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Digitimes Rumor: Nintendo to ship 10-12m NX units in 2016, mass production in Q2
- Thread starter killercow
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But identical numbers. Numbers that don't make sense based on how 3DS/Wii U launched. And launching a new device within half a year, when nothing is yet known about it (while they market things like Splatoon for a year, and Xenoblade X for 2+ years). While their mobile games were delayed by half a year. Nothing makes sense here.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
I for one am excited.
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if you frame everything in the context of 'wii u is a failure and it needs immediate help, but nx is the biggest priority,' things start making more sense. the wii u was a known failure inside nintendo as of december 2012, leading to the january 2013 direct. this was an effort to show the wii u actually had shit coming out (and should have been shown at e3 2012).
2013 is the year nintendo wildly missed all expectations for wii u. january 2014 is the earliest iwata started talking about nx. i suspect this is also when resources were being split between generations (retro and ead tokyo moving to nx) and smaller projects were put in the pipeline, leading to stuff like splatoon and super mario maker. nintendo would have known at this point when they wanted nx out, but they needed to make a big deal about their existing lineup, which they did to a fair degree of success all things considered.
regarding the numbers, i don't think the 10 million number is crazy, and it kind of reflects what the wii u and 3ds would have done if they'd hit their initial targets (and if the 3ds was out several months earlier). the 20 million number definitely is bonkers, and it's only the sort of thing i can imagine in the event that nintendo's planning several models at launch and for many more regions across the world than just japan/north america/other.
Bioshocker
Member
This seems to be happening sooner than I originally thought. But it's for the best they put Wii U to sleep sooner rather than later.
If the expected sales numbers are correct then this will have to be something different than an ordinary console like PS4 and Xbox One. Which seems likely. Nintendo has probably realized it can't compete with Microsoft and Sony tech wise, online wise and with third party support. They'll be playing their own game, likely trying to attract mobile gamers.
Then the question is where Amiibo will fit in all of this. I can't image anything else than Nintendo wanting to exand their Amiibo business further.
If the expected sales numbers are correct then this will have to be something different than an ordinary console like PS4 and Xbox One. Which seems likely. Nintendo has probably realized it can't compete with Microsoft and Sony tech wise, online wise and with third party support. They'll be playing their own game, likely trying to attract mobile gamers.
Then the question is where Amiibo will fit in all of this. I can't image anything else than Nintendo wanting to exand their Amiibo business further.
With how much they keep bringing up the whole "wait until 2016" business, Nintendo Direct on January 1st 12:01 AM or bust.
They shouldn't pad the launch window with games like Steel Diver, Pilotwings Resort or any of the generic 3rd party games 3DS had, that era is long gone. Physical releases should only be big expected names while everything else is eShop or physical versions of popular indie titles like Shovel Knight.
Possumowner
Member
Start your engines folks....ITS COMING.Prepare to be amazed.....or disappointed,or both
For most people, the last Nintendo consoel they bought was the Wii 7 years ago.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
I agree with you, hardware and software wise, for the most part... Why not entirely? When you have companies like Apple flaunting their current FY target of 50% profit margins you might feel a bit gouged, not that they do not deserve their profits and the taxes they ought to pay (lovely how they are taking tons of debt to avoid bringing the money in and paying taxes on it...), but it makes you feel uneasy.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Well a few million people that are quite hardcore Nintendo fans bought the Wii U and Nintendo could have supported it a lot more... and it is killing it early too. I think they should treat their fan base with a bit more love.
NX is doomed the second they announce a price. The PS4 and XO are already under £250 with big games included. I saw Wii U's most common Black Friday deal was Mario Kart and Splatoon for £225. If they can't compete with their current system how on earth will a new piece of hardware at a higher cost entice customers. They've lost the casual GTA/Fifa market forever and thats where a lot of the industries money comes from. People who like games but don't love them.
i actually can't tell if this is sarcasm or not.
This is at least partly true, and it is the main reason why Nintendo can't simply release a powerful conventional console. They have to add a USP to make the product seem essential. That will be the really interesrting thing to see; What do Nintendo think they can market as an essential 'hook' for consumers? They miscalculated majorly with WiiU and the mass market simply didn't 'need' off-TV play like they hoped (partly due to poor advertising in my view, but several other factors included).
A decently powerful (read: ~XBone to PS4 ballpark) is a given imo. That should be the bare minimum of what this console is. But what I'm really excited to see is how Nintendo thinks they can differentiate it from its contemporaries this time round. They have a lot of ground to gain ahead of them...
frankie_baby
Member
Looking at my Wii U games shelf it looks to me like Nintendo supported it fantastically
BladeoftheImmortal
Member
It's not killer apps that they are missing, it's good 3rd party support. Good 1st party output only gets you so far.
Xbox was out for like 4 years and got killed and the 360 didn't suffer from it so I don't think NX will suffer either
The Dutch Slayer
Member
IF they want to launch in 2016 sure the mass production starting in Q2 I can get but the 10+ mil when you last system just hit 10 mil is just insane.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
Me too.
Sega was pumping out those systems every 2 to 3 years like clockwork. But they were rarely compatible and often not supported well. They tried to catch lightning and lost focus. Dream cast had real effort in it, but at that point they lost too much money to see it through.
Nintendo has always had 5 or 6 year cycles. Them, for one single time, having a 4 year cycle... Wouldn't be killer. OG Xbox had a 4 year cycle - did anyone claim the 360 would bomb because of it?
If the NX bombs, it's because Nintendo failed to appeal. Not because a system few own was replaced a year earlier than usual.
It seems too soon, not because of the WiiU situation, but because we haven´t heard about a single game for it. Nintendo stated that they thought one of the main problems with WiiU was that they left the launch window for 3rd parties and we saw how that went, launching the NX now without a proper lineup and an enticing game release schedule for the following months will be repeating the same mistakes again...
This only makes sense to me if the NX is truly a hybrid (prettu much confirmed at this point) and this release is only of the hanheld component, with the home console to come a bit later.
This only makes sense to me if the NX is truly a hybrid (prettu much confirmed at this point) and this release is only of the hanheld component, with the home console to come a bit later.
People keep overlooking this.....
Dagobert Duck
Member
This is Nintendo, to this day, the only problem I ever had with a Nintendo Console, was the Wii, cause of a glitch in Twillight Princess. My NES is still running strong...
Well for one, it's probable that the NX won't be shifting with an extra bit of kit that costs £100 in itself.
Spieler Eins
Member
Cutting off the Wii U isn't something that could piss off people, because the existence of such a bad Nintendo console already alienated most people a long time ago. They even lost their standard Nintendo fans, considering that Wii U's barely gonna reach half of GCN LTD. The few people that still play/defend the console at this point are guaranteed on NX day 1, be real. People who actually constitute a necessary userbase however probably don't even know what a Wii U is or rightfully wouldn't ever spend a dime on something as flawed as the Wii U. This console needs to be swept under the rug asap, while artificially dragging it through another year for a few fanboys wouldn't help anyone.
If NX looks really good, they could even cancel the Wii U version of Zelda and not many people would truly make an outcry.
GhostTrick
Banned
Agreed. I'd say Wii U's biggest failure isn't the loss of the mass market or the casual crowd, but the loss of half their fans since GC days. These fans are still on 3DS, althought this one has been dead this year. They better start gaining these people back if they want to do something with NX. Because the actual userbase happy with their Wii U purchase won't make a lot for NX.
Actually, people bring it up all the time (rightfully so).
The problem is, getting the third parties on board (everybody know people buy nintendo systems for Nintendo games). Only ways I can see it happening: 1) they pay them a lot of money (which uses money they could use on their own games), 2) they sell a lot of systems on their own brand (like the wii, but it's risky to bank on it), or 3) partnerships and collaborations (this is what they've been doing recently, at least with Japanese devs, but their western presence is weak).
They also need a system that's easy to port.
DaSorcerer7
Member
Well, the product hasn't been officially unveiled to the public yet, so its not surprising that software hasn't been announced. What we do know is that 3rd parties started receiving dev kits a couple months ago.
GhostTrick
Banned
They want to ship these units in 2016 yes, it does't mean they plan to sell all of them in 2 months. And that's likely for two platforms.
You do have a point...
gamergirly
Member
As long as they don't announce Wii U Three, they got a good shot at whatever they come out with
wild wild rice
Member
This is exciting. A year from now I'll likely have my hands on a new Nintendo...thing.
Then I am excited.
DaSorcerer7
Member
MoogleWizard
Member
If it launches with Spla2n, I will buy it day one.
slavesnyder
Member
I don't think people realize how precarious Nintendo's position is here.
If the console is powerful the price is going to be too high.
If the console is weak they get no ports and are derided by the core gamers yet again.
And then there's the elephant in the room, mobile.
I honestly don't know what the right answer is. They'll sell initially to the remaining Nintendo fans, no one questions that. What is a mystery is how they stop their marketshare slide and grow again.
If the console is powerful the price is going to be too high.
If the console is weak they get no ports and are derided by the core gamers yet again.
And then there's the elephant in the room, mobile.
I honestly don't know what the right answer is. They'll sell initially to the remaining Nintendo fans, no one questions that. What is a mystery is how they stop their marketshare slide and grow again.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
Clickable sticks confirmed.
I know it'd upset some Wii U owners, and I get that, but if I'm buying this thing anywhere near launch it'll need the latest Zelda at bare minimum. I've mostly fallen out of love with the few Nintendo franchises I ever even liked to begin with; Zelda is pretty much all that's left, but if I could get a local thing going again then I'd add Smash to that list, and there's always the slim possibility of Pokemon somehow appealing to me again, but I've never cared to catch 'em all (not even when I was 10) so idk.
Anyway, I suppose this isn't really the thread for personal feelings on the matter. 10-12 million shipped, eh? That's a lot of... shipping... Nintendo. The Jack O'Neill/Samantha Carter of console ship-teasing. I certainly don't see it all selling through with real speed.
Anyway, I suppose this isn't really the thread for personal feelings on the matter. 10-12 million shipped, eh? That's a lot of... shipping... Nintendo. The Jack O'Neill/Samantha Carter of console ship-teasing. I certainly don't see it all selling through with real speed.
Petrae
Member
...and the WiiU's failure can be partially attributed to this.
Without third-party support, a Nintendo console becomes a secondary (or even tertiary) piece of hardware in most consumer scenarios. Unless the box is at a very low price, it's simply not going to have wide appeal. It will probably still be a realistic choice for families with younger children, and staunch Nintendo fans will still probably eat it up... but these groups alone aren't going to make Nintendo competitive.
The problem for Nintendo is that third-party publishers have gone most of this generation ignoring its console and have not lost a step. Unless NX can create another Wii scenario and sell like gangbusters early, third-party publishers don't have any impetus to spend money and resources on it.
Sometimes I wonder if the Wii U was intended as a stopgap of sorts. The unified platform has probably been in the works for a long time - Iwata has been dropping hints for years, and didn't the new development building start five years ago? And if the NX handheld and console can interact, the UPad could make sense as a transition, as well as the large number of Wii/Wii U ports on the 3DS. Maybe Nintendo expected they could ride this generation out and coast until the NX was ready.
Of course, that doesn't mean they intended the Wii U to flop like it did - they probably expected at least N64-level sales. Their mistakes (well, not the only ones) were a general overconfidence where they expected hardcore Nintendo fans and casual carryover from the Wii would be enough for at least a moderate success, and not being prepared for the difficulties of HD development. The bottom falling on the EA partnership sure didn't help either.
Milly Osworth
Member
I wonder what it will look like.
Minimalistic black/white or unique.
Minimalistic black/white or unique.