Just been to game leeds City centre, they had no idea there was a new model, but brought me out what they had, it was the 1100 series, gutted as they had the gow3 and the order bundle for 289.99. Which I would have picked up in a flash with a 1216 white.
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New PS4 model (CUH-1200) announced
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Just been to game leeds City centre, they had no idea there was a new model, but brought me out what they had, it was the 1100 series, gutted as they had the gow3 and the order bundle for 289.99. Which I would have picked up in a flash with a 1216 white.
All this video evidence gets an A for effort, but ultimately it just doesn't demonstrate anything of value.
You know how sound gets louder when you get closer to the source, right? You never measure volume in "dB". You measure volume in dB at a specified reference distance. If you want to get anything remotely comparable with a smartphone volume meter, you have to run measurements with both devices in the same position and orientation, while also keeping the smartphone in the same place.
Secondly, the whole smartphone-video-to-youtube chain involves gratuitous dynamic range compression on the audio. You cannot show how loud something is with a setup like this, much less if the recordings are made in violation of point 1, or worse, by entirely different people.
You know how sound gets louder when you get closer to the source, right? You never measure volume in "dB". You measure volume in dB at a specified reference distance. If you want to get anything remotely comparable with a smartphone volume meter, you have to run measurements with both devices in the same position and orientation, while also keeping the smartphone in the same place.
Secondly, the whole smartphone-video-to-youtube chain involves gratuitous dynamic range compression on the audio. You cannot show how loud something is with a setup like this, much less if the recordings are made in violation of point 1, or worse, by entirely different people.
Then that's a huge improvement! I've always heard my previous four units from 3m away very well while playing for 15 minutes.
The store I bought mine in had no idea either. When I mentioned new model they initially thought I meant the 1tb version.
The cuh-1200 will be filtered through just like the cuh-1100 was. Most game employees won't know any different, they'll get their shipments, load them up in the stock room and that will be that. The easiest way to get them to spot the difference is mention the lack of handle on the box, it will be too much work trying to mention looking for cuh-1216a on the box.
It's only a matter of time before every retailer sells nothing but the cuh-1200, the same way up until recently every single ps4 was a cuh-1100.
One thing I'm gutted about is I paid £349.99 just days ago, and now it's £289.99. I know prices can always change, and if you wait for the price to drop you'd never buy anything but that's annoying.
I absolutely agree, the principle is the same when discussing noise in general though.
There is no reference, when someone says their console is "silent", how do we not know that they sit 10ft away from the console, and have quite a bit of ambient background noise. Then someone else sits 1ft away playing on a computer desk at a monitor.
Add to that the variables such as different room acoustics, different console placement, some are in very enclosed spaces, some are vertical, different people have different levels of hearing, plus it's quite clear that different games cause the fan to ramp up more than others, and finally people have different tolerance levels.
The negative of all this, is the fact that someone will have a normal console, not faulty in any way, but they notice their console becomes audible, they wonder if it's normal and they see someone on a forum who say theirs is "silent". This then causes the person to go through several exchanges, every console sounds the same, they think they're the worlds unluckiest person, but the problem is them, not the console.
There are faulty units out there, and there's defintely variance in how loud certain consoles get, but on the whole the ps4 is not Silent. The only way it would be is if it used passive cooling, even then you'd likely hear slight buzz or coil whine from the psu
Chronos24
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OCD guy we really appreciate you doing the videos. The only one that works though is the latest one with the decibel reader, the others say user removed. Still, your description to me is convincing enough to probably exchange mine. Hopefully the US sees it soon. If you can't hear your ps4 from 6 feet, which is how far I sit and clearly hear mine, then yeah. By the way I DID play TLOU last night and not sure if placebo or not but after rebuilding the database it went back to only taking close to 30 minutes to reach the constant rpm again, as opposed to nearly taking an hour the last couple times before. It also didn't vary in speed as much leading up to that either like before. I also played ESO though, and occasionally noticed stuttering. Not sure if it was really the game or something specific in the game, but it hasn't done that before.
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I removed the videos, they weren't good enough to gauge the sound the console made unfortunately.
I am pickier than most, I tend to go through exchanges of most things I buy, as I tend to find faults in everything.
As I said the console isn't silent, nothing with a fan will be silent, even high end fans like Noctua make a noise. The ps4 uses a fan made by Delta, which if anyone knows PC equipment Delta aren't known for their silence lol.
The main thing for me is the console does not reach these levels anymore https://youtu.be/n6RizzBLG6w that video is the typical noise and tone the loud ps4s reach. Typically games like Killzone made the fans ramp up like that.
Regardless of what I've done, length of time played the console has not got close to that sound at all. The unfortunate thing in all this is the fact that my first "cuh-1200" ramped up excessively in the same way that video shows, however the tone was slightly different,
It's in the UK. Myself and another member bought them from Game in North London.
dealer-
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What a surprise. F'kin GAME
While I'd like to think the fan rpm is based on the temperature readings I honestly think it's more based on software, and cpu load.
For example in every console I've had the fans have ramped up at the exact same points. Regardless of how long the console has been on, if I boot from cold and load Killzone, the fan will ramp up at the exact same point every time.
I appreciate that cpu load obviously has an effect on the temperature, and they're not necessarily exclusive, but the fans ramp up at the exact same points without fail.
I'm not saying temperature doesn't have an effect, of course it does, but not as much as it should I don't think.
Got to say though, they were very helpful in checking for me and bringing the box out, so props to them for that.
I did tell them the new ones don't have handles but I think the guy hade some kind of gamecube handle flashback which didn't help as much as I thought it would. If anyone else finds a 1200 model in the UK, please post location though, thanks!
Chronos24
Member
http://youtu.be/E5_564xjsSA
Just a reference you guys even the 1100 model CAN be quiet. This was the guy's 4th replacement though. I really do think it's a 60/40 quality control/actual design hence OCD guy getting a loud 1200 model, then a totally quiet one. It sucks really because quality of a product, even a mass produced one, should have a standard and not deviate so much. I would classify my ps4 as middle of the road, whereas there are units totally quiet (which mine is not) and very hairdryer loud (which mine has not reached that level as well).
Just a reference you guys even the 1100 model CAN be quiet. This was the guy's 4th replacement though. I really do think it's a 60/40 quality control/actual design hence OCD guy getting a loud 1200 model, then a totally quiet one. It sucks really because quality of a product, even a mass produced one, should have a standard and not deviate so much. I would classify my ps4 as middle of the road, whereas there are units totally quiet (which mine is not) and very hairdryer loud (which mine has not reached that level as well).
HawksWinStanley
Member
Looks nice but I think I still prefer the contrast of the matte/gloss.
On a different note here are two close ups showing the matte finish.
I personally prefer it. It looks nice in person.
Will fit my PS3 Slim nicely. I think it looks better this way.
Xander Crews
Member
Wow, those two videos are quite the contrast!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6RizzBLG6w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5_564xjsSA
On a different note here are two close ups showing the matte finish.
I personally prefer it. It looks nice in person.
Would you consider opening it up? I'm curious to know what they have changed. I was going to wait for the slim ps4 but I might break for this one.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
My PS4 didn't sound anything like that when I played TLOUR. Isn't that just because of climate?
Chronos24
Member
Which video are you referring to? The loud one or the quiet one? I should also add that I've been playing multiplayer on TLOU and haven't done a test on the campaign in a while. Like I said before, about 30 minutes of play, which equates to around 2+ matches the fan will fluctuate in speed (depending on what's going on on-screen, for example, looking at fire from Molotov or a burning trash can the fan will kick up fairly high) but after around that 30 minute mark no matter what I do the fan speed won't change and it'll just stay at that constant rpm.
RedAssedApe
Banned
are the new models getting compared to old ones with the thermal paste redone? 
are the new models getting compared to old ones with the thermal paste redone?
The thing is the new ones use less power, it has more efficient GDDR5 ram (and less modules) and has a more efficient power supply, the motherboard is different too with a new layout.
They've even changed the heatsink too.
The heatsink on the cuh-1000 based on Maximum power draw of 149W
Heatsink on cuh-1100 based on maximum power draw of 146W
Heatsink on cuh-1200 based on maximum power draw of 122W
Like for like if you had an original revision and a new revision and used the same thermal compound on both the newer revision would be quieter in theory (obviously everything being equal). If I'm honest I'm tempted to change the thermal paste, as good thermal paste and a proper application can save quite a few degrees in temperature which should lead to an even quieter fan.
An other thing I was tempted to try was to use a "resistor" of some sort on the fan to reduce the rpm, the same principle on say Noctua fans that come with one when you want the fan to be used at its quietest. I'll need to look into what sort of plug the PS4 fan uses, whether it's a common 3 pin connector or not.
This is interesting, a guy using a potentiometer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SN3tTyjXLI here it is with the console closed up https://youtu.be/FnZ2aAlhNWc
A guy has done similar to what I'm thinking, although he's added a resistor that increases the speed lol, as you can see by the following link, access to the fan plug is very easy, and so in theory fitting a resistor should be very easy. The only considerations are that you don't want to go too low on the voltage incase your console overheats.
https://youtu.be/M8gL7o7gmNo
All you would need are the correct security torx screws, th fan resistor, and some electrical tape to tape it down. I'm going to look into an appropriate one. The only other consideration would be whether the PS4 would detect the fan resistor, or the fact that there is a reduced voltage and rpm and if it shuts the console down.
Vanillalite
Ask me about the GAF Notebook
Sorry as I know this has been asked, but do we have a time frame for a North American release?
Shin Kojima
Banned
For those interested, spotted it today in the Netherlands.
Shin Kojima
Banned
Also on the box.
What would you be looking for? What would change?
Caayn
Member
Beautifull, should've launched with this instead of the glossy.On a different note here are two close ups showing the matte finish.
I personally prefer it. It looks nice in person.
Shin Kojima
Banned
Don't you guys have Mediamarkt? I saw it there in the Netherlands.
They should have simply had their shit together in terms of replaceable HDD bay covers at the start. Simply offer the matte finish cover alongside themed covers and such.
I still kind of want that black glossy replacement cover with the PlayStation button symbols. But it's sold out everywhere.
I've ordered a 1tb EVO 850, and some AcoustiFeet.
The benefits of faster loading times, no noise (stock hdd is very noisy), less heat, and with the Acoustifeet less vibration should make for a generally more pleasant experience.
Chronos24
Member
Did you check to see which brand HDD is in your 1200? I checked each model I exchanged for and came across several different stock HDD. HGST, Toshiba, Samsung, and Seagate, all were stock HDD's in the ps4's. Toshiba was by far and away the loudest, where Seagate and Samsung didn't make any noise unless I put my ear right up to it.
family_guy
Member
On a different note here are two close ups showing the matte finish.
I personally prefer it. It looks nice in person.
This is what I want. My PS4 glossy finish was all scratched up by Sony's repair service. I was livid.
I haven't checked what hard drive I have in there yet, but I'll post up once I've checked. It's certainly very noisy though.
I'll get pictures of it tomorrow once I've received and swapped the ssd.
Yeah to be honest I'm not a fan of the gloss and matte finish, all matte really looks much nicer in person.
Plus add to that the fact it gets scratched so easily too, like even cleaning it with a soft microfibre cloth will leave hairline scratches on it,
Another advantage is the dust doesn't show as much on this one.
Heretic Kazuma
Member
Anyone know if they're releasing the white one Stateside?
CryTharsis
Banned
I bet the new one won`t be released until September in Europe -> see MGS5-Edition release.
RedAssedApe
Banned
they just need to sell a matte cover as an option
It's already out in Europe.
CryTharsis
Banned
Where?
The console is the quietest ps4 I've owned (out of 5, 2 cuh-1000, 1 cuh-1100, 2 cuh-1200). It doesn't quite go to "hair dryer mode" regardless of the game, and whether I exit to the xmb while a game is running in the background.
However unfortunately it's still not quiet enough for me, whilst at first it wasn't audible from 6ft away, I've noticed a few times it has gotten slightly audible. Not ridiculously loud, but audible. I recently bought Arkham Knight and after a long session the fan was audible.
Now I know that of course any electronic product with a fan is going to be audible in certain circumstances, especially under load, and I appreciate that I am extremely fussy. But honestly I do expect there to be people to still complain about fan noise once the new revision becomes more common and more people get their hands on them.
Long story short, if a slim comes out I'll certainly be buying it lol. This latest revision is not necessarily the "golden ps4" many have been waiting for. But again I've only sampled 2 consoles, for all I know maybe I've just been unlucky.
Edit to give you a rough idea on the difference between idle fan and load here are two videos, one showing the quietest it is, and one the loudest it's been after playing for quite some time
PS4 idle fan noise https://vid.me/HRh2
PS4 load fan noise https://vid.me/IeQM
It's not even just fan noise that's annoying me, it's the sort of "wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee" high pitched frequency that's as annoying as it sounds.
Now I used a sound meter app, and again I know the dB reading is likely not accurate, but I used it as a personal reference when comparing consoles, I measure all of them in the same area with the same app, the original cuh-1200 I picked up hit over 70dB lol. It was honestly like an actual hairdryer. Now forgetting the 70dB reading, the fact there was a 20dB discrepancy is worrying, and trust me I didn't need an app to know it was ridiculously loud.
If I'm honest I'd rather Sony have either used an external power supply, or just made the ps4 bigger. I'm almost tempted to try one last one, maybe third time lucky? Lol
Under the console, I think:
Thanks. I just checked and mine is a cuh-1115A
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