family_guy
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Adding to this, one person might like one genre and not the other. So it was never a competition for someone who doesn't like RPGs, or specifically WRPGs, or specifically Fallout.
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Aaron Greenberg: We feel Rise of the Tomb Raider will stand on its own vs Fallout
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Adding to this, one person might like one genre and not the other. So it was never a competition for someone who doesn't like RPGs, or specifically WRPGs, or specifically Fallout.
Bolivar687
Banned
^ this is my mindset. They have more overlap than the other games - gamers looking for single player GOTY titles. RoTR could have complemented those games, instead people are going to be playing Fallout from the moment it finishes installing until sunrise the next day.
BF has no single player at all and will probably get dinged for it. There's plenty of conversation pieces about prioritizing a strong single player experience that RoTR could have benefitted from.
People buy more games during this period of the year. Even if they massively get outsold by something like battlefront, they can still sell a lot of copies just because of the holiday rush
Admiral Woofington
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The thing is that Fallout has a huge following outside of WRPG fans, Bethesda games in general do. Somebody that might've enjoyed Tomb Raider enough to give the sequel a chance but then having to decide between all of these games in the same month, and this one being one of the ones people are likely to talk about the most, isn't likely to choose Tomb Raider over ANY of these.
I mean unless your genre is specifically third person shooters/platformers.
Admiral Woofington
Member
jokes aside when I played this back in college I closed my room and turned down the volume lol
Things you won't hear:
"We feel Fallout 4 will stand on its own vs Rise of the Tomb Raider"
I'm very intensely following Rise of the Tomb Raider's release. The last game was a "disappointment" at over 3 million sold in one month across multiple systems according to the publisher; I want to see how this one pans out, especially in such a crowded holiday season.
"We feel Fallout 4 will stand on its own vs Rise of the Tomb Raider"
I'm very intensely following Rise of the Tomb Raider's release. The last game was a "disappointment" at over 3 million sold in one month across multiple systems according to the publisher; I want to see how this one pans out, especially in such a crowded holiday season.
Doctor_Thomas
Member
Genre isn't overly important, but "money to spare" is. I can't see people throwing down money on both games at the same time and Fallout 4 is a much bigger, more important game than Tomb Raider. Even if people are planning to get both, why get both immediately when you can wait and get one cheaper?
How many are there though? It's probably a lot, but how many of them have an XB1/willing to buy 1? Probably not even close to all, which will cut the potential audience, and how many of them aren't interested in CoD or Battlefront? I think it'll be a hard sell releasing in between them two, with Fallout 4. I do think it'll have good legs though (assuming it doesn't suck), the reboot did.
I started to wear a earphones, after getting a few funny looks.
Tomb Raider once was a massive success in the PS1 days. The reboot didn't quite recapture that magic. And now it's going against a release from a company that has had release-over-release sales increases. Their first outing on next gen systems using an advanced form of the engine that powered one of the biggest RPG's in history? Yea. Steamrolled.
There will be a segment of the population that will be able to get both. However all eyes are going to be on Fallout November/December.
I will say releasing on the same day means any store doing a midnight release will also be doing one for Tomb Raider. It'll be interesting to see what the breakdowns are for this.
There will be a segment of the population that will be able to get both. However all eyes are going to be on Fallout November/December.
I will say releasing on the same day means any store doing a midnight release will also be doing one for Tomb Raider. It'll be interesting to see what the breakdowns are for this.
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
When you have to say something about another game coming out and what their chances are, then what are you doing?
I see one slightly being more anticipated than the other, but what do I know? 8 or so years of development versus 2 or 3?
I am getting both and I'm anticipating them too.
Unaha-Closp
Member
If I had an Xbox One I would still be getting Fallout 4 regardless of any other game. I am sure some people are the exact opposite. By the time it comes to PC or PS4 I might get the new Tomb Raider on the cheap but I've tried the reboot twice and both times I am bored rigid. I don't know why. She gets her wall climbing hook thingy and I just don't care. Get that guys medicine for his leg right at the start - bored to tears. Twice. Stop right there. So my choice is Fallout 4 or Fallout 4 I was never going to buy TR even if I had a Xbox One.
peanutbutterlatte
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They're very different sort of games, but you're still going up against the Skyrim spiritual successor guys.
EzekelRAGE
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I wouldve took chances against star wars. Least then you have a single player game going against a multiplayer only title. So that alone would give you a separate market for the two games. Most ppl will probably go hmmm, single player vs single player when comparing FO4/TR and may side with FO4 due to hype.
chromatic9
Member
October has been pretty quiet really. TR could've been a major title for this month. At least it has a large dedicated fan base to help.
I'm awaiting the Microsoft Windows ™ Version
I'm awaiting the Microsoft Windows ™ Version
Alebrije
Member
Basically it's MS product at this moment and MS wants to move as many consoles as possible not because they can beat PS4 but to get the momentum at Holiday season.
Anyway I think TR will have more legs than fallout 4, not in the way that will sell more copies but will sell during more time on a regular basis.
Don't think Skyrim was the reason for Skyward Sword not reaching the heights of TP...
Neuromancer
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That's a nice thought but Fallout 4 is going to crush Tomb Raider critically and sales-wise. I wonder if both MS and SE are secretly regretting the deal, since it was made with imperfect information (that Uncharted 4 was going to be delayed.)
It's just a pointless discussion. Going Xbox exclusive was a trade-off SE was willing to take. Yes, it'll sell less units because of it but we have absolutey no clue whether it was the right decision or not.
You're not wrong, I just remember the initial E3 reactions and I'm so over people bitching about TR being Xbox exclusive. I'm not saying you are bitching about it but I couldn't but be reminded of those reactions.
hydrophilic attack
Member
There was never any bitching to an E3 announcement for this game
StrongBlackVine
Banned
No way especially with Fallout 4 getting mod support even on console. That will extend its shelf life indefinitely. I see Fallout 4 a having similar reception to what Skyrim did. I'm not really a fan a Bethesda(I might try this game), but people seem to eat these open world games up and Bethesda is only second to Rockstar in that genre.
Fallout's XB1 Preorders laugh at our RoTR preorders. It's just no contest, amidst all the big releases.
In order of preorders for the system right now, the last quick check I did was CoD, Halo, and then Fallout and Star Wars were duking it out, though I think Fallout was in the lead last I checked.
In order of preorders for the system right now, the last quick check I did was CoD, Halo, and then Fallout and Star Wars were duking it out, though I think Fallout was in the lead last I checked.
toddhunter
Member
They can, but I'm not sure a fan of mindless shooters is going to like Tomb Raider as well.
Pretty much, should have been out this month, sooner, or delayed to next year. I mean good luck to it and all, but releasing between some of the biggest titles of the year is such an odd decision, especially when the concentration is on a sole platform even if it is coming to 360 as well.
Nothing exists in a vacuum, CoD which is usually the top selling game of the year is coming out a week beforehand, that will be quite a few people who are less likely to pick it up. A sequel to a rather popular to say the least last generation game made by the guys who did one of the most popular games last generation is coming out on the same day, another bunch of people. A week later a reboot of a popular game series for one of the biggest franchises in the world, just before said franchise new film comes out, arrives, and is also playable early on the same platform that is TR main focus. A platform that sold half as many copies as a competing platform when the previous game got a port.
That's a lot of cards stacked against one game.
In no way will this happen. No matter how good TR is, it is going up against a Bethesda open-world. In a franchise that people have waited seven years for them to return to. Seven years playing the SAME GAME by way of mod support.
TR is being sent out so that MS can trumpet - along with advertisements for Fallout 4 - all of the games being on XB1. It's an advertising move, nothing more.
I know I'll definitely pick Horizon over Tomb Raider. Then again, the last Tomb Raider was a fun game but it's the type of game I can wait until it's cheap to play.
DamonForever
Member
I would have easily gotten it Day 1 against any of those games, but SE decided against my 2015 purchase and so be it. I would have still released against COD or even Halo, because the people who will get RotTR are going to get it anyway, so you might as well push it as a secondary game to as many people as possible, so fans of lenghty games like Halo, COD, Fallout and Star Wars. Get as many eyes on the product.
I'm not even sure why there isn't a F4 + TR bundle.
I'm guessing MS are paying for the marketing, and the less they market, the more they save.
I'm not even sure why there isn't a F4 + TR bundle.
I'm guessing MS are paying for the marketing, and the less they market, the more they save.
Drac84
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I think that when MS obtained exclusivity for TR they intended for it to mitigate Uncharted 4's 2015 holiday release. Uncharted's delay has thrown those plans into disarray, and they now find themselves with a timed exclusive game competing against three 3rd party juggernauts, while Uncharted 4 will launch with comparative freedom.
IMO this timed exclusive deal has gone a bit pear-shaped for MS, and is no longer giving them the benefit they initially sought.
IMO this timed exclusive deal has gone a bit pear-shaped for MS, and is no longer giving them the benefit they initially sought.
We can but honestly, having played Witcher 3 and Skyrim and Fallout 3.... (and the latter two at least a year or more after they came out so all the patches were already out), Witcher 3 still had less problems honestly even at the start (I got Witcher launch day). And I prefer Bethesda games so don't think I'm one of those that has to prove Witcher is better than Bethesda games.
I love Bethesda games but from my experience they kinda deserve the reputation (and I've never played one launch day, yet. Fallout 4 will be my first). That being said I get the feeling this time it won't be as bad (but I can only compare Fallout 4 to the previous games after they were already patched so maybe I won't even notice).
Not sure it matters. With many only having to spend and three likely bigger titles around it I feel TR is going to get swamped at launch and loose sales to CoD, BF and Fallout anyway. With PC and PS launches delayed I get feeling it's going to trail big multi-plat titles badly. Question is indeed how much of an audience it finds and whether it has legs.
Right now though SE's decisions look pretty poor for the second instalment of the reboot.
Right now though SE's decisions look pretty poor for the second instalment of the reboot.
family_guy
Member
And Bethesda games have alot of bugs at launch, so at least for me, I wouldn't mind getting Tomb Raider first and Fallout later. I look back at the Witcher 3, and the game is so much better now after being out for 5 months, I almost would have rather waited to play the game. Just the scope of Fallout is so much bigger compared to Tomb Raider that it's guaranteed there will be hundreds of bugs. I bought all my Bethesda games 6 months or more after release when things have improved and there's much more user created content.
JohnnyFootball
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Is it not impossible to see that there are fans of both games, but many can only afford one.
chromatic9
Member
Another thing is Tomb Raider can be that alternative game to relax with over the holiday, like a dumb movie, story driven with light gameplay. The three shooters COD/BF/Halo would bore me to tears and Fallout is a heavy game.
I can see why MS want this type of game. They missed it on 360. I think it adds some diversity while being a big name. TR is popular in the EU and Sony land so this game could at least help the situation XBO has found it's self in. Not saying it's going to do wonders though. SE can probably also rely on the fan base who don't bite to be there on PS4.
I can see why MS want this type of game. They missed it on 360. I think it adds some diversity while being a big name. TR is popular in the EU and Sony land so this game could at least help the situation XBO has found it's self in. Not saying it's going to do wonders though. SE can probably also rely on the fan base who don't bite to be there on PS4.
You are definitely in the minority.
Which is true no matter when they launch it, at this point. So go with the game that has the least mechanical overlap.
Thanks for chiming, Abdiel. Was just mulling over lighting your signal.
Rain City Gamer
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It would be much more interesting to hear Crystal Dynamics / Square Enix's reaction and explanation. MS is using the title to push console sales this holiday season. So I am sure they couldn't care less about how it sells as long as they sell consoles along the way. For all we know CD/SE wanted to release it during the spring but MS forced them to release it now then got sideswiped by FO4 announcement which left them with no other options. I will be interested to see the marketing of FO4 vs TR2 because both are MS deals. It was a lose, lose or TR2 and I would imagine if they could do it all over again CD/SE would not be an Xbone timed exclusive.
Tomb Raider will do fine, over time. I sure hope they don't have bonuses based on week 1 (or even month 1) sales.
People will get around to it, but probably not until December / January at the earliest; and possibly not even until the summer lull. And then you have people like myself, who, if it gets close to the release of the PS4 version, will just wait for that.
People will get around to it, but probably not until December / January at the earliest; and possibly not even until the summer lull. And then you have people like myself, who, if it gets close to the release of the PS4 version, will just wait for that.
hydrophilic attack
Member
Interesting as always. Thanks for sharing!
Neuromancer
Member
Personally I find it hard to believe a significant number of people are going to buy a ~$350 console for a timed exclusive. Microsoft themselves admitted they did the deal to counter Uncharted 4.