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Berserk |OT| - Big men, bigger swords, OFF THE BOAT - Berserk #344 24/6/2016

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Diodiablo

Banned
True Savior said:
Time flows different on the island
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Makes sense, a great deal of fairy stories (especially here in Ireland) depict strange time flows in the Court of the Fairies. Sometimes the hero spends a night with the fairies only to come back at dawn and find that centuries had passed.
 
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JadedWriter

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Well just started Volume 28 this morning and Farnese wants to learn magic, loving her turn around, even Serpico was shocked. Just hoping Schierke doesn't rush her into fire magic.
 
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riskybusinesstomcruise

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So...with the rough translation given of the latest episode...
with the way time works on the island it seems that Miura has introduced an element to really accelerate the plot, perhaps even to a conclusion!

Thoughts?
 
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Tricky I Shadow

Banned
Moaradin said:
PLEASE LET CASCA BE GOOD AGAIN.
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YES PLEASE! It's never felt this close...

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riskybusinesstomcruise

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Tricky I Shadow said:
YES PLEASE! It's never felt this close...

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Its going to be really interesting to see how Miura handles Casca's recovery. It could be really clunky pacing wise for her to have to be caught up on everything. I feel like she will have a vague memory of her experiences while she was in her hampered state.

That is assuming that her condition is recoverable at all.

I wonder how much Guts will sacrifice to have Casca recover. Does he feel an obligation to "save the world" at this point?
Given the time-island scenario he's probably aware that the world might just go to shit if he sits around waiting for her to recover.
 
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Tricky I Shadow

Banned
riskybusinesstomcruise said:
Its going to be really interesting to see how Miura handles Casca's recovery. It could be really clunky pacing wise for her to have to be caught up on everything. I feel like she will have a vague memory of her experiences while she was in her hampered state.

That is assuming that her condition is recoverable at all.

I wonder how much Guts will sacrifice to have Casca recover. Does he feel an obligation to "save the world" at this point?
Given the time-island scenario he's probably aware that the world might just go to shit if he sits around waiting for her to recover.
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I have a strong feeling Casca's recovery won't be as simple as it seems. However Miura will handle it, one things for sure - it's going to be a monumental moment for the story with a ton of very exciting results. I'm confident that after all these recent breaks Miura has worked out all the finer details for the rest of the story and he's going to really buckle down and get it done.

Berserk is split into three very distinct parts. The beginning, the middle, and then the end. The beginning ended when
Griffith was reborn,
the middle will end once Casca is healed, and then everything after that will be classed as the end. That all lines up with when Miura said the story is about 60-70% complete in 2009. The fact that it's hard to predict exactly where the story will go after Casca is recovered is exhilarating. We have good times ahead my friends!
 
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True Savior

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riskybusinesstomcruise said:
So...with the rough translation given of the latest episode...
with the way time works on the island it seems that Miura has introduced an element to really accelerate the plot, perhaps even to a conclusion!

Thoughts?
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Why do you say he introduces an element to accelerate the conclusion ? They tell them the same tale about Peekaf we already read in volume 15 . I think he is telling the story he always wanted to tell at the pace he wants. This is naturally propitious to a more developed conflict but I dont see it as a tool to merely conclude the story faster than expected.
 
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riskybusinesstomcruise

Member
True Savior said:
Why do you say he introduces an element to accelerate the conclusion ? They tell them the same tale about Peekaf we already read in volume 15 . I think he is telling the story he always wanted to tell at the pace he wants. This is naturally propitious to a more developed conflict but I dont see it as a tool to merely conclude the story faster than expected.
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Well, I just suggested that its something that might happen. I also never meant to imply Miura was using it as a short cut or cop out. I just think it might be a catalyst which helps propel the story to its eventual conclusion.
 
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True Savior

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riskybusinesstomcruise said:
Well, I just suggested that its something that might happen. I also never meant to imply Miura was using it as a short cut or cop out. I just think it might be a catalyst which helps propel the story to its eventual conclusion.
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Ah ok. My bad. I agree with you then. I think we'll see a major development of Falconia and how the world is going to change.
 
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Veelk

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Heh. I guess this isn't the most active forum, but I hadn't expected to make it.

I sorta wish
Puck had an actual reason for having left the island beyond his comic relief. It's always good to lend even the silliest of characters some element of gravitas.
Hey, who knows, maybe he's making shit up to try to distract from it. Hopefully that's it.

JadedWriter said:
I need to start HxH as well. Is that as good as Yu Yu Hakusho?
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It is both better and worse.

Togashi's great enemy has always been his motivation and attention span. The overall pacing of HxH is off. First you spend it on these wacky adventures, but then he decided he wanted an actual combat system, so we get nen. Then he decided he wanted to do a revenge arc that established deliberate antagonists to the series. But then he got bored with that and decided to do a videogame arc. Then once that was done, he wanted to do something else entirely, and that's around where the breaks really started, and you can see his attention span break within the arc itself, if you know where he took his breaks. It was particularly obvious during the ant arc where it seems the villain was killed, but then he actually survived and that's when the break happened, and then he came back and thought "Oh, shit, I don't want to deal with him again" so it turned out he killed him after all. The antagonist he set up have been in limbo, hanging around and doing minor stuff, but not having any plot relevance, for as long as Guts has been on the boat.

But the moment to moment shit? God, it's great. I have no idea how he is able to take so many obvious DO NOT DO THIS tropes of storytelling and make them work within the narrative. If there is anybody in the manga world that can be described as Brilliant But Lazy, it's Togashi. If he somehow had the motivation of Oda or the Fairy Tale guy, we would have the best shonen manga on our hands.

I feel that the Dark Tournament saga was the most focused long term arc that Togashi has ever done. In terms of technical writing, that was him at his best. That said, I think Hunter x Hunter has a greater variety of really awesome moments and characters. Maybe not MORE awesome, but definitely in it's level, and in greater amount. So it's very close in quality. And Meruem is one of the best manga characters ever, despite the ADHD pacing of the thing.
 
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JadedWriter

Member
Veelk said:
It is both better and worse.

Togashi's great enemy has always been his motivation and attention span. The overall pacing of HxH is off. First you spend it on these wacky adventures, but then he decided he wanted an actual combat system, so we get nen. Then he decided he wanted to do a revenge arc that established deliberate antagonists to the series. But then he got bored with that and decided to do a videogame arc. Then once that was done, he wanted to do something else entirely, and that's around where the breaks really started, and you can see his attention span break within the arc itself, if you know where he took his breaks. It was particularly obvious during the ant arc where it seems the villain was killed, but then he actually survived and that's when the break happened, and then he came back and thought "Oh, shit, I don't want to deal with him again" so it turned out he killed him after all. The antagonist he set up have been in limbo, hanging around and doing minor stuff, but not having any plot relevance, for as long as Guts has been on the boat.

But the moment to moment shit? God, it's great. I have no idea how he is able to take so many obvious DO NOT DO THIS tropes of storytelling and make them work within the narrative. If there is anybody in the manga world that can be described as Brilliant But Lazy, it's Togashi. If he somehow had the motivation of Oda or the Fairy Tale guy, we would have the best shonen manga on our hands.

I feel that the Dark Tournament saga was the most focused long term arc that Togashi has ever done. In terms of technical writing, that was him at his best. That said, I think Hunter x Hunter has a greater variety of really awesome moments and characters. Maybe not MORE awesome, but definitely in it's level, and in greater amount. So it's very close in quality. And Meruem is one of the best manga characters ever, despite the ADHD pacing of the thing.
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I guess Togashi takes breaks cause he can afford to, it's the only thing that makes sense to me. I want to watch the anime but I heard it's unfinished any way. I actually only think YYH falls apart at the tail end of the spirit world tournament arc and even then people changed because they had to and the changes were still pretty believable and in character. Chapter Black is actually pretty legit even if the first half is kind of like a "stand of the week" arc. Sensui is still a pretty creative villain in his own right and not as "simplistic" as Toguro, even though Toguro had some depth too.
 
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MetroidPrimeRib

Banned
I feel like there is now hope Berserk will actually finish at some point.
None for HxH though, there hasn't been a chapter this entire year, Togashi has at least managed a chapter a year. Not this time.
 
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