No month has been even hinted at by Square Enix, officially it's "early" 2016.
February-March sounds more plausible.
No need to rush things, I want a features-packed PC version.
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"Microsoft and Square are very happy with Rise and the dev team" says Brian Horton
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No month has been even hinted at by Square Enix, officially it's "early" 2016.
February-March sounds more plausible.
No need to rush things, I want a features-packed PC version.
I'm not sure they don't apply simply because you say they don't. But yeah, a longer discussion of the story and it's themes/issues/shortcomings isn't the topic here.
Fair point. This doesn't entirely disagree with my original point though which was that Lara comes off as the bad guy for a considerable part of the story. Similarly, that also relates back to my FC3 comparison where the writer claimed the story was a deconstruction of white savior narrative instead of a poorly written mess. Is Lara a well-written, imperialistic, culturally-insensitive Brit or does the story just happen to bumble into lazy tropes? But, again, this veers off-topic. This seems like a subject that might be discussed if interest in the game wasn't flat-lining already.
Outside of passion why would they do that? It's not like it's helping them sell systems.
yanipheonu
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LOL I legitimately didn't know what "Rise" was referring to until I checked the full quote.
It's a bit telling that I thought of Ryse, a mediocre launch title, rather than Tomb Raider. I've been surprised how hard its been for me to be excited for it.
Feels like it should have been a spring release or something, I'd be more inclined to be hyped if I wasn't still trying to get through Fallout 4 and Bloodborne: The Old Hunters.
It's a bit telling that I thought of Ryse, a mediocre launch title, rather than Tomb Raider. I've been surprised how hard its been for me to be excited for it.
Feels like it should have been a spring release or something, I'd be more inclined to be hyped if I wasn't still trying to get through Fallout 4 and Bloodborne: The Old Hunters.
Chiaroscuro
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Well, I just got my copy on retail today, 40% off.
CrichtonKicks
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Maybe post about it in the OT? It's an interesting topic.
Right now, to be blunt, it doesn't look like a valuable IP if restricted to Xbox. It is a potentially valuable brand though do IMO SE would be nuts to sell it. Mind you I thought they were nuts to make the deal they did so who knows. I suspect though MS will watch how Gears performs before buying any more IP like TR. Minecraft for all devices is one thing but an IP that's exclusive but doesn't actually move systems is fairly low value.
On topic comments from Devs make sense. They made a critically liked game that seems good from the little I've dabbled in it. Of course they probably feel good about that. I doubt they feel good about the sales but clearly the Devs aren't going to speak out on that subject.
I mean SE is dumb, but they aren't that dumb. IP's are always more valuable than selling them off for quick short term gains. The IP isn't in that bad of a place (yet) but it's more valuable to hold on to it, wait a while, do another reboot (if they thought it was in a bad place) than to sell it. Look at Activision and the Crash IP. That thing is more than dead, but they won't sell it because at some point it can come around and make them money.
Companies almost never sell their IP unless they are offered a ludicrous amount of money or they are going bankrupt. Gears was an anomaly since epic seems to be exiting the normal console market.
I know it's cool to act like you know more than you're letting on but tons of companies don't release sales data.
So are there any numbers on how many consoles this game actually sold?
Did people just run like crazy to get an Xbox one just for this game?
Did it actually move any consoles?
We don't know how much money SE got for this timed-exclusive, maybe they got so much that it doesn't' really matter if the game fails sales-wise.....
...but Micosoft can't seriously be happy about this.
This has to be a bad decision for them and a waste of money....
Did people just run like crazy to get an Xbox one just for this game?
Did it actually move any consoles?
We don't know how much money SE got for this timed-exclusive, maybe they got so much that it doesn't' really matter if the game fails sales-wise.....
...but Micosoft can't seriously be happy about this.
This has to be a bad decision for them and a waste of money....
Yeah, I might spend some time in the OT later. It's an absolute shame people are here discussing whether the series has a future as opposed to dissecting the story or the fantastic gameplay. CD may be "happy" with Rise but I doubt this is what they were hoping for upon release.
That's actually the one part of Rise Lara's characterisation that reminded me a little of the real, original Lara (meaing the one featured in TR1-6 before Crystal ruined her from Legend onwards and then again with the reboot). Lara was never really a hero, she was always a bit of a selfish bitch who didn't give a fuck about others and only had her own amusement and curiousity in mind. I mean, there were a few exceptions here and there and she wasn't totally "evil" or anything but that was basically (part of) her attitude. Still, I'm not a huge fan of her characterisation in Rise because she really just came across as too generic and boring. Sort of like they were afraid of really making any sort of bold decision regarding her personality and character development because they didn't want to step on anyone's toes. EDIT: Also, she just felt too Mary Sue-ish in Rise, IMO. Not in terms of her abilities (obviously, she's superhuman when it comes to that, as are most action-adventure protagonists) but in terms of her personality, morals, etc.
Outside of people who specifically opted for the Best Buy exclusive bundle, there is no way to know. How would you gauge it when people would also be buying an Xbox One for Halo 5, Black Ops III, and Fallout 4? Some people buy a system for one game, other people wait two years for a bunch of games to appear. MGS V, Destiny Taken King, Fallout 4, Black Ops III, and Star Wars Battlefront are going to help move both systems, some helping more than others based on promotional deals, bundles, or DLC windows.
ProfessorMoran
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They would have to buy CD as well, then we'll see how long CD would last in that ecosystem.
But given the underperformance in sales, they probably wouldn't contemplate it now.
To be fair, the underperformance (if the numbers floating around are somewhat accurate) was caused by Microsoft themselves as they didn't promote the game properly and chose a shitty release date for it.
But as we're on the topic of crazy, outlandish theories, here's mine:
Microsoft never wanted Rise to succeed. They're working on their own treasure hunter action-adventure game and wanted to weaken the competition a bit before announcing it.
TrueOutlook
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I can see how Square Enix would be happy, as they probably made a lot more off it through Microsoft, although I can't really see how Microsoft would be equally as happy.
Mind you, I think the quote was more about the quality of the game instead of the actual sales numbers, I think the companies would have quite differentiating views on that.
Mind you, I think the quote was more about the quality of the game instead of the actual sales numbers, I think the companies would have quite differentiating views on that.
Can you point to where Spencer said he wanted an Uncharted IP? I remember him saying he wanted to fill a genre gap in his portfolio, but nothing so specific as to point directly to the Uncharted IP.
Triggerhappytel
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I can understand there being some bitterness from PC and PS4 owners not wanting to buy the game at full price because they've been given the middle finger and had the game held back for 6/12 months. I would certainly feel disinclined to pay the full £45-ish when this comes to PS4, and there's not going to be any rush to buy it as I always have a sizeable backlog to tide me over.
Hasn't it just hit 30 million after two years? I think you're overestimating if you think it's likely to sell another 30 million in the next year. If anything I suspect its pace will slow down a little.
EDIT regarding the post above:
Well, you know what the answer to that is: build or buy a studio and get them developing an original action adventure. You know - like Shangheist.
Green Yoshi
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It's a nice swan song for Xbox 360 ten years after its launch.
But the next Tomb Raider should be a PS4/One/PC game from the beginning.
But the next Tomb Raider should be a PS4/One/PC game from the beginning.
User 479360
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They should be happy. It's a great game.
I hope it'll start selling like hotcakes for them, but it's too bad it's not. And that he has to avoid talking about it.
I hope it'll start selling like hotcakes for them, but it's too bad it's not. And that he has to avoid talking about it.
XAMOEL_ART
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it was a okey game to me
People are reading into these sales numbers waaayyy too much.
Does anyone here, actually know, what Microsoft paid Square Enix for timed exclusivity?
Plus, it will come out on PS4 and PC so Square Enix wont be giving a f**k until they see what sales performance is on those platforms.
It's microsoft who has lost out on the deal. Which is why Spencer, said he won't do this again.
Forget about alienation, this is pure business folks.
Does anyone here, actually know, what Microsoft paid Square Enix for timed exclusivity?
Plus, it will come out on PS4 and PC so Square Enix wont be giving a f**k until they see what sales performance is on those platforms.
It's microsoft who has lost out on the deal. Which is why Spencer, said he won't do this again.
Forget about alienation, this is pure business folks.
Nightengale
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I don't mind terrible opinions, but 3 out of 4 of those tweets are either flat out wrong or tales from the arse.
Chobel
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Oh look, another journalist defending this exclusivity deal. That moment they fall out of touch with the consumer.
Somehow developing on one platform (actually two) actually cut your budget by 70%.
EDIT: Wait a sec, does he think it sold 30% of the previous one or it sold 30% less units? Because if the later, LMFAO!!!
Triggerhappytel
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Oh look, another journalist defending this exclusivity deal. That moment they fall out of touch with the consumer.
I've made the mistake of getting into a conversation/argument with him. He's speculating that RotTR sold only 30% less copies than TR2013.
Nightengale
Member
It's not worth it when people refuse to use facts and rational hypothesis for their argument.
The dev team shipped a game they're proud of. For all intent and purposes they succeeded like he said. I don't think there is much shade thrown around that fact.
I guess sales and its exclusivity make up the bulk of the conversation surrounding ROTR which some may or may not like but that's got to be expected given the profile of the franchise and the events surrounding it. Just the way it's.
I guess sales and its exclusivity make up the bulk of the conversation surrounding ROTR which some may or may not like but that's got to be expected given the profile of the franchise and the events surrounding it. Just the way it's.
lolosgolos
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The media reviews, user reviews, Microsoft, Square and myself are all very happy with the game. In my book everybody wins
SensibleSucker
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As an owner of both consoles, it hasn't really impacted on me, but I'd hope that this exclusivity deal was just a stop gap until MS do develop their own alternative to Uncharted.
I think they see Quantum Break as a step in that direction. Third person/platform/shooter. Make no mistake, Uncharted may have puzzles in, but it's definitely a shooter.
I think they see Quantum Break as a step in that direction. Third person/platform/shooter. Make no mistake, Uncharted may have puzzles in, but it's definitely a shooter.
I think similar, because I believe the franchise will continue and a decrease in budget from the AAA space basically means they're not trying anymore. They already have a downloadable Tomb Raider (and the second one was not received successfully), so moving this out of the AAA space pretty much ensures REALLY no one cares anymore.
I mean, I think this is a very good game, but it's still a good game that makes spectacle a big part of its appeal. Take away the spectacle and you have a game that appeals to people like me who liked actual Tomb Raider. Most people continue to believe those games sucked LOL b/c controls r bad!!1
You want the franchise dead won't you?
It will die if that happens. I guess if they bought Crystal too perhaps it may work...but still, it will decline tremendously.
Not a chance in hell however. There is nothing MS can prop up that will take Uncharted's thunder away. Hec, not even Halo these days. It's a Naughty Dog game first and foremost......not so much the product as the team behind it.
Norwegian_Imposter
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The fact this statement is out shows that the opposite is true, in my opinion of course!
Oh look, another journalist defending this exclusivity deal. That moment they fall out of touch with the consumer.
I especially like the last tweet:
'Let's pull a random number out of thin air and say it means everything is great!'
Real shame about this game tho. From most accounts it's a good-great game, and I really liked the DE so am among the few who are happy to wait for the PS4 version.
But damn this was a level of stupid beyond the normal. Exclusivity on a platform that accounted for 30% of the predecessor's sale and then release it in the middle of an overpacked holiday schedule...
Triggerhappytel
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I'm still arguing with the guy. He's even started the "but digital" argument, and he's saying the commonly accepted 20% digital software sales is nonsense and that number grows by double figures YOY.
He told chobel that digital sales are 50% for big games. Lol
Welfare
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Triggerhappytel
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Yep. I'm asking him for some evidence to support that claim for the third time. He cannot provide it but apparently it's "getting close".
Nightengale
Member
Have you provided him links to publishers investor statements?
lol.. he did call us "Braks" ... whatever that means..
Triggerhappytel
Member
Yep, I'm done with this. He genuinely thinks this deal benefited everyone, and we can't criticise the minutiae of the deal because we don't know the terms between SE and MS. Apparently if someone buys an Xbone in part because they're interested in RotTR but then end up not buying Tomb Raider, that's evidence that the deal was good for MS - even if RotTR's sales are bad. I just... I can't even. The guy feels like he's only got publisher interested in mind.
EvilAlPacino
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What makes this guy wrong? Because he posts something that some of you don't agree with?
IncognitoPanda
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Or game copies, apparently. Zing!