KidGalactus
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Don't think there is any way it comes out next year.
Handheld, maybe.
Handheld, maybe.
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Digitimes Rumor: Nintendo to ship 10-12m NX units in 2016, mass production in Q2
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Jorok Goldblade
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Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.
Handheld 2016, home console 2017.
Handheld 2016, home console 2017.
Dr. Feel Good
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I personally believe that the shift to DS XL having a similar form factor to the Wii U game pad was already proof they were thinking of alinging the platforms. That's something like 6 years ago.
Fourth Storm
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They've got Dragon Quest late next year in Japan on 3DS. Between that and their strategy to cater to more female gamers, I can see them stretching out the 3DS lifespan until 2017. It's a profitable platform for them, even if it is declining, and they can whip up software fairly quickly in order to support it through the next year.
Davey Cakes
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I can see late Summer for handheld, Fall/November for the console. At the earliest.
Or they'll release at the same time. I'm thinking November is the target for both. Nintendo probably wants to start off with a bang during the holidays. Then again, the competition will be fierce at the time.
Honestly, it's anyone's guess. We're talking about matters of readiness on Nintendo's and developers' parts, as well as matters of timing.
The Nintendo dreams in this thread are precious.
I'm looking forward to the endless threads of 'The NX is really more powerful than the Xbox One, this twitter post says so!' whenever it comes out that the NX is very modest in terms of specs.
Just keep your expectations in check. Nintendo can do some amazing stuff, but they can also completely bungle a launch (and product) like no other.
I'm looking forward to the endless threads of 'The NX is really more powerful than the Xbox One, this twitter post says so!' whenever it comes out that the NX is very modest in terms of specs.
Just keep your expectations in check. Nintendo can do some amazing stuff, but they can also completely bungle a launch (and product) like no other.
This isn't business or even critical thinking at all. It's the console that would come out first, even though I think it's a dual launch.
Yeah I've posted points like this in previous NX threads.
Assuming a standard three year AAA dev cycle and announced software so far, by holiday 2016 these studios will should have games ready:
3D Mario Team
Retro
Zelda Team
Pikmin team
Pokemon team
Imagine the first six months of the NX handheld and console having those IP's and maybe even Mario and Zelda at launch?
edit: can't find gif, nvm ;_; Wii U 5th element gif
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Looking back at threads for games that were once Wii U exclusive (for example Zombi), so many were "waiting" for the game to get multiplatform instead of going to get/play the game even if some do own a Wii U now.
So, Nintendo could have the best lineup ever for a console/handheld and people would find reasons, aka "i love Nintendo games, but don't want a console" or "game xyz is not going to stay exclusive" or "inferior version on Nintendo consoles".
To change minds, Nintendo has to delivery for at least a whole generation, with exclusive games, with third party games (multi) and with online infrastructure and services. Not saying it's not possible, but ... man that's hard.
Another round of shenanigans by EA and/or Ubisoft could already dampen every effort ...
But i'm still there day one, as always since the N64!
Btw. John Harker and Blu, nice to see that you are excited, should we be excited, too?
Regarding the price for the home console:
Everyone says if it's $350 (or more) it's dead, but... does the price really matter? Does anyone here see any way a Nintendo home console can compete with the PS4 or XB1 at any realistic price? Because I sure as hell don't.
So as far as I'm concerned, the price is irrelevant in comparison to whether they find some ridiculous Wiimote-like idea that well sell boxes on its own. If they don't have that, it'll be Wii U 2: Low Sales Boogaloo without question. No 'specs', no price, not even good 3rd party support will change that.
And I don't see that revolutionary gimmick happening again, which I guess is my point. I don't see Nintendo succeeding in the home console business in a big way ever again.
But that's alright, because I'm convinced that 75%+ of those 10-12M units being discussed here are handhelds, and I absolutely can see a way that such a product could be a big success. The console version should be supplementary.
Everyone says if it's $350 (or more) it's dead, but... does the price really matter? Does anyone here see any way a Nintendo home console can compete with the PS4 or XB1 at any realistic price? Because I sure as hell don't.
So as far as I'm concerned, the price is irrelevant in comparison to whether they find some ridiculous Wiimote-like idea that well sell boxes on its own. If they don't have that, it'll be Wii U 2: Low Sales Boogaloo without question. No 'specs', no price, not even good 3rd party support will change that.
And I don't see that revolutionary gimmick happening again, which I guess is my point. I don't see Nintendo succeeding in the home console business in a big way ever again.
But that's alright, because I'm convinced that 75%+ of those 10-12M units being discussed here are handhelds, and I absolutely can see a way that such a product could be a big success. The console version should be supplementary.
Heheheh..
I'm certain to be in the minority here, but man, these rumors are quite disheartening to me as someone who really wished the Wii U would get a full year or more of support with more great, big releases like Splatoon and Super Mario Maker. (Zelda at the very least still needs to come exclusively as not to break the inherent promise of buying a new Nintendo console: getting an exclusive big new Mario and Zelda game. And no, a shared game between Wii U and NX doesn't count in my view.)
I'll probably buy the next console anyway, being a lifelong Nintendo enthusiast, but the way the Wii U has come and almost gone because of Nintendo's own lacklustre marketing/branding and the world's general disinterest (or even prejudice in some cases as far as actual "gamers" go), it'll take some time for me to really trust in the patented Nintendo turnaround when I jump in with the NX and the inevitable "Nintendo blew it again" naysaying starts again.
I'll probably buy the next console anyway, being a lifelong Nintendo enthusiast, but the way the Wii U has come and almost gone because of Nintendo's own lacklustre marketing/branding and the world's general disinterest (or even prejudice in some cases as far as actual "gamers" go), it'll take some time for me to really trust in the patented Nintendo turnaround when I jump in with the NX and the inevitable "Nintendo blew it again" naysaying starts again.
megabytecr
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To each their own, for me Wii U delivered. I have 15 full games + eshop and great VC titles.
And I still need to get Bayo 1+2, Captain Toad (hopefully rectifying that this week), Yoshi's Wooly World, Kirby and TRC, Smash, Super Mario Maker, Splatoon, Xenoblade, Metroid Prime Collection and Hyrule Warriors, plus Star Fox and both coming Zeldas. That is a lot for me, probably lots to play even well into the NX release. I have decided to squeeze everything out of the Wii U.
I will get the NX, but after I play every major Wii U game.
And I still need to get Bayo 1+2, Captain Toad (hopefully rectifying that this week), Yoshi's Wooly World, Kirby and TRC, Smash, Super Mario Maker, Splatoon, Xenoblade, Metroid Prime Collection and Hyrule Warriors, plus Star Fox and both coming Zeldas. That is a lot for me, probably lots to play even well into the NX release. I have decided to squeeze everything out of the Wii U.
I will get the NX, but after I play every major Wii U game.
Jorok Goldblade
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You're thinking about stopping the bleeding and competing in this generation. I'm thinking about putting Nintendo in the best position to compete next generation.
Holiday 2016 is three years after the launch of PS4 and XBox One. That would be a mid-generation launch. They would be competing directly with consoles that have had three years to build their user base.
Holiday 2017 is four years past the launch of the competition. Assuming we're going back to the average 5 year cycle, and also assuming the rumors are true that Nintendo is actually building a powerful console, this puts them one year ahead of the launch of the PS5 and third X-Box, an opportunity to get a jump on the next generation.
Sure since Zelda U will probably be a direct port with an increase in resolution and AA most likely. 3D Mario will be there launch day.
If they're excited that means the NX is at least meeting their expectations.Looking back at threads for games that were once Wii U exclusive (for example Zombi), so many were "waiting" for the game to get multiplatform instead of going to get/play the game even if some do own a Wii U now.
So, Nintendo could have the best lineup ever for a console/handheld and people would find reasons, aka "i love Nintendo games, but don't want a console" or "game xyz is not going to stay exclusive" or "inferior version on Nintendo consoles".
To change minds, Nintendo has to delivery for at least a whole generation, with exclusive games, with third party games (multi) and with online infrastructure and services. Not saying it's not possible, but ... man that's hard.
Another round of shenanigans by EA and/or Ubisoft could already dampen every effort ...
But i'm still there day one, as always since the N64!
Btw. John Harker and Blu, nice to see that you are excited, should we be excited, too?
I think the Wii U had more problems than just branding and marketing.
And honestly, it just didn't pan out. That happens. I didn't get my Metroid game, either. But you're also not guaranteed anything when you get a console. You obviously hope it's as relevant for as long as possible. There's inherent risk in buying consoles. I think Nintendo did an admirable job keeping the thing afloat as long as they could; they knew they made a mistake.
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wild wild rice
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Yeah, consider my question more of a bad attempt to lure some more cryptic comments out of them.
Guess I failed to decrypt the original comments.
quackamole
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This is basically it. Me and most of my circle of friends own xbox or ps4 and/or pc for our gaming. We are not interested in the usual nintendo offerings. What will they do to get our attention?
wild wild rice
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How about a little non-wearable QoL device? Eh? Eh?
They NEED to get ready all the big games they can once NX launches if they want to have a succesful launch. A brand 3D Mario and a Zelda port of Zelda U would be more than perfect on day one and from there, a big 1st party game each month for the first six months of the console. Otherwise they would have to do another panic mode Direct to apologize for the lack of games and everything would be ruined ala Wii U
quackamole
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I don't think we will see much of their QOL stuff for the next few years. And I have a suspecison Apple and Google will move into the arena and eat nintendos lunch.
Plinko
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That's certainly Nintendo's biggest challenge. And the most difficult as well. The only genuine and realistic way Nintendo could do to attract the core gamers is by making exclusive 3rd party deals just like they did with Bayonetta 2.
And by actually promote the damn game this time as well...
megabytecr
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I think that they are doing the right thing by having most games release on both hardware (handheld + console).
Imagine if the Wii U had its lineup and also could play 3DS games with some advance effects and higher resolution (they will figure something out). That is huge, fixes there problems with the droughts. I also think that they will be a bit more aggressive with collaborations.
But in all likelihood, Game Freak's game (probably the X/Y sequel game, which I'm guessing will be called Pokémon Z) will be for the 3DS if we take into account how late they are to support new platforms. Now granted, a point was brought up saying that Game Freak was able to get away with it because most Nintendo handhelds were backwards compatible, but I'm not sure if it'll matter (especially considering that unlike the Wii U, the 3DS did pretty well).
To be fair, they did advertise Bayonetta 2 to a decent degree on Adult Swim & YouTube.
That's because they are different audiences. Not every Zelda fan likes Mario and vice versa. Zelda is much more successful in the west compared to Japan and if they want more western appeal for the NX, Zelda on day one is important.
Also, regarding price, if the first digit isn't a 2 or lower its gonna be a hard sell.
Ninja Scooter
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I'm not sure Bayonetta is that type of game though. It appeals to a much smaller niche/core segment of gamers and it's not going to move units. And more games of that type probably aren't either. What I honestly think Nintendo needs to somehow try to do is attract the more casual audience again because I just don't see how their is a blueprint for them to get the PS/Xbox audience on their side.
But said casual audience is gonna be tough to get back, especially with the rise of mobile gaming.
Now you're getting me excited
You chose an extremely niche game to make a point about Nintendo attracting core gamers. The advertising point is also moot, because anyone who would be interested in bayonetta, certainly knew it already existed.
As much as I love the virtual console, part of me thinks that it won't be a huge deal going forward. Considering that Nintendo gave almost no support after 2009/early 2010 to the Wii and the 3DS and Wii-U launches were horrible at best, I don't think Nintendo cares too much about it anymore.
Plus didn't some companies complain that the cost of porting their games to the virtual console was not worth the effort financially?
Ninja Scooter
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the PS/Xbox audience is honestly going to be just as tough to get back. I just don't see any other road for Nintendo. They have to do something outside the box, something that gets people that normally don't give a shit about Mario or Zelda interested in their console. What that is? I don't know. They were right with waggle. They were dead wrong with a tablet. That's for them and their execs to figure out. I just don't see a plan where they can get, in the next year, people who just spent $300-400 on an Xbox One or PS4 to jump over to their side. People mentioned third party deals, but like what? The Bayonetta thing came to be because Bayonetta is a niche IP that doesn't sell super well, that's really the only reason Nintendo was able to secure it for Wii U. Even Sony with the PS4 selling like hotcakes is barely securing any full on exclusive third parties titles, Nintendo would have no chance. Trying to go head on with that demographic is a huge mistake in my opinion.
secretanchitman
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Coming out next year is too early. Launch it in 2017 with ports of Zelda Wii U and Smash 4 alongside the usual Mario game to start and it'll be successful.
Well unfortunately, it's happening. Nintendo's clearly been slowing down their 3DS & Wii U output for a reason. And all of these reports of the manufacturing of NX devices had to have come from somewhere.
I'm 50/50 on this. I could see it coming next year but Reggie has only confirmed that they will talk more about the NX next year. Plus Nintendo is known for revealing systems a good year before release.
The software is definitely slowing down for Wii-U but 3DS has a decent start to 2016.
Like I said it is a coin flip right now.
But you have to consider that a good chunk of the 3DS's first party output are late localizations. Either those, lower-budget/lower-profile games, or Pokémon Z. Basically said late localizations, alongside third party games, are making the Nintendo's 3DS output next year look less sparse than it is.
Omnistalgic
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Gonna build my wiiu library with holiday deals. And just wait and see, kinda done with Nintendos whacky hardware, if they don't get this one right, I'm ready to start tweeting them to just go 3rd party.
Home consoles since SNES have been lackluster in some way. Nintendo gives us rumble, analog sticks, and Mario 64, and then continues to use cartridges, then mini disc, and then a fisher price tablet as a controller. Just hit and miss with hardware. Come on Ninty get it together this time.
Home consoles since SNES have been lackluster in some way. Nintendo gives us rumble, analog sticks, and Mario 64, and then continues to use cartridges, then mini disc, and then a fisher price tablet as a controller. Just hit and miss with hardware. Come on Ninty get it together this time.
Lets be honest here, Nintendo aren't giving up the family friendly image they've made for themselves. Of course putting most of their focus on the core demographic would be a mistake. I imagine that they'll continue trying to net everyone with specific focus on the 'early adopters' at launch with the big first party blockbusters. And core content will come from third party exclusive deals and the odd first party RPG or action adventure. The only real way they can get the core over is to make like Sony and Microsoft and start netting those marketing and exclusive deals, as they've proven to work better than straight up third party exclusive games in sales. Thing is, this wont really mesh well with their family friendly image. Imagine a Battlefield 5 or Call of Duty 15 exclusive marketing campaign under NX. That just sounds crazy and unrealistic.
Perhaps you're in minority here, but I don't think you're a minority in the real world. The Wii U has only 2.5 years as a console now, since virtually all planned Wii U launch titles were delayed at start (only NSMBU and NintendoLand at the start - while Wonderful 101, Wii Fit U, Game & Wario, Pikmin 3 were all delayed). Most casual Wii U users bought their Wii U since the MK8 release. And giving the Wii U users value for their investment is an important focus at Nintendo, according to Iwata's final Q&A to the investors.
We still don't know what the NX is and if it's a replacement to any existing console, but I don't think this NX rumor is true at all. It's the identical rumor that started soon after E3 (on July 02, 2015), and that things like Iwata's passing wouldn't cause any changes to the schedule at all doesn't seem realistic (when mobile gaming got a delay of half a year, for example).
But that doesn't cover my other point. How can we expect Nintendo to reveal a new handheld and console along with fully pushing out their new account and reward system. They have been very quiet of late but I can't see them pulling out all of the stops immediately.
Maybe the handheld is released next year but I still doubt the console is released next year as well.
They've already revealed the latter two. So all that's left is to go into further detail on the new account & reward systems alongside the reveal of the NX devices. While I could see Nintendo stretching the 3DS's life until Early 2017, the Wii U can't last past 2016 if what we know of now is any indication.
I don't get why people think that, due to MyNintendo and Miitomo delay, the console(s) will be delayed too. Especially since that delay was not just due to tuning both of them more, but also due to Nintendo deciding that both of them would need a specific promotion focus, possible only outside the Holiday season.
Besides, Nintendo already launched the first part of this project (Nintendo Account) today in Japan.
Don't forget how the Wii ended in North America. After Donkey Kong County Returns released in November 2010, the only brand new games (not including ports) developed by Nintendo that were released was Skyward Sword and Kirby Return to Dreamland (technically developed by HAL). That was all Nintendo released in the console side for two years. Another such drought wouldn't be unprecedented. It would be bad for Nintendo but not out of the question.