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[Mass_Pincup]

If you'd actually be doing that with any level of looking at the bigger picture, you'd notice and there are some years that are noticeably quieter for Sony in terms of first party published games. 2012-2013 was a pretty cray-cray period for Sony game releases up until PS4's launch and you DO have to take that into account when evaluating Sony's first party output on PS4 so far. When you understand that ND, Santa Monica, Japan, Quantic Dream, Media Molecule, Polyphony Digital and such released a new game within 1-2 years before PS4's launch, it's not all that surprising that those teams are still working on their first PS4 games. In comparison both MS & Nintendo dropped support for 360 & Wii much faster and way before the launch of their newer consoles, yet they didn't escape the drought either.

Not to even mention you are ignoring that games aren't exactly getting any smaller, so that will of course affect not only Sony's but EVERYONE's AAA output. When every game takes +6-12 months longer than a similar game might've taken during last generation, there's bound to be a few less games all-in-all. Sony can't quite push a new Uncharted game out every two years anymore (it was already stretching ND thin between UC2 & 3). Take all the above and the usual first-year-drought into account and that explains PS4's 2014 pretty well. 2015 is already a massive improvement (especially the latter half), not to even mention what's coming beyond 2015.

You do raise a good point about Sony having slower years but in 2012 (the year the Vita launched) they published 23 games on the PS3.

I might have misunderstood what he was trying to say but I thought that developing on the PS4 was supposed to be quicker then on the PS3?

http://www.engadget.com/2013/06/28/cerny-ps4s-time-to-triangle-to-rival-ps1/

Thankfully 2016 (if there is no delay) looks like the year were everything will go back to normal. I also just remembered Yoshida saying that they won't be doing mid tier games anymore. That might be the reason why I think that their output is weaker then before.

Seriously? Go look at the output on Sony exclusives 1.5 years into the life of the PS4 and 1.5 years into the PS3 and you tell me that we haven't gotten far more on the PS4.

Good lord. People really should do their research before making these ridiculous statements.

From 2006 to 2007 Sony published 48 games on the PS3.
On the PS4 from 2013 to 2015 it's 45 games.

According to wikipedia

 

[Famassu]

Is there any chance Sony could make a deal with Atlus to produce something like Persona 3 & Persona 4 HD Collection?

Atlus is pretty happy-go-lucky with re-releasing their own games, so that could happen sometime in the future. Maybe in between Persona 5 & 6.

 

[R10Neymarfan]

Makes sense since Sony literally has a team dedicated to porting PS3 titles IIRC

Anyways ICO collection seems most likely as one of the next since The Last Guardian is releasing in 2016

 

[Famassu]

You do raise a good point about Sony having slower years but in 2012 (the year the Vita launched) they published 23 games on the PS3.

I might have misunderstood what he was trying to say but I thought that developing on the PS4 was supposed to be quicker then on the PS3?

http://www.engadget.com/2013/06/28/cerny-ps4s-time-to-triangle-to-rival-ps1/

Getting SOMETHING up and running on a PS4 is quicker & easier than on PS3. But developing a full game of Uncharted 4's scope, complexity & ambition still requires a lot more hard work than any Uncharted before. Naughty Dog could mayhaps make Uncharted 2 quicker on PS4, but they aren't developing Uncharted 2, they are developing a vastly more complex sequel.

I mean, coding for simpler hardware like PS4 may technically be a little bit easier than for a monstrosity like PS3 & Cell, but something like Drake's character model is far more detailed and probably takes a heck of a lot longer to model, rig & all that than his character model in the past. Maybe creating shaders & stuff is a bit faster, but there's still a lot of hard labour in creating all that increased amount of detail.

 

[Wiggy]

Fuck yeah! Fantastic game, 360 owners that never had a Ps3 and are now playing on Ps4 should get the chance to play it.

Oh yeah...360 owners. Yeah I was thinking of them... not just selfishly wanting to replay Tokyo Jungle myself on my PS4

 

[Auron]

Shadow of the Colossus please. Would make me a very happy person.

 

[10k]

God of War Saga, not just III please.
Resistance Trilogy
Maybe the first two infamous' with festival of blood?
Killzone trilogy?
Demon Souls?

Basically HD remaster everything that was already remastered for the PS3.

 

[Inuhanyou]

Although I don't want to see too many more remasters, I can think of a few I might like to to play again at 1080p/60fps.

PlayStation Exclusives.

Killzone Collection
Motorstorm Collection
Demon's Souls Remaster
Infamous Collection
Ni No Kuni Remaster
Resistance Collection
God of War Ascension Remaster
Wipeout HD Remaster



3rd Party Games.

SSX Collection (1-4)
Burnout Collection (1-4)
Tekken Collection (1-3)

If there was a Tekken collection it would have to be 1-5. We already got Tekken 1-3 on PS2 in Tekken 5.

I would like to see Tekken 7 have the arcade versions of all the previous numbered games, 1 2 3 4 5 and 6

 

[Ophiuchus]

What? It's called PSNow and it's on the PS4/PS3/PSVita/TVs/Blu-rays.

I didn't know that.Thank you for the info.

Does PSNow work as was promised?I still didn't switch to PS4 but if all ps1/ps2 libraries are accessible then I won't wait till next Uncharted.

 

[GribbleGrunger]

I didn't know that.Thank you for the info.

Does PSNow work as was promised?I still didn't switch to PS4 but if all ps1/ps2 libraries are accessible then I won't wait till next Uncharted.

Yes. It's also already on Samsung TVs so if you have one you can try it out. It's also used for game sharing on the PS4.

 

[Inuhanyou]

From 2006 to 2007 Sony published 48 games on the PS3.
On the PS4 from 2013 to 2015 it's 45 games.

According to wikipedia

Oh so now its Sony published games? Why are you cutting out all the other games? I said first party and third party efforts. In combination of first party and third party, there are far more PS4 games than PS3 at the same time. Its misleading to suddenly say Sony published.

 

[Sanpei]

We need new IPs not remasters...

 

[orochi91]

Asura's Wrath and El Shaddai, PLEASE SONY D:

 

[Mass_Pincup]

Oh so now its Sony published games? Why are you cutting out all the other games? I said first party and third party efforts. In combination, there are far more PS4 games than PS3 at the same time. Its misleading to suddenly say Sony published.

From the very beginning I was talking about Sony's output, just look at all my post. I even clearly said that I was talking about Sony's as a publisher so i don't know what is surprising.

 

[maniac-kun]

I hope there is a Souls Collection. With Demon Souls and Dark Souls 1 & 2.

 

[Inuhanyou]

From the very beginning I was talking about Sony's output, just look at all my post. I even clearly said that I was talking about Sony's as a publisher so i don't know what is surprising.

And i asked you, what's the difference between first party and third party in regards to library variation if we're talking about PS4 as a platform?

 

[Blueingreen]

I haven't got a problem with remasters so long as it's a good port, what bothers me is how they're priced for what they offer, case in point $40 for GOW 3 Remastered is kinda steep considering how barebones it is. Or if they exclude features like Uncharted 2's MP,
That's when I have problem.

 

[TFRazorsaw]

The issue isn't that the remasters are taking resources from newer games, it's that they're coming out almost to the exclusion of newer games. I mean, you can't deny that the latter is a minority.

 

[-MD-]

Please remaster Twisted Metal for PS4, specifically the multiplayer.

 

[Alo0oy]

Sony always had and always will have more exclusive then the competition, that's not the point. When people talk about exclusive games they talk about Sony's, not Atlus' or NISA's.

Some people feel like Sony has been slacking in terms of First Party support and they have a right to feel that way.

SCE WWS also published more games than the competition since the PS4's launch.

In fact, they published more games than EA & Ubisoft since the PS4's launch.

Next goalpost, please.

 

[hawk2025]

The issue isn't that the remasters are taking resources from newer games, it's that they're coming out almost to the exclusion of newer games. I mean, you can't deny that the latter is a minority.

The issue is only relevant if the first part of the statement causes the latter.

There is zero evidence that it does.

 

[Mass_Pincup]

And i asked you, what's the difference between first party and third party in regards to library variation if we're talking about PS4 as a platform?

That's the thing, I'm talking about Sony games on the PS4 not the exclusives games on the PS4. I feel like Sony is releasing less games then they did on other consoles and that's it, not once did I said that they doesn't count or that the PS4 as less exclusives then before. You may find my argument weird or irrelevant but I never said anything of the sort.

SCE WWS also published more games than the competition since the PS4's launch.

In fact, they published more games than EA & Ubisoft since the PS4's launch.

Next goalpost, please.

Great but that's not what I'm talking about, I'm comparing Sony today with Sony last generation.

And that's at least not even true for Ubisoft since they published 60+ games between 2014 and 2015 or are you excluding some games for no reason?

 

[DieH@rd]

Morpeus should get VR ports/reimaginings of G-Police and Colony Wars [Sony owns both IPs].

 

[GribbleGrunger]

The issue isn't that the remasters are taking resources from newer games, it's that they're coming out almost to the exclusion of newer games. I mean, you can't deny that the latter is a minority.

I'm sure I live on a completely different planet.

 

[Inuhanyou]

SCE WWS also published more games than the competition since the PS4's launch.

In fact, they published more games than EA & Ubisoft since the PS4's launch.

Next goalpost, please.

Is this really correct...?

I wasn't even aware of that...

 

[TFRazorsaw]

The issue is only relevant if the first part of the statement causes the latter.

There is zero evidence that it does.

They don't need to be diverting resources and money for that to happen. It can simply be a matter of deciding "we have remasters and we have third parties, we don't need to invest as much in new first party content".

I'm sure I live on a completely different planet.

more remasters are coming out than new 1st party software. Is that not true?

 

[AlucardGV]

Sony's BC

 

[prwxv3]

The issue isn't that the remasters are taking resources from newer games, it's that they're coming out almost to the exclusion of newer games. I mean, you can't deny that the latter is a minority.

This is complete bullshit.

 

[hawk2025]

They don't need to be diverting resources and money for that to happen. It can simply be a matter of deciding "we have remasters and we have third parties, we don't need to invest as much in new first party content".

There is zero evidence of that.

 

[Mikey Jr.]

Forgive me, I'm on my phone so looking at post history isn't the easiest thing... But do you have a link?

Or is this a joke/meme I've missed?

Fuck you Battletoads!


I still love you, though. Had to turn it off in level 3 ;_;

Rare Replay thread.

 

[David___]

They don't need to be diverting resources and money for that to happen. It can simply be a matter of deciding "we have remasters and we have third parties, we don't need to invest as much in new first party content".

If that were the case then why arent they closing down studios? They aren't going to keep paying people to do nothing but twiddle their thumbs all day.

 

[Jigorath]

more remasters are coming out than new 1st party software. Is that not true?

From Sony? No, it isn't true.

 

[TFRazorsaw]

There is zero evidence of that.

Show me results that prove otherwise, then. All we have is a small handful of 1st part games in general. The writing is on the wall.

If that were the case then why arent they closing down studios? They aren't going to keep paying people to do nothing but twiddle their thumbs all day.

I'm pretty sure Sony closed down a fair number of those fairly recently.

 

[-MD-]

TWISTED METAL.
Damn that game is good.

Twisted Metal PS3

Twisted Metal. Do it Sony.

I need:
Twisted Metal

What I want:
Twisted Metal

I would totally rebuy a PS4 just for that game.

I would however like a Twisted Metal remaster.

With online that works at launch? HELL YES!

This three.

Twisted Metal

-TWISTED METAL (this is a must, either a remaster, remake or a new game for PS4)

Makes me happy to see so many people wanting this. The multiplayer was incredible.

 

[Alo0oy]

Is this really correct...?

I wasn't even aware of that...

Sony is the biggest publisher in the world in terms of software volume, in most years they publish the most games, although sometimes Activision & Square have big years & publish more.

 

[The Xtortionist]

Please remaster Twisted Metal for PS4, specifically the multiplayer.

Twisted Metal would make an incredible $20ish downloadable title. Just get those servers in order, and add matchmaking.

 

[Kerotan Frog]

Where the hell she at Sony?

/thread

I loved this game so much. I would love this on PS4 to prep for the sequel.

I hope there is a Souls Collection. With Demon Souls and Dark Souls 1 & 2.

Yup this too. It would have to PS exclusive because of demons. Demons at 60fps with smoother graphics would be amazing. Give it that Durante treatment Sony.

 

[Famassu]

more remasters are coming out than new 1st party software. Is that not true?

That's so ridiculously untrue that it isn't even funny.

 

[-MD-]

Twisted Metal would make an incredible $20 downloadable title. Just get those servers in order, and add matchmaking.

I wouldn't be able to download it fast enough. That's seriously the #1 thing I want from Sony right now.

 

[Sgtpepper89]

They can do as many remasters they want as long it isn't any important ppl/teams doin the work. I want the good ones to focus on new ips and games.. That's why I bought a new console.

 

[Newtype-001]

We need new IPs not remasters...

Good thing we get both.

 

[David___]

I'm pretty sure Sony closed down a fair number of those fairly recently.

I want some names then since I dont recall them closing any studios down recently, if anything they've opened one specifically for Morpheus games

 

[dmshaposv]

Remasters id buy (playstation exclusives):

Killzone 2
Ico/shadow of the colossus collection
MGS4
Infamous 1/2
Twisted metal

 

[Inuhanyou]

That's the thing, I'm talking about Sony games on the PS4 not the exclusives games on the PS4. I feel like Sony is releasing less games then they did on other consoles and that's it, not once did I said that they doesn't count or that the PS4 as less exclusives then before. You may find my argument weird or irrelevant but I never said anything of the sort.

Then i misunderstood your point. But i'm still curious as to why the fact that they have more third party investments this gen is less impressive than first party.

Even with all the third party deals, even according to your numbers, they have a comparable number of Sony published titles as the same time last gen, down by 3. And next year is far more first party investment as well as Sony published deals coming down the pipe than this year. I'm just not sure there's a reason to be disappointed considering what we know.

 

[Jigorath]

Show me results that prove otherwise, then. All we have is a small handful of 1st part games in general. The writing is on the wall.

You know you haven't shown any evidence of anything yourself right?

 

[FATALITY]

Show me results that prove otherwise, then. All we have is a small handful of 1st part games in general. The writing is on the wall.



I'm pretty sure Sony closed down a fair number of those fairly recently.

Now I wanna know who are those studios you are talking about.

 

[vypek]

Show me results that prove otherwise, then. All we have is a small handful of 1st part games in general. The writing is on the wall.

You'd be better off posting proof along with your accusation that you made originally. Why wouldn't the poster you were responding to just say "show me proof"

 

[Inuhanyou]

They can do as many remasters they want as long it isn't any important ppl/teams doin the work. I want the good ones to focus on new ips and games.. That's why I bought a new console.

Remasters are 99% outsourced to devs who need the work, and aren't working on anything. Also 90% of the time, there is zero input to begin with from the original developer.

The publisher just hands over the assets to the dev team and they do the rest. So you don't have to worry

 

[Xone9]

lazy sony

 

[hawk2025]

Show me results that prove otherwise, then. All we have is a small handful of 1st part games in general. The writing is on the wall.



I'm pretty sure Sony closed down a fair number of those fairly recently.

You literally made up a quote, and the onus to prove otherwise is on me?


lol