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Matt Attack
Member
While I absolutely agree that you really, really shouldn't hint towards your role (doing so serves to help the mafia/cultists so that they know who to kill), don't let yourself get lynched without a fight, because a dead power role isn't any good for us either.
Anyways, to offer an alternate possibility from Tucah, also via RNG:
VOTE: Neuromancer
Anyways, to offer an alternate possibility from Tucah, also via RNG:
VOTE: Neuromancer
I'm not entirely sure all these RNG vote posts are much better. Are we just casting votes hoping somebody will come and defend themselves without revealing their role?
What else is there to do other than that if there's no info to take into consideration at the moment? We could discuss whether those are really RNG-generated, but it's not like we can do much other than speculate.
People have a tendency to speak up once they see their name in red and the more they see it, the faster they'll go to post.
Matt Attack
Member
The votes have to start somewhere, otherwise all the posts are just going to be "Hey, what a fun island!" filler (not that I mind a little fun, of course). Furthermore, with more than one vote candidate straight off of the bat, we can better avoid straight up tunneling a single individual.
Werewolf Jones
Gold Member
Of course, I would urge us to not lynch anyone by that weird majority rule during the first day unless we stumble on something very interesting. Day 1 is for information gathering, anything more is a bonus and anything less is doing ourselves a disservice.
So we're going with the idea that it is best to lynch on the first day? Personally I'm in favor of that as well as otherwise Day 1 is absolutely pointless and the tourists start down an extra player, but I'd love to hear what some of the others have to say. I'll withhold my vote for now and see what direction the discussion takes.
Lord of Castamere
Member
Yes though, as odd as this may sound, revealing a power role isn't the worst thing that can happen. You don't want it to happen, but if it does, that does make you a target for friendly roles as well as Cultists. All in all though, yes, do not reveal a role unless you have absolutely no other choice. If you even think a question might "out" you, don't be afraid to pm Zatoth.
I have no problem starting the same way we started last game. Aggression wasn't the reason we lost. I mean shit, the main Hutt last game was a No Lynch supporter. Getting people to talk isn't bad. Just remember that you're not dead until you're dead.
Vote: Tucah
I have no problem starting the same way we started last game. Aggression wasn't the reason we lost. I mean shit, the main Hutt last game was a No Lynch supporter. Getting people to talk isn't bad. Just remember that you're not dead until you're dead.
Vote: Tucah
True. I guess I'd be more interested in a discussion on what should be done in Day One over just kind of blindly casting votes when nobody has any material to really work with yet. On the other hand, I do recognize that ending the day in a lynch is a better strategy over doing nothing. Considering the day phase is 3 days long, and as Zatoth said, people are in other time zones, it might be more prudent to not impatiently wait for replies until there's a clear sign that people are holding off.
I personally think it's a better idea to end the day in a lynch. From the previous threads it doesn't seem like most of the Day One posts have any immediate meaning, but as we gain more information from the next days they'll reveal more.
Yeah. What I'm thinking of doing is waiting a while, seeing who hasn't posted or has posted the least and trying to use my vote to get that person to be a bit more active. With zero info to go on, if we're going to lynch someone today odds are it's going to be a good guy, so I'd rather condemn an inactive one *shrug*
In that sense I don't think the RNG votes are very useful, but I guess they might yield some early info.
Rats Off To Ya
Banned
Basically, yeah. We've got nothing to go on right now but random voting. The chances of catching a Cultist this early are relatively slim, but anything that shakes out of the discussion surrounding the votes could possibly be useful in future days. We have a huge information disadvantage as Tourists. We need to do all we can to close that gap.
With that said, I'm not ready to vote quite yet, but I absolutely will. I'm 100% on board with a day one lynch. The previous GAF games showed that no-lynching on day one gained absolutely nothing for Town. Of course, Star Wars showed that the day one lynch can severely hurt Town. So please, if you have a powerful role and you're getting bandwagoned, don't get salty and lash out. That helps nobody but the enemy.
Werewolf Jones
Gold Member
It's a chance you have to take then and makes the situation more... Interesting.
After being a Day 1 No Lynch supporter in the first two games I've come around on killing someone Day 1 being the way to go, even if it ends up being pretty arbitrary. Especially since we're in an odd numbered player game and it won't lose us a day (assuming one kill a night).
This was mostly due to some off-season reading on places that had played way more games than me on other sites along with various comments explaining the logic here.
This was mostly due to some off-season reading on places that had played way more games than me on other sites along with various comments explaining the logic here.
Matt Attack
Member
Patience is definitely a good thing (I have a lot of work to do today, so it might even be better if people take their time). Splitting the vote among a few different people should help provide breathing room for people who can't post immediately, so if others want to start throwing out some candidates, go for it (although maybe not too many, we need enough votes on each individual person to apply actual pressure).
As for what I think we should to today: let's take our time and be thorough. Of course, it's very unlikely that a cultist is going to so easily out themselves, but I'm hoping that a more compelling reason for a lynch arises than simple RNG. Unfortunately, Day 1 is the day that town is at its weakest (despite being the day that it has the most players) due to our severe lack of solid information. And even if we don't get information today that you could actually call "compelling", it might prove useful in the context of later days. We should always remember to go back and read previous days once we've got more information.
I'm forming opinions on everyone posting currently and just allowing things to cruise along as I see what is said but I just wanted to bold this piece because it is very important to outing someone.
Most people won't make a simple to spot slip up, it's more likely you will find a lie if you remember to always cross reference things back to the beginning of the game.
Blargonaut
Banned
I'm an Undercover Cultist, my secret partner is Timeaisis and we have a private forum where we talk about our whips and pompadours. Watch what happens closely.
Werewolf Jones
Gold Member
What the heck, that avatar switching got me messed up until I read Droplet's post.
Blargonaut
Banned
Never Forever
Member
Hello! (apols in advance if I come across like a megabitch, please understand that I do not hate you all)
We definitely can't afford to rush the first day into a majority vote, so we need to wait out the plurality in order to ensure that we get the maximum discussion time to drill into people.
In the absence of something concrete, and not wanting to RNG I'll just grab onto the thing that's caught my attention.
This just strikes me as an unobtrusive way of participating without actually throwing yourself in and attracting too much attention to yourself by antagonising someone completely different to the two present candidates up for discussion. You just throw a vote out at the end without clearly outlining why.
I know that it's Day 1 blah blah blah and your reasoning is obvious ('the name is out there, I'm bandwagoning and applying pressure in order to get people to talk!'), but I like it when people actually say why they are voting for the person they are voting for in very clear terms.
VOTE: Lord of Castamere
Wow, I totally missed that it was Blarg posting that. I thought that kind of crazy post was weird for Darryl.
Darryl's not crazy, he's just insanely good at this game. Blarg is crazy, but I vote we keep him around anyway. It will be fun.
Darryl's not crazy, he's just insanely good at this game. Blarg is crazy, but I vote we keep him around anyway. It will be fun.
Blargonaut
Banned
That's a hasty, hasty move there, but I guess it's right to vote for the inactives first, especially to draw them out on the 1st day!
LoC is actually the first person I think is more convincing as Tourist, and it comes from a post before we started the game.
This was after Zatoth clarified that mafia were called Cultists. Anyone who was cult-aligned would have known that mafia were called Cultists, and following Zatoth's post, would have felt safe posting Cultist. To me, this implies that Zatoth forgot or didn't realize that mafia were called Cultists and just defaulted to Cthulhu because that's what he had been thinking of mafia as (remember, we were a couple days into the beginning of the thread before the world cult even came up). Note that I don't mean that anyone who posted the word Cultist after Zatoth's clarification would be Cult-aligned, just that I think it's more likely that LoC is Tourist-aligned because he didn't seem to have that knowledge.
Both Never Forever and Droplet's posts' logic seem like really big stretches to me. NF's seem unnecessarily confrontative and Droplet's unnecessarily defensive.
Either way as I already said I'd lean towards voting for people with less than X number of posts, hoping this makes them post more and show their dedication to the cause rather than voting for active people based on pretty much no information and risking lynching a would-be active tourist.
Either way as I already said I'd lean towards voting for people with less than X number of posts, hoping this makes them post more and show their dedication to the cause rather than voting for active people based on pretty much no information and risking lynching a would-be active tourist.
Drop, your logic makes me nervious, because I suggested we were hunting cultists on page 1.
Now, I'm obviously not mafia, because if I were, I wouldn't be pointing this out. I think by and large your reasoning is sound, but I think we need to be careful along these lines. I know virtually nothing about the Lovecraft mythos, but I do know there are cults involved.
Now, I'm obviously not mafia, because if I were, I wouldn't be pointing this out. I think by and large your reasoning is sound, but I think we need to be careful along these lines. I know virtually nothing about the Lovecraft mythos, but I do know there are cults involved.
I mean, I don't want to defend or attack anyone at the moment, but this logic sounds like absolutely nothing to me. I re-read it a couple times but all I get from this is you think LoC is ok because he didn't use the word Cultist even though it was already revealed that they were called Cultists?
Werewolf Jones
Gold Member
So if you wanna group together then pick someone with a low post count in this thread and go at it.
Lord of Castamere
Member
My reasoning for voting the way I did is pretty clear. I want pressure applied to everyone. The more discussion we have, the smoother this all goes. The problem is one vote means nothing, real pressure relys on threat. People need to learn how to dodge, and redirect, without folding. Today someone needs to be lynched. I firmly believe this, regardless of mishaps last game. I hope it's a cultist. I hope that we find the information we need soon, but until we do, Tucah is as good a vote as any. You can rest assured that if Tucah isn't a Cultist we can reevaluate this tomorrow, and have no intention of holding this vote if necessary. Hopefully, Tucah is convincing enough to Shake It Off.
I'd say that Never Forever's post was more of a poke in the dark for information that it is necessarily confrontational. I find it interesting that both NF and Droplet seem to be focused in on the same person when what LoC said is essentially true; outing a role means that they can potentially be protected while still also becoming a larger target for the Cultists. I don't think that any sort of defense or offense would need to be taken on a post that is basically stating the obvious.
Eh, it's not like LoC is getting lynched today. I mean, maybe he is, but if the best argument we had for that after 3 days of discussion was NF's post, I wouldn't think we'd be doing a good job.
This sounds good, but I'd wait until everyone has had some time to post so we're not voting for anyone just because they happen to be sleeping atm.
This sounds good, but I'd wait until everyone has had some time to post so we're not voting for anyone just because they happen to be sleeping atm.
Oh. I don't think calling them Cultists is that strange. As I said, Zatoth clarified immediately after the role PMs went out anyway.
Yup. It just sounds like he didn't know, which would be weird for a cultist?
Oh honestly, I just made a note of that before we started the game and thought it was a good opportunity to post it. If people think it's nothing we can ignore it, but if we're trying to make reads on small amounts of information I thought it would be good to post.
Lord of Castamere
Member
The game just started. Jumping down an inactives throat should wait until tomorrow IMO.
Sounds more like fluff to me. But that's fine, just wanted to make sure I understood your point correctly.
Agreed, we should also discount posts from before we started the game, that's all filler as well. As a note I'll likely be relatively quiet until tomorrow, I'm in the middle of traveling and not really at a point where I have stable access to internet. Expect it to change tomorrow.
Are you currently traveling by train?
Lord of Castamere
Member
That was filler, but take it how you want. Honestly, I'd rather you saved that for a time when I needed it. The last thing I want right now is another Night 1 death. PTSD.
Well shit. :| I figured it wouldn't be very helpful later on and if we were going to grasp at straws Day One it was better to discuss particular people over RNG voting. That said, I realize now I shouldn't have jumped to anyone's defense in the first day.
I need to go back to work so I'll keep my mouth shut for now.
Zatoth stated that we could use anything following role PMs. I mean, we could discount them, but I imagine not everyone posted prior to day one with only fluff.