly fetishized a culture (nothing wrong with that, look at how a lot of College aged white Americans Fetishize European culture) and claimed for her own and used that as a way to put herself into those positions.
I would still be friends with a person who had these "problems" iirc and wouldnt be a dick to them, but there comes to a point where this is an issue, and she clearly passed that bar.
Then explain this.
I agree it's more than a social construct. There's no point in trying to elevate one as more biological than the other.
Lil'DigiOp
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I agree of your position as well. I would never invalidate the work she's done with the community, but I do think that she's pushed the boundary. It wasn't really necessary for her behavior to go this far because it acknowledges the fundamentals of the racism, IMO
She felt she wasn't enough being herself to help us fight ignorance and racism. I don't want to put mental help on her but it still says there's a barrier with some people.
uncelestial
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Holy shit, I have always loved that movie and have seen it like a million times but I just now realized the daughter is the little girl from Jurassic Park.
I had to look up the clip after seeing this pic, I need watch this again soon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9L4UrVm8Cg
I've been thinking about this movie ever since Rihanna dropped "Bitch Better Have My Money," for obvious reasons. It's time I watched it again.
What do you mean?
I'm a black albino and personally, I don't think I was ever treated as 'white'. I've never passed as white because I have pretty obvious black features and white, almost transparent eyebrows (a clear sign of albinism). If there's any difference between how I was treated based on my skin color and the average black person, it's that I'm treated as a freak, really.
I also find it weird that black people wouldn't know what a black albino looks like. It's pretty common in the community.
Note: I hope this doesn't come off as combative as this is a pretty heated thread. I figured albinism would come up eventually. I'm just confused about some of the things you said based on my own experiences.
Gender roles are a social construct and rigid binary gender roles are also a social construct, but there are literal mental differences between men and women (mostly related to sexuality)
This isn't up for debate, we know this is the case. Why this is the case, we only somewhat know, but the pudding is right there.
Race is purely the difference between physical changes that each culture has. White and Blacks are different for instance due to skin color, skull structure, and some slight physical differences.
This isn't up for debate, we know this is the case. Why this is the case, we only somewhat know, but the pudding is right there.
Race is purely the difference between physical changes that each culture has. White and Blacks are different for instance due to skin color, skull structure, and some slight physical differences.
Bobby Roberts
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Yeah, but even taking into account the lax attitudes towards actually reading what other people have to say before responding - checking out the last two or three pages of a thread at minimum before wading into the debate isn't all that out of bounds. And it had been brought up multiple times in those pages, as I'd said.
The argument its mostly for the people that need something "solid" in the context of biological changes to be convinced of it, they arent always convinced by the psychiatric diferences because its does not fit in their concept of tangible even tho its how most of the transgender "diagnosis" are done these days. The question you should be asking yourself if its wrong to mock the mentally ill, which this woman probably is.
Cabbagehead
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I thought it was a ridiculous example as well. No one would think a black albino is white because by features alone they are not Caucasian.
Yeh I just noticed that also. And that boy, sure no one would remember this, is from the original Flowers in the Attic movie.
hipbabboom
Huh? What did I say? Did I screw up again? :(
I have yet to make sense of all of this. What's done is done and I'm now trying to just wrap my head around the fantasticalness of it all. There's a straight line to be drawn between her actions and the idea of appropriation of an ethnic group's generalized identity. The "blackface" issue should be determined based on intent but I suspect will be determined by semantics. I reflect on it from the perspective, if she has any empathy and isn't a complete sociopath, of how this would affect her brothers and sister. There are many things wrong here but I'm more concerned by the far reaching implication of false arguments introduced into the topic of race and African-American challenges. I think that there's a lot to be learned here but there's also a lot of straw-man style perspective that I've already witnessed being borne from the whole controversy. If these causes are things she cares about then surely she may be trapped in her own lies however, because its hard to argue how this isn't a selfish act, it becomes hard to fathom as anything but destructive subversive action even with or without intent.
I guess I'll keep watching to see how it turns out. I want to believe her life-style started from a good place and became warped along the way... not to absolve her of responsibility but to at least make some sense of this for myself.
I guess I'll keep watching to see how it turns out. I want to believe her life-style started from a good place and became warped along the way... not to absolve her of responsibility but to at least make some sense of this for myself.
Messofanego
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You guys, what if she was born with the wrong amount of melanin? 
I would not mind if she pretended to be black. I'd think it's a little weird, but hey, whatever, whatever floats your boat
It becomes an issue when you trick people into believing something when you become the leader of the NAACP, or a african studies program, and use that lie to belittle people of your same race constantly and also use that lie to fetishize a culture.
User 73706
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Trying to defend her as "transethnic" and putting her on the same level as transgender individuals is absolutely laughable. The difference is that studies have shown transgender individuals to have neural patterns / activity matching those of the gender they identify as, meaning they are scientifically proven to be an X born in a Y's body. It's basically like trying to equate someone with a gluten allergy to someone who willingly goes vegan.
Cabbagehead
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You guys, what if she was born with the wrong amount of melanin?
Well technical thats a thing per albinos but still lmao.
A majority of the NAACP's founders were white. A ton of their funding comes from foundations and corporations. Race is by no means a qualifier for leadership in that organization.
Killa Sasa
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No regard for human life! </Kevin Harlan>
I always assumed something like this was the case. Isn't it known that male and female brains are physically wired differently? Have people actually found out that transgender people are, for instance, born with a female-wired brain in a male body?
Yes and Yes
Cabbagehead
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A majority of the NAACP's founders were white. A ton of their funding comes from foundations and corporations. Race is by no means a qualifier for leadership in that organization.
talking about now
The Broken Ska Record
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I love this thread.I'm not proud to admit how long I spent doing this.
Black-Wind
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I read this last night and had a good chuckle before bed lol!
As a chocolate man, I ... don't really give a fuck. I see race as a social construct so if someone ones to fuck around with it then so be it. I take it that she's done great things for many people with her political power and her title in the NAACP so why should it matter?
This is life ... the world's full of whacky people. Someone appropriating a different social construct and being a whacky teacher doesn't much bother me.
As a chocolate man, I ... don't really give a fuck. I see race as a social construct so if someone ones to fuck around with it then so be it. I take it that she's done great things for many people with her political power and her title in the NAACP so why should it matter?
This is life ... the world's full of whacky people. Someone appropriating a different social construct and being a whacky teacher doesn't much bother me.
No, Mia. No. I see this shit has already begun. What an interesting next few weeks we have.
I wanna post a pic of Eminem in response to "trans-ethnic" BS but I wont...this thread is going places beyond its original intent and purposes...I rather not deter it anymore than it is
kruis
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Postop transsexuals who pass 100% as female often lie about their past too. Lying about your past life is so much easier than telling the truth and seeing a sudden look of revulsion on your boyfriend's face.
This could be a similar case.
Bobby Roberts
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Because 1) she apparently hasn't actually done anything great with that power and 2) Ends don't justify the means.
There is literally nothing similar to a trans person and a "transethnic" person, can we please stop conflating the two.
Even the label "race" is a social construct vs how it is used in science. There are biological/physical traits that "can" make someone part of a ethnic group (ex: darker skin/higher melanin count), but they are not necessary in all instances (ex: In the US, the "one drop rule" for black classification was used to specify that anyone with a trace of African blood was black. This rule has stuck more or less even now allowing everyone from Obama to Mariah Carey to classify themselves as black, even if they don't share physical characteristics).
Dreams-Visions
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DoktorEvil
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Wait... is race is a sociological construct or is it a biological characteristic?
There are too many posters saying it's one or the other.
There are too many posters saying it's one or the other.
uncelestial
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Ugh. I'm super-liberal but I am pretty closed-minded about that one. It seems like an obvious loophole for people who want to appropriate other cultures, not to mention how that totally negates how experiences living as a person of a particular race shape and inform that person's identity. "I've never lived as someone from that race or dealt with any of their disadvantages, sources of pride, or experienced how that race deals with achieving self-actualization in a society like this one, but... I just kinda feel black."
No, Mia. No. I see this shit has already begun. What an interesting next few weeks we have.
I also think that if you were born rich you can't really be trans-class and "feel poor." You have no idea what that shit is really like. Back off.
Kid Kamikaze10
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It's a sociological construct "informed" by some biological characteristics. So both.
You don't need to conflate 2 entirely different things to generate empathy and garner support. It doesn't promote understanding, it promotes ignorance.
The derail into transgender comparisons is one of the most stupid things I've ever seen on GAF.
Transexuals that lie about things are called liars. She aint black, she is a liar.
Race is societal, ethnicity is biological. This lady is nuts.
I could probably look into this myself. But are the surgeries that effective now where basically the sexual organs are indistinguishable from a cisgendered woman? I still think it's disingenuous to omit information like that from a potential long-term partner. A short term fling is probably a different discussion.
Race is a social construct meant to seprerate biological physical differences between people who grew up in different regions of the world
Race as a means to say that X person in different compared to Y person in a mental capacity is a social construct. Race as a way too say "this person is black do to his skin color" is biology
DeathoftheEndless
Crashing this plane... with no survivors!
Whenever someone does or says some crazy shit, why do we always throw transgendered people under the bus?
Someone suggests peodophilia is a condition we should accept/treat? Well we accept people who identify with a different gender.
Some crazy woman thinks White Chicks was a proof-of-concept? Well we accept people who identify with a different gender.
This rabbit hole...
It's like she's committed to a performance art that would even worry Shia LaBeouf.
Someone suggests peodophilia is a condition we should accept/treat? Well we accept people who identify with a different gender.
Some crazy woman thinks White Chicks was a proof-of-concept? Well we accept people who identify with a different gender.
This rabbit hole...
It's like she's committed to a performance art that would even worry Shia LaBeouf.
excelsiorlef
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And sadly not the stupidest thing I've ever heard personally. Someone I knew once told me to my face that I was lucky to be trans because I could transition and he was jealous because he'll never be a dragon.
That's right I got accused of having trans privilege
Dreams-Visions
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we come in all shades, thank you very much.
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