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Iwata tweets about the Digital Event reactions.
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Mama Robotnik
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Brilliant! Haha!
Probably in the next Direct. That stuff doesn't really fit an E3 presentation.
It sounds like you want them to conform. Release similar hardware at a similar time.
I don't mean that strategy is necessarily bad, but it's unfortunate that non-conformity is so harshly punished in this market.
You do realize that one of the main public complaints of the Wii U is its power, right? Public perception is important, and if Nintendo decides to just do a hybrid similar to your description, even more people will write Nintendo off as being incompetent.
That's not to mention that Nintendo will most likely not sacrifice revenue from one of their systems. Why would they do that? The Wii U makes them money. Sure, it'll be a more unified ecosystem in terms of development and content compared to what we have now, but I don't think unification to Nintendo means ditching a potential source of revenue for the company. That would be a lot of lost potential.
EDIT: Another reason why I don't think your vision will be realized by Nintendo is the company's philosphy regarding game design. They have not put a mainline Pokemon on the big screen for a reason. Nintendo believes that the handheld gaming experience is different from the console gaming experience, and to just play handheld games on the big screen, or console games on a handheld would go against the company's vision. This kind of logic is exactly what Sony tried to push with the Vita, and look how that ended up. I still believe that whatever happens, Nintendo will continue to make handheld games that are more suited for the handheld, and console games that are suited for consoles. Of course, this is ignoring mobile games, which can generally go either way due to simplicity.
Dynasty8
Member
After the last few years with Nintendo and this last E3, I am VERY skeptical of NX.
They (Nintendo) are just transforming into something else.
Dr. Black Jack
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Doc Holliday
SPOILER: Columbus finds America
Nintendo needs to get new hardware out fast and it needs to be more powerful than current hardware. PS4 is going to be around for a looong time because of the success and how long games take to develop now. Xbox one, im not sure, but nintendo can't afford to wait till 2018.
Louis Cyphre
Banned
They have two legitimate choices. One is they strike gold again like they did with the Wii. Something that differentiates itself from the others that's appealing. What that is I have no idea as we head into virtual reality and augmented reality. The second choice is to do just maintain status quo and remain profitable by making affordable hardware and exclusive games you can't get anywhere else. It makes no sense for then to compete on a hardware level and they will never be the leader again in third party support. They can win back some support if they can get the masses back with some gimmick but even then they will be reluctant to make unique games for it.
Nintendo is too old to change and they think history will keep them going. Perhaps they should go back to their grass roots. Come out with a system that doesn't even connect to the Internet and use some proprietary format for games.
TheSlySoul
Member
Ha ha, brilliant!
MEsoJD
Banned
Yet again people are going to fall for it and invest in a console with little life while PS4 and Xbox 1 will still be kicking. Its a shame...
Dynasty8
Member
Yeah, but PS4 and XB1 won't have Metroid, Zelda, or Mario. To many, this is the reasoning behind buying a Nintendo console. Any third party collaborations are a plus. Unfortunately for Nintendo, if it does nothing to cater to third parties, this customer-base will remain relatively small. Also, how well a console is doing is not a good reflection of how good of an investment it is for a potential buyer. Got a Wii U last year and haven't regretted it. Oh, and the PS4 and XB1 are definitely kicking it. Calling it an investment, while true, is a bit weird.
Praying for one in the next couple of weeks as an apology
I think Nintendo are done with competing with Sony and MS.
I see the big push for third party support being aimed at the Japanese developers without a significant western fanbase(3DS/Vita devs) and more importantly mobile developers.
We've already kind of seen it in Japan with Puzzle & Dragons, Battle Cats and Monster Strike.
I think that's plan, whether it works is another matter.
To be fair, the Wii U really hasn't had Metroid or Zelda yet either. And it had TOO MUCH of Mario.
My gut says the NX (well a console version)will be slightly more powerful than the Wii U (akin to the gap betwen GC and Wii), minus the gamepad..and maybe minus the disc drive. Selling at a budget price.
NX still wouldn't get the majority of PS4/XBONE games even it was twice as powerful as them and half the price.
Yeah, but that still doesn't invalidate the rest of my post.
That's fine, but that's not why people buy consoles. But to play with that idea, Nintendo will have made a console, which has been on the brink of dying since release, last four years if its replacement will release in 2016. The company has so far shown that it is willing to support its system for the buyers even if its sales are absolutely terrible. Not only that, they supported that system with very high quality software. I don't think that fear of longevity is a well-founded argument for not buying a Nintendo console.
My question about NX, assuming it's like Apple/iOS hardware wise, is how often they bring out upgraded versions of hardware. A long time ago they talked about speeding up how often they brought out new hardware, and I'm wondering how if they go down that route how that puts them in-line or pass the other two, assuming they start anywhere near that.
And just a random note about collabs from Nintendo: I like the idea of them doing collabs with third parties, BUT it's not leading to any longterm gains in terms of extra games coming from those devs/pubs. It's all short term oriented, and I don't think that's a sustainable model for them unless they get more out of it. Plus they need to expand it out west, but they don't seem to keen on western development/oriented titles.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
lol
outunderthestars
Banned
I see your video and raise this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGu3Xe1uUUg
now that is a disliked video.
gimmmick
Member
That is fucking awesome.
If they released another weak console they will lose me, I don't want ultra powerful but not a huge gap like wii/ps3 wiiu/ps4 where the developer would have to make a new game if they want to port their game to a nintendo console.
Dynasty8
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I know I'll be missing out on playing games like Mario, Zelda, and Metroid by not buying the next Nintendo hardware....but at this time, I'm ready to throw in the towel.
I just don't think it's worth spending $300 just for 3 or 4 games I'm interested in anymore. This has been the case for both the Wii and the Wii U.
outunderthestars
Banned
Nintendo has no problem selling consoles to the 5-10 million diehard Nintendo fans. It struggles to find a way to reach a larger audience and attract third party development.
I don't know, but when they announced their E3 plans for this year I thought it was pretty clear they would only give some details regarding their 2015 and early 2016 line-up. Combined with the "NX news in 2016" comments I thought they made it pretty clear that 2015 is going to be one of those "content light" years. I mean, that's the way how I saw it.
I went in with zero expectations for significant reveals, but it only sucks for a few minutes to see those fears come true.
I gotta say, all this talk about the NX is really disappointing me.
I look at my WiiU and every couple months I think: "Why did I buy this thing?"
Yes I have Bayonetta and Bayonetta 2, Wonderful 101. All other games are multiplayer experiences that I have no interest in. I'd prefer more single player engrossing experiences which this console is severely lacking in.
I broke my gamepad Screen and it costs 130$ CAD to repair. I'm struggling to find reasons to put more money into this console for what few games they have in the library. Knowing that they're already putting this console bed really shakes my judgement in their future products.
For informational and demographic purposes:
-I bought the Windwaker HD LE WiiU
-Haven't even played WW on it yet, just no interest since I've played it to death on GC.
-Own ZombiiU, havent played it
-Own Pushmo, Mighty Switch Force 1 and 2 (Beat them all)
-Own Mario Kart, next to barely play it.
-Rayman Origins got very uninteresting after a month
I look at my WiiU and every couple months I think: "Why did I buy this thing?"
Yes I have Bayonetta and Bayonetta 2, Wonderful 101. All other games are multiplayer experiences that I have no interest in. I'd prefer more single player engrossing experiences which this console is severely lacking in.
I broke my gamepad Screen and it costs 130$ CAD to repair. I'm struggling to find reasons to put more money into this console for what few games they have in the library. Knowing that they're already putting this console bed really shakes my judgement in their future products.
For informational and demographic purposes:
-I bought the Windwaker HD LE WiiU
-Haven't even played WW on it yet, just no interest since I've played it to death on GC.
-Own ZombiiU, havent played it
-Own Pushmo, Mighty Switch Force 1 and 2 (Beat them all)
-Own Mario Kart, next to barely play it.
-Rayman Origins got very uninteresting after a month
Right, which is why I'm interested in what the company is willing to do in order to cater to those third parties. We have seen public complaints from the developers themselves that the console is too weak, too different, and that the audience is vastly different from the audience of the PS4/XB1. All are valid complaints. Power aside, I want to see what Nintendo will do to change its public perception in the market--if they even care about that.
Yikes
I'm wondering if the NX might be something like NEC did with TurboGrafx 16. They had the console and also that companion portable device and both systems played the games that were on those flexible cards. But the console could also play CD based games. Could the NX be something like that maybe?
Wandering Robot
Member
Hilarious/10 😂
I'm not even going to try answering what Nintendo needs to get in gear because there's so much thrown out of whack now. Take the "generation" difference of the NX being released within the next 1-2 years as compared to the HD Bros. Do they match hardware power? Surpass it? What do they do when the other consoles move on? Where will their market be, in terms of taste? I'm problay missing something there, but there are sooooo many factors going into making the hardware leap. It's a mess.
Is our goal trying to save nintendo from going under or to win the console race over Sony and Microsoft?
Lets say thrid parties are on board and they magically got COD, Asscreed, Destiny etc. Would a Nintendo console look more appetizing?
Agent Gibbs
Member
2017/2018? good lord no
E3 next year nintendo need to do an apple! "here is the NX more powerful than PS4, its controller is a portable wiiu controller (with its power), this new console will be released this globally this fall (2016)"
If its later than 2016 they will fail as its the same damn half cycle because they are too late, if its 2018 they'll have waited too long, they won't have any games for WiiU so all the console fans will jump ship, if i didn't have a ps4 too after that direct i'd be buying a new console
No...? I don't think I ever suggested that sort of thing.
Not to me, at least, because I get those games on PC. Nintendo is clearly trying to change its perception to the public and developers/publishers through this "transformation" they keep on talking about. I'm just interested in how/if they will try to do that. Getting those games would certainly help in increasing its potential install-base, for sure. Whether or not it will actually work is a bit up in the air, I'd say.
So are you arguing that it is better to risk angering the current Wii U supporters in favor of a possible market that they could bring in and the angry Wii U owners will come around eventually or losing them is worth pursuing the new strategy?
Think iPhone/iPad; same architecture, same OS etc.
Iwata already mentioned the future handheld/system (which I think will be NX) should become "brothers".
Mama Robotnik
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GameGuru59
Banned
OG Xbox owners had no problem with it when Xbox 360 came out about 4 years later. A November launch for NX in 2016 will be exactly the same deal. I don't want to say get over it but...
GodParticle
Member
I think nintendo invested more time on designing muppets than games
Doczu
Member
Xbox owners had a broader and better library during those 4 years, so it wasn't as painful to make the jump. I know i won't jump from Wii U to the next one if it drops next year. I don't know if my next jump will be from one Nintendo hardware to another. Most likely i'll go just portable-nintendo from now on.
Same feeling here. Every day, the game industry is moving forward to respond our demand: play the games I want, in the console I want. Today you mainly choose your console for services or vision that you embrace from the company. We have only a few IPs and every day we share more games between systems, with a increasing cross console catalogue. That's why you have almost the same specs and the same release window between MS and Sony.
To me Nintendo always is ridiculously trying to swim against the wave releasing consoles 2 years before the rest, with lower spec, and complex programming architecture. I really can't understand why the don't get it: most part of this business decisions affect us and our pockets.
I would love I be able to choose if I want to play The Witcher in my Wii U (or whatever) or my PS4.
i'm curious how a handheld and dedicated home system will have "similar architecture".
x86 would be ideal for the home console, but wouldn't work on a handheld. ARM would be ideal on a handheld, but would it really provide enough juice on home system?
Yes, and iphone/ipad share a lot of the same software. Could they come up with a physical media that would work in both devices?
The ending is glorious. But Yamauchi is spelt with a C.