Prime crotch
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Doubt it, the kickstarter was to assure initial founding to make the project viable for Sony and the other investors, there's more than one horse on the race.
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Sony is officially helping with funding and development with Shenmue 3
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Theonik
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1. Probably not. If people can't even put $2m the project is dead.
2. Wot
3. No publisher is touching something with this backlash.
4. No
5. Probably not.
FiveMinuteHero
Member
I agree. I suspect the same people that before said Shenmue 3 will never be made are the same that are trying to ruin the party now. Especially those starting their comments with "I never played Shenmue but I will not fund this because blah blah".
Dreamgazer
Member
I'm just trying to understand the logic to some of these "opposition" posts.
No it didn't
Shenmue was originally conceived as 16 chapters. Suzuki has fully written the first 11.
There are also assets left over from the early 00s (preliminary Shenmue III work), which Suzuki said in 2012 that he would have access to if he got the go-ahead to make the game.
No.1 is unsure.
No.3-4-5 probably wont happen if it fail to reach 2mil kickstarter.
Now for no.2, why it is important.
1. It can give YS.Net huge start up money to start the project.
2. It shows the strong support from the community of "Wanting" this game.
3. Possible the more funding they get the more content the game get.
This whole situation can be,
YS.Net saw the strong success of Bloodstained.
They pitch Sony, for this deal/contract.
If they reach 2mil, please help funding them and advertise.
Sony saw potential of this deal and agree to it.
Otherwise this game is dead forever.
Deal begins, KS starts, and Succeeded.
Sony begin funding.
There are alot of maybe and questions. But ultimately we get a 14years old dead franchise which nobody want to touch except Sony.
read what i said. the additional funding is not any of our concern. the kickstarter money is between backers and ys.net alone. sony won't see a penny of it.
nobody ever thought the 2 million would fund the game alone. shenmue 3 is ys.net's project through and through.
sony are the only ones who were willing to do this, but if these are the terms so be it.
why even ask "what if it wasn't shenmue 3"? it is, so get over it. these are exceptional circumstances for an exceptional game.
Hard to say. How many people will be working on the project?
Ok, for example, 50 people (and that actually is a pretty small team for that of kind game). And let's assume it would take 2 years to develop the game. Plus marketing costs and other expenses. So the budget will be around 15 million, at minimum. If team are bigger then budget will be bigger too.
FiveMinuteHero
Member
I am not opposing anything, in fact I hope that the game is made and turns out to be a huge success
This is probably like the Bloodstained (and some other) Kickstarters.
The publisher will back the game if the game can reach a certain sum on Kickstarter. They're basically gauging people's interest.
The expected release date is December 2017. So let's call it $22 million.
Callibretto
Member
There's interview talking about how it started. It's from that #building the list twitter campaign Sony had with Gio Corsi. Shenmue end up being one of the most requested game from the campaign which lead Sony to start talking to Yu Suzuki at GDC 2014.
amstradcpc
Member
Bad news, with whatever amount of money you have in your bank account there is someone somewhere funding something that you don´t know.
Dreamgazer
Member
I am not opposing anything, in fact I hope that the game is made and turns out to be a huge success
I don't mean you. That is my poor attempt to mock the people who are against this kick starter cause they think it'll be made anyway.
Since that failed miserably, it means I should sleep.
In this case I am. I'll judge future instances of this on their own merits.
I really didn't know Ys Net was such a big company full of money
amstradcpc
Member
Nothing.Rien.Nada.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
You know if you really wanted this game you'd just be grateful and buy a PS4 to say thanks to Sony for making it happen instead of insulting them because the people behind your console of choice didn't do it.
You can't say Sony has done this to get sales because really? I doubt it's gonna be a blockbuster.
You can't say Sony has done this to get sales because really? I doubt it's gonna be a blockbuster.
littletran22
Member
That's right. You people can complain all you want but what is FACT is that Shenmue 3 is now a very high possibility with sony funding now. All this and knowing that Shenmue fans have contributed towards the very idea that this game can exist. Whether or not the handling of KS is unfair or not, WE USED OUR MONEY TO MAKE OUR DREAM COME TRUE.
panda-zebra
Member
Given your post history, your minimal input to topics concerning Sony/ps4 bar those with some level of controversy (opposed to your more enthusiastic posting in topics concerning ms/xbox one/dx12/etc), and the fact that it seems you don't even own a ps4 (feel free to add me on psn to prove otherwise), forgive me if I find your concern for the issues presented in this thread somewhat less than 100% genuine. Making such posts is really not my kind of thing, and I should think better of it and look the other way... but not now, not with this.
This way it's more transparent. Not completely but this gives room to whoever doesn't feel comfortable with this deal to not pledge in the Kickstarter. The only argument against this deal that could be made from this point is: "but others are pledging and making this possible". And that's somewhat understandable, not in the "stop enjoying what I don't enjoy" but in the sense/worry that this kind of deal if successful might become a norm. That's impossible. It will never become the norm. This only can be made possible in very specific scenarios where a very militant following, the original creator (s) and a solid/trustworthy plan are in place. This is just the perfect storm of Kickstarters.
From Wikipedia:
"Yu Suzuki initially stated the production budget was $70 million[4] (equivalent to $99 million in 2015) but later stated it cost $47 million[5] (equivalent to $67 million in 2015)."
If it's wrong then tell me how much did it cost?
The additional funding is sony's concern though, do you really expect sony to give money for free?
And stop being selfish justifying everything just because you want Shenmue 3 and try to be neutral and think about what this method implies for the future. There's no exceptional circumstances, once done everyone could do the same.
Meh, there are big companies full of money funding wars with people's money.
Blood for the blood god, blood diamonds for the ignorant people.
Making a game is marginal in the grand scale of things.
shadowsdarknes
Member
That 3 million in kick starter should be used to make sure Shenmue 3 also includes Shenmue 1 and 2 on disc, too!
And if people don't like it they can just not pay for it.
We like the idea of paying for Shenmue III, and some guys are just poo-pooing all over it.
That's not "shenmue I alone"
Thats the entire cost of project berkley. That is saturn shenmue I, saturn shenmue ii, dreamcast shenmue I, dreamcast shenmue ii, plus the creation of two engines and two entire tool sets for two different consoles, plus marketing.
You knowx the exact opposite of "shenmue I alone."
That 4 full games, 2 engines, and 2 toolsets cost $50 million in 1999 is hardly surprising.
Felessan
Member
And I want more transparency from public companies, especially in "insider info" part. But it is illegal. There are usually a number of reasons why to keep some things obscure - there some contractual things, there are public image etc.
I doubt that reaction would be better if Sony instead of "Here is Yu Suzuki, he want to say something about his kickstarter campaign" would clearly admit - "there possibility for Shenmue3, but we will throw it in a trash bin if you would not give us 2 million$ right now". Second one is honest, yes, but it sounds rude and blackmail-like.
It was necessary. Because Sony is not really non-profit organization those purpose to please every person on planet. They need to know that there is demand and there will be some profit (or at least size of monetary loss will be justified with reputation gain). Even if they do market research - it requires time, money and people and thus it's an opportunity cost, this resources might be spent on other (internally developed) titles or they could go to investigate current situation with Shenmue. And as a result even market researh could take a consideravle amount of time for Shenmue.
"Most requested" means little, until your vote with your wallet, it's mostly an opinion on very vocal, but *quite small* group of people.
There is a part about it in interview with Adam Boyes - it could take them *several years* just to get an approval of funds allocation. Or they could do a kickstarter and speedup process considerably.
What are you people talking about?! How did we get to this point?!
Maybe my sarcasm detector is broken, but in the case is not... yeah let's accept all those unacceptable things because Shenmue 3 is being done!
Why would you care? That other people's money, not yours. Nobody force you spend your money. You can always buy the game later, after it's officially released, so you have a choice.
And, of course, it's unacceptable because you say so.
You keep rhetorically asking if people would be ok with this if it "wasn't shenmue" but seem to be ignoring when people reply that they would.
amstradcpc
Member
Welcome to reality guy. People seeks money to make more money. People spend money to satisfy their needs (meat,groceries,sugar,salt...) and after that to be happy (hobbys like gaming, sport cars...). It´s the wheel of capitalism (and the Maslow piramid).
HORRORSHØW
Member
are we still angry?
sechsterangriff
Member
That number includes both games and the work already done on the Saturn before the transition to the Dreamcast. All this in a time they when had to develop their own tools and technology because there was simply nothing like it.
In this day and age with mature development tools and game engines such as Unreal, Unity, the costs wouldn't be anywhere near the same.
What this method implies for the future is that niche dead IPs that publishers won't touch with a ten foot pole for over a decade will now have actually have a chance to being revived. Not spiritual sequels, but the actual original IP.
Prime crotch
Banned
If people back away from the KS maybe so will the investors
stop being selfish? this is only video games. stop treating it like a life or death situation.
any money i've given to kickstarter is between me and ys.net, the additional funding STILL isn't any of our concern despite your whining about it. if sony is going to support the game after the kickstarter, so be it. they aren't running the kickstarter and they aren't receiving any of the money.
shenmue 3 is a very unique case and you're blind if you can't see that.
What is your source? Because wiki only talks about Shenmue 1, and even if you were right:
1)50/4 = 12.5 millions a game, more than 6 times the kickstarter request
2)porting is not as expensive as the creation of a game, so even counting 10 millions for the 2 ports(and it's a great exaggeration) 40 millions for 2 games means 20 millions for a single game, 10 times the kickstarter request.
shadowsdarknes
Member
Sony has said that most of their games lose money. But the ones that do make money happen to do well enough to generate a net profit.
Shenmue is undoubtedly a risky venture.
Its highly requested, but its hard to gauge actual demand vs. a potential vocal minority on the internet.
Sony is not going to be willing to fund a sequel to a relatively obscure and high budget game without some real evidence that the game was worth it.
Shenmue is undoubtedly a risky venture.
Its highly requested, but its hard to gauge actual demand vs. a potential vocal minority on the internet.
Sony is not going to be willing to fund a sequel to a relatively obscure and high budget game without some real evidence that the game was worth it.
FiveMinuteHero
Member
Has anyone representing Sony said, directly, that they will be shelling out money money directly for the game to happen? Or they are going to help out with other things, such as marketing (which would cost money anyway)?
People won't back away from the KS. This is unstoppable at this moment. Individual cancellations from a few won't change that.
Prime crotch
Banned
I'm answering to the hypothesis that people could all backaway and the game would still be funded
Well you certainly sound like an expert, feel free to tell yu suzuki that he was wrong and that moving shenmue to the dreamcast was simple.
This all comes from the post mortem, btw.
I have a feeling that even if everyone does this, people would mostly be okay with it. Most people just want to play games they like. They're willing to shell out money for the games they want. Some are willing to pay more than others. It's a free market. No one is being forced to Kickstart anything. Kickstarting something is not the only way to get a product. Those who aren't interested in contributing can sit it out and buy it when it is eventually released. Those not confident in the product can wait for reviews. If people are happy to blindly throw their money at something because they really want the concept to be made, that's their business. It's their money.
ISee
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adam boyes has. i am on mobile atm, so i am not able to search for the link, but it was a gamespot interview on YT.
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