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[xxracerxx]

It helps protect their invesment so they kind of are. Also glad your hatred for other opinions could help you give more money to the kickstarter.

What do I have to do make you hate me so much that you to donate to a food bank? Perhaps ravage Microsoft for a $40 remake?

Come the fuck on dude.

 

[hawk2025]

Still, the Kickstarter was sold (by Sony themselves) as something they were 'not attached to at all'. Less than 12 hours later, when it hit the target - that's when they suddenly revealed that they were onboard. That's a classic bait and switch. Do most people care? Of course not. They'll keep tossing cash at this thing.

I just think it's kind of a scummy move on Sony's part.

Bait and switch on what?

It's the same fucking product! Only with more money!

 

[mohsinkhan]

It helps protect their invesment so they kind of are. Also glad your hatred for other opinions could help you give more money to the kickstarter.

What do I have to do make you hate me so much that you to donate to a food bank? Perhaps ravage Microsoft for a $40 remake?

I am really confused, can you explain?

 

[LaMeRz]

Come the fuck on dude.

Come at me broseph

 

[xxracerxx]

I'm pulling my money from kick starter and going to preorder the game at gamestop.

Best post, haha

Come at me broseph

You are just taking this shit way out to left field here with talking about him donating to a food bank, like you know what he does with his money outside of the $100 kickstarter pledge.

Rein it in.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

It is interest free until you actually get the game so until then it is an interest free loan. Because other investors or banks would require a return on their money in addition to the principal amount.

The interest of fun and excitement of a new Shenmue game are probably worth it. But monetarily it is an interest free loan.

I've always considered this to not be a great argument against pre-ordering. And I say this as someone who doesn't Kickstart or pre-order anything. My reservations about pre-ordering this far in advance is that I'd personally like to wait and see how development is going and whether or not -- close to release -- this is even something I'm going to want/have time to play at launch. I mean, if something I cared about was on the brink of may-or-may-not-get-funded, I'd probably swallow my pride and back. But if it's something that's getting funded anyway, I'll take a wait-and-see approach.

But the idea that this is thirty dollars that could be working for me over the next several years just seems like a reach. Sure, every dollar counts. But what separates the financial fat cats out there from the rest of the 99 percenters isn't knowing better than to Kickstart vidya games.

 

[Faustek]

2 days ago: "LOL, everyone knows no pub wants to fund another Shenmue game, there's just not enough customers to justify the risk. It's a dead in the water IP people, let it go."

Now: "Did people really think there wasn't a lot of demand for Shenmue 3? It's fucking Shenmue 3! Sony could have easily funded it. Shady and scummy if you ask me."

shh, gentle my dear, be gentle. Do not remind the people or their mode might swing yet again.

 

[boredandlazy]

Heh, alright. The witchhunt has started, so I'm out.

Ya'll enjoy.

Bye.

 

[Littlefang]

If you feel so deceived, stop complaining, retract your donation and move on with life. That simple.

And no, this isn't an 'interest-free' loan. You get a game at the end of that, and for possibly half off what you would normally pay.

But that's just the thing, you aren't guaranteed to get a game at all.

 

[Kazaam]

I do. I think it would have come across as Sony holding a game hostage unless fans pre-ordered or donated (Kickstarter term) unless they community gave up specific amount of money.

Instead they turned it into helping the creator create the game his fans are waiting for and that the community could be part of it.

Edit: Just want to be clear I do not harbor any resentment towards the Shenmue team or its fans. My comments are directed at Sony the corporation.

Hmmm.. I still don't get this. You really think people would not back up Shenmue 3 if on their website they would have a "with the support of Sony"? I just can't see how Sony could be the bad guy in any possible world in the case of Shenmue.
I for one am on the opposite side... Keeping the game hostage? I think this game was trapped under ruins for a long time and I think Sony set it free. I really don't think the kickstarter would've been this successful if it wasn't for Sony and their conference. So for me not only did they help with the revival and pushed into the main light one of the most wanted series by a small minority of very passionate niche gamers, but due to this campaign success, is helping the game reach bigger goals. Those manipulative bastards!!! Now I only hope they would not manipulate the masses into bringing something like System Shock back to life...

 

[border]

2 days ago: "LOL, everyone knows no pub wants to fund another Shenmue game, there's just not enough customers to justify the risk. It's a dead in the water IP people, let it go."

Most of those naysayers were working on the assumption that a Shenmue sequel would need to be completely crowdfunded, and would have a scope equal or greater to its predecessors. This is looking like a relatively small followup with a bunch of Sony money behind it. And at the end of the day they'll probably still lose cash on the project.

 

[CheDominik]

It helps protect their invesment so they kind of are. Also glad your hatred for other opinions could help you give more money to the kickstarter.

What do I have to do make you hate me so much that you to donate to a food bank? Perhaps ravage Microsoft for a $40 remake?

I'm already donating money to the WWF, the Red Cross and a local animal shelter. And if I feel like lighting a cigarette with dollar bills I just do it, thanks for being concerned though.

 

[Curufinwe]

It helps protect their invesment so they kind of are. Also glad your hatred for other opinions could help you give more money to the kickstarter.

What do I have to do make you hate me so much that you to donate to a food bank? Perhaps ravage Microsoft for a $40 remake?

You get extra rewards at $100. You shouldn't be concerned about someone pre-ordering a product.

 

[maquiladora]

So essentially, Sony - a multi-billion dollar corporation - just asked its' own fans for $2 million dollars. Instead of you know, putting up the money themselves.

Shenmue is niche, beloved yes, but still niche IP that nobody has stepped up to help develop over the past 10+ years. Not Sega, not Nintendo, not Microsoft. Probably because it would not make them much of a profit. So why are you upset that Sony aren't committing 100% of the funding, just 70% or 80% or whatever percentage they are? It's more than anyone else has done in trying to bring this game to life.
As for the $2+ million, the people who pledged that did so in exchange for the finished game, they won't be buying the retail game when it launches. Everyone getting the $29 version now is one less $60 customer in 2017. So let's not pretend that is anything great for Sony.
When all is said and done they will probably end up with a small profit or just a breakeven. The spin that this is some kind of evil corporate scam to screw people over and make a fortune in the process is dumb as hell.

 

[Ghost Slayer]

2 days ago: "LOL, everyone knows no pub wants to fund another Shenmue game, there's just not enough customers to justify the risk. It's a dead in the water IP people, let it go."

Now: "Did people really think there wasn't a lot of demand for Shenmue 3? It's fucking Shenmue 3! Sony could have easily funded it. Shady and scummy if you ask me."

Sony hating force is real.

 

[Krejlooc]

2 days ago: "LOL, everyone knows no pub wants to fund another Shenmue game, there's just not enough customers to justify the risk. It's a dead in the water IP people, let it go."

Now: "Did people really think there wasn't a lot of demand for Shenmue 3? It's fucking Shenmue 3! Sony could have easily funded it. Shady and scummy if you ask me."

yup. Without a hint of irony.

 

[KingJ2002]

Sounds like good news to me... looks like i will get a complete experience with Sony helping.

 

[LaMeRz]

Hmmm.. I still don't get this. You really think people would not back up Shenmue 3 if on their website they would have a "with the support of Sony"? I just can't see how Sony could be the bad guy in any possible world in the case of Shenmue.
I for one am on the opposite side... Keeping the game hostage? I think this game was trapped under ruins for a long time and I think Sony set it free. I really don't think the kickstarter would've been this successful if it wasn't for Sony and their conference. So for me not only did they help with the revival and pushed into the main light one of the most wanted series by a small minority of very passionate niche gamers, but due to this campaign success, is helping the game reach bigger goals. Those manipulative bastards!!! Now I only hope they would not manipulate the masses into bringing something like System Shock back to life...

I think people would have looked at Sony differently if they had put their name on the Kickstarter. I have no clue whether it would have gotten funded or not (although I think it would have gotten funded no matter who's name was on it).

You have to admit that it would have looked real weird if Sony was asking gamers to pony up pre-development in order to make a game.

 

[Curufinwe]

It is interest free until you actually get the game so until then it is an interest free loan. Because other investors or banks would require a return on their money in addition to the principal amount.

The interest of fun and excitement of a new Shenmue game are probably worth it. But monetarily it is an interest free loan.

Most of the people preordering wouldn't earn enough interest to even cover inflation over two years.

I have a Savings account with a $10K minimum balance. The interest rate is 0.4%.

 

[Lion Heart]

I'd like to thank Sony for getting this game made, thanks Sony.

The bitter tears really improved my day.

 

[hawk2025]

I think people would have looked at Sony differently if they had put their name on the Kickstarter. I have no clue whether it would have gotten funded or not (although I think it would have gotten funded no matter who's name was on it).

You have to admit that it would have looked real weird if Sony was asking gamers to pony up pre-development in order to make a game.

Your whole argument is predicated on people having this perspective after they found it was Sony, it was Sony all along.


...but I keep seeing the number of backers ticking up, not down.

 

[TheFatOne]

2 days ago: "LOL, everyone knows no pub wants to fund another Shenmue game, there's just not enough customers to justify the risk. It's a dead in the water IP people, let it go."

Now: "Did people really think there wasn't a lot of demand for Shenmue 3? It's fucking Shenmue 3! Sony could have easily funded it. Shady and scummy if you ask me."

This right here. As a fan of the series that dreamed of this day this was one of the most common things people would say about the franchise. Some people even doubted the kickstarter would get the 2 million by 31 days.

 

[EatinOlives]

2 days ago: "LOL, everyone knows no pub wants to fund another Shenmue game, there's just not enough customers to justify the risk. It's a dead in the water IP people, let it go."

Now: "Did people really think there wasn't a lot of demand for Shenmue 3? It's fucking Shenmue 3! Sony could have easily funded it. Shady and scummy if you ask me."

Exactly. People are quick to forget that Shenmue II bombed hard. It's the reason why no publisher would touch it for 15 years.

People are TRULY surprised that Sony wanted to gauge interest? Or is it just ignored to push a narrative?

 

[TalonJH]

Think long term instead of short term.

It doesn't matter if Sony is a company so big we could trust them to be less likely to not cancel development midway through. All that matters is that governments are creating an environment were money can be potentially wasted on failed projects with most of the penalty applying to those who donated. All of the biggest publishers have cancelled projects in the past. The PR risk makes this less likely but they shouldn't be able to feel like they can legally get away with this.

On top of that people who start crowdfunding are more likely to funding smaller projects and is with them were the risk of failed projects without recourse is much higher.

To be fair, that's how most investing works. I invested in a friend's dev studio and it tanked. I don't get my money back. That's why Investors are scared of risk.

 

[maquiladora]

$2.8 million now

 

[Flying Toaster]

Your whole argument is predicated on people having this perspective after they found it was Sony, it was Sony all along.


...but I keep seeing the number of backers ticking up, not down.

Actually it was this guy all along:

 

[Ghost Slayer]

I'd like to thank Sony for getting this game made, thanks Sony.

The bitter tears really improved my day.

Now i wonder if Nintendo or MS are the ones who did this, would people shit on them?

 

[GANGSTERKILLER]

https://youtu.be/Lk3lQRmIkoM

 

[LaMeRz]

You get extra rewards at $100. You shouldn't be concerned about someone pre-ordering a product.

Doesn't GAF always have threads about how pre-orders are bad and that we should wait until the game comes out and works? That way we don't promote reward that put out unfinished game? That may be reddit

 

[RichiRamjag]

Honestly, I am actually quite surprised that gamers actually want Shenmue 3 in huge demand.

Shenmue 1 did just over a million sales, right? Shenmue 2 did probably what.. 1/3rd of that?

Part of the reason we didn't have Shenmue 3 already was because nobody bought 2. I'm the only person I personally know who even played the game.

..and no offense, if you didn't play Shenmue when it came out.. I'm not sure how a gamer new to the series would probably even enjoy the game all that much. It's pretty dated by todays standards.

I just would feel better about the KS if they were upfront about the funding.

It's not even 24 hours and they've told us the deal. It's pretty upfront even for those too daft to realize it from the start.

 

[Flying Toaster]

Doesn't GAF always have threads about how pre-orders are bad and that we should wait until the game comes out and works? That way we don't promote reward that put out unfinished game? That may be reddit

You should have a tag "Fighting the good fight to keep people hating Shenue 3 funding".

 

[deltacanuckian]

2 days ago: "LOL, everyone knows no pub wants to fund another Shenmue game, there's just not enough customers to justify the risk. It's a dead in the water IP people, let it go."

Now: "Did people really think there wasn't a lot of demand for Shenmue 3? It's fucking Shenmue 3! Sony could have easily funded it. Shady and scummy if you ask me."

There's the Call of Duty cycle, but do we have the GAF cycle?

Endlessly beg for a game, complain about how we're getting the game, game releases and it's the best game ever for a month, slowly but surely it's actually an overrated turd, and then the begging for the sequel begins?

Some people always have to find something to get upset about, they can't survive without it.

 

[xxracerxx]

Doesn't GAF always have threads about how pre-orders are bad and that we should wait until the game comes out and works? That way we don't promote reward that put out unfinished game? That may be reddit

GAF is not a hive mind.

 

[Kazaam]

I think people would have looked at Sony differently if they had put their name on the Kickstarter. I have no clue whether it would have gotten funded or not (although I think it would have gotten funded no matter who's name was on it).

You have to admit that it would have looked real weird if Sony was asking gamers to pony up pre-development in order to make a game.

It's not their game. They are not asking you for money so they can make a game. They are not asking you to kickstart a new Uncharted or Last of Us.
The Shenmue team is asking you for money so they can make a game. Sony is just amazing enough to support that project if the game is backed by the fans. (And if you do want to consider the kickstarter a loan, considering it a loan to Sony is wrong, it's a loan to YsNet and the Shenmue Crew).

 

[LaMeRz]

Your whole argument is predicated on people having this perspective after they found it was Sony, it was Sony all along.


...but I keep seeing the number of backers ticking up, not down.

I agree. It was Sony all along. But they came out and said they were not involved when clearly you and I can see (or at least believe) Sony had an interest the whole time.

Shenmue fans are obviously passionate and want to complete the series. Glad they have their game coming.

 

[LeonSPBR]

2 days ago: "LOL, everyone knows no pub wants to fund another Shenmue game, there's just not enough customers to justify the risk. It's a dead in the water IP people, let it go."

Now: "Did people really think there wasn't a lot of demand for Shenmue 3? It's fucking Shenmue 3! Sony could have easily funded it. Shady and scummy if you ask me."

GAF in a nutshell.

 

[border]

People are TRULY surprised that Sony wanted to gauge interest? Or is it just ignored to push a narrative?

Surely Sony thought that they could sell more than 66K copies of this game (the amount that would have been necessary to meet funding goals), otherwise they wouldn't have given Suzuki the time of day.

I actually not sure if Kickstarter is a good way to gauge interest beyond the grassroots, hardcore fans -- particularly when it's in kind of an oddball genre like this one where you can't look at the sales of similar games.

Okay, so 35K people want to buy Shenmue and put down money for it today. How many people will buy it when it releases? How much of a budget should it have? How much should be spent on marketing? Nobody really knows how far the market goes beyond this wave of Kickstarter backers.

 

[Snaku]

Seems appropriate that Sony should foot the bill for Shenmue III when it was their PS2 hype machine that cut the Dreamcast off at the knees. They owe Sega and Shenmue fans at least this much.

 

[Hatty]

Now i wonder if Nintendo or MS are the ones who did this, would people shit on them?

Yes
Look at Bayonetta 2 and Rise of the Tomb Raider

 

[LaMeRz]

It's not their game. They are not asking you for money so they can make a game. They are not asking you to kickstart a new Uncharted or Last of Us.
The Shenmue team is asking you for money so they can make a game. Sony is just amazing enough to support that project if the game is backed by the fans. (And if you do want to consider the kickstarter a loan, considering it a loan to Sony is wrong, it's a loan to YsNet and the Shenmue Crew).

Sony doesn't own the IP, but they sure do own a lot more of the revenue now so it is partly their project.

If Sony was really amazing they would have gotten the fans to fund the whole game. That would have been amazing.

 

[celsowmbr]

2 days ago: "LOL, everyone knows no pub wants to fund another Shenmue game, there's just not enough customers to justify the risk. It's a dead in the water IP people, let it go."

Now: "Did people really think there wasn't a lot of demand for Shenmue 3? It's fucking Shenmue 3! Sony could have easily funded it. Shady and scummy if you ask me."

 

[Kazaam]

Sony doesn't own the IP, but they sure do own a lot more of the revenue now so it is partly their project.

If Sony was really amazing they would have gotten the fans to fund the whole game. That would have been amazing.

So you would prefer the game to be made only with the kickstarter money?

 

[Xpliskin]

Gaf in a nutshell.

It's only a group of 20 people calling outrage with no clue about investment tactics and financials, vs the millions of fans this revival will gather.

 

[boredandlazy]

Yes
Look at Bayonetta 2 and Rise of the Tomb Raider

One of these things is not like the other, one of these things just isn't the same...

Hint:

Spoiler

It's Tomb Raider.

 

[LaMeRz]

So you would prefer the game to be made only with the kickstarter money?

That would be pretty neat if it was.

But I just said it would have been amazing if Sony could have made that happen.

 

[quesalupa]

I can see why some people don't like this approach. At the same time, if you donated $30, you are getting the game. It's not like you gotta Kickstart and buy the game, so I'm not too mad.

 

[Hatty]

One of these things is not like the other, one of these things just isn't the same...

Hint:

Spoiler

It's Tomb Raider.

Well I had trouble thinking of a Microsoft example

 

[Ragnarok]

2 days ago: "LOL, everyone knows no pub wants to fund another Shenmue game, there's just not enough customers to justify the risk. It's a dead in the water IP people, let it go."

Now: "Did people really think there wasn't a lot of demand for Shenmue 3? It's fucking Shenmue 3! Sony could have easily funded it. Shady and scummy if you ask me."

So, so accurate. It's ridiculous. I'm just happy to be getting the fucking game.

 

[boredandlazy]

Well I had trouble thinking of a Microsoft example

Dead Rising 3?

 

[LaMeRz]

One of these things is not like the other, one of these things just isn't the same...

Hint:

Spoiler

It's Tomb Raider.

A Challenger Appears...SFV