KidGalactus
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Don't think there is any way it comes out next year.
Handheld, maybe.
Handheld, maybe.
Sometimes I wonder if the Wii U was intended as a stopgap of sorts. The unified platform has probably been in the works for a long time - Iwata has been dropping hints for years, and didn't the new development building start five years ago? And if the NX handheld and console can interact, the UPad could make sense as a transition, as well as the large number of Wii/Wii U ports on the 3DS. Maybe Nintendo expected they could ride this generation out and coast until the NX was ready.
Of course, that doesn't mean they intended the Wii U to flop like it did - they probably expected at least N64-level sales. Their mistakes (well, not the only ones) were a general overconfidence where they expected hardcore Nintendo fans and casual carryover from the Wii would be enough for at least a moderate success, and not being prepared for the difficulties of HD development. The bottom falling on the EA partnership sure didn't help either.
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.
Handheld 2016, home console 2017.
I can see late Summer for handheld, Fall/November for the console. At the earliest.Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.
Handheld 2016, home console 2017.
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.
Handheld 2016, home console 2017.
Yeah I've posted points like this in previous NX threads.difference there being that certain teams are going to have to have things ready by next year. ead tokyo is due, retro studios is due. it's zelda's 30th anniversary and pokemon's 20th anniversary. these are games that would have sway at launch big time.
i don't think they're hitting all at once though. pokemon might be a 3ds game based on the precedent of black/white and black/white 2 happening before x/y, but zelda's definitely a launch title and i think we'll have a 3d mario at launch too, with retro's game saved for february or march.
The Nintendo dreams in this thread are precious.
I'm looking forward to the endless threads of 'The NX is really more powerful than the Xbox One, this twitter post says so!' whenever it comes out that the NX is very modest in terms of specs.
Just keep your expectations in check. Nintendo can do some amazing stuff, but they can also completely bungle a launch (and product) like no other.
Yeah I've posted points like this in previous NX threads.
Assuming a standard three year AAA dev cycle and announced software so far, by holiday 2016 these studios will should have games ready:
3D Mario Team
Retro
Zelda Team
Pikmin team
Pokemon team
Imagine the first six months of the NX handheld and console having those IP's and maybe even Mario and Zelda at launch?
Looking back at threads for games that were once Wii U exclusive (for example Zombi), so many were "waiting" for the game to get multiplatform instead of going to get/play the game even if some do own a Wii U now.If that plus some sort of 3rd party support isn't enough to give Nintendo a good start then I don't know what they can do.
Yeah I've posted points like this in previous NX threads.
Assuming a standard three year AAA dev cycle and announced software so far, by holiday 2016 these studios will should have games ready:
3D Mario Team
Retro
Zelda Team
Pikmin team
Pokemon team
Imagine the first six months of the NX handheld and console having those IP's and maybe even Mario and Zelda at launch?
Heheheh..I for one am excited.
This isn't business or even critical thinking at all. It's the console that would come out first, even though I think it's a dual launch.
Sure since Zelda U will probably be a direct port with an increase in resolution and AA most likely. 3D Mario will be there launch day.they aren't just going to drop all of their big games at once
I can see those five games being spread across the first 12 months, if not longer.
3D Mario and Zelda at launch sounds like a pipe dream to me.
If they're excited that means the NX is at least meeting their expectations.Looking back at threads for games that were once Wii U exclusive (for example Zombi), so many were "waiting" for the game to get multiplatform instead of going to get/play the game even if some do own a Wii U now.
So, Nintendo could have the best lineup ever for a console/handheld and people would find reasons, aka "i love Nintendo games, but don't want a console" or "game xyz is not going to stay exclusive" or "inferior version on Nintendo consoles".
To change minds, Nintendo has to delivery for at least a whole generation, with exclusive games, with third party games (multi) and with online infrastructure and services. Not saying it's not possible, but ... man that's hard.
Another round of shenanigans by EA and/or Ubisoft could already dampen every effort ...
But i'm still there day one, as always since the N64!
Btw. John Harker and Blu, nice to see that you are excited, should we be excited, too?
I'm certain to be in the minority here, but man, these rumors are quite disheartening to me as someone who really wished the Wii U would get a full year or more of support with more great, big releases like Splatoon and Super Mario Maker. (Zelda at the very least still needs to come exclusively as not to break the inherent promise of buying a new Nintendo console: getting an exclusive big new Mario and Zelda game. And no, a shared game between Wii U and NX doesn't count in my view.)
I'll probably buy the next console anyway, being a lifelong Nintendo enthusiast, but the way the Wii U has come and almost gone because of Nintendo's own lacklustre marketing/branding and the world's general disinterest (or even prejudice in some cases as far as actual "gamers" go), it'll take some time for me to really trust in the patented Nintendo turnaround when I jump in with the NX and the inevitable "Nintendo blew it again" naysaying starts again.
Yeah, consider my question more of a bad attempt to lure some more cryptic comments out of them.If they're excited that means the NX is at least meeting their expectations.
Yeah, consider my question more of a bad attempt to lure some more cryptic comments out of them.
I don't think people realize how precarious Nintendo's position is here.
If the console is powerful the price is going to be too high.
If the console is weak they get no ports and are derided by the core gamers yet again.
And then there's the elephant in the room, mobile.
I honestly don't know what the right answer is. They'll sell initially to the remaining Nintendo fans, no one questions that. What is a mystery is how they stop their marketshare slide and grow again.
This is basically it. Me and most of my circle of friends own xbox or ps4 and/or pc for our gaming. We are not interested in the usual nintendo offerings. What will they do to get our attention?
they aren't just going to drop all of their big games at once
I can see those five games being spread across the first 12 months, if not longer.
3D Mario and Zelda at launch sounds like a pipe dream to me.
Sure since Zelda U will probably be a direct port with an increase in resolution and AA most likely. 3D Mario will be there launch day.
How about a little non-wearable QoL device? Eh? Eh?
I for one am excited.
Me too.
This is basically it. Me and most of my circle of friends own xbox or ps4 and/or pc for our gaming. We are not interested in the usual nintendo offerings. What will they do to get our attention?
They NEED to get ready all the big games they can once NX launches if they want to have a succesful launch. A brand 3D Mario and a Zelda port of Zelda U would be more than perfect on day one and from there, a big 1st party game each month for the first six months of the console. Otherwise they would have to do another panic mode Direct to apologize for the lack of games and everything would be ruined ala Wii U
But in all likelihood, Game Freak's game (probably the X/Y sequel game, which I'm guessing will be called Pokémon Z) will be for the 3DS if we take into account how late they are to support new platforms. Now granted, a point was brought up saying that Game Freak was able to get away with it because most Nintendo handhelds were backwards compatible, but I'm not sure if it'll matter (especially considering that unlike the Wii U, the 3DS did pretty well).Yeah I've posted points like this in previous NX threads.
Assuming a standard three year AAA dev cycle and announced software so far, by holiday 2016 these studios will should have games ready:
3D Mario Team
Retro
Zelda Team
Pikmin team
Pokemon team
Imagine the first six months of the NX handheld and console having those IP's and maybe even Mario and Zelda at launch?
To be fair, they did advertise Bayonetta 2 to a decent degree on Adult Swim & YouTube.That's certainly Nintendo's biggest challenge. And the most difficult as well. The only genuine and realistic way Nintendo could do to attract the core gamers is by making exclusive 3rd party deals just like they did with Bayonetta 2.
And by actually promote the damn game this time as well...
That's because they are different audiences. Not every Zelda fan likes Mario and vice versa. Zelda is much more successful in the west compared to Japan and if they want more western appeal for the NX, Zelda on day one is important.you'd think releasing two of their biggest possible games on the same day would cannibalize sales but this is the same company who released a 3d mario and a 2d zelda on the same day so who knows
That's certainly Nintendo's biggest challenge. And the most difficult as well. The only genuine and realistic way Nintendo could do to attract the core gamers is by making exclusive 3rd party deals just like they did with Bayonetta 2.
And by actually promote the damn game this time as well...
But said casual audience is gonna be tough to get back, especially with the rise of mobile gaming.I'm not sure Bayonetta is that type of game though. It appeals to a much smaller niche/core segment of gamers and it's not going to move units. And more games of that type probably aren't either. What I honestly think Nintendo needs to somehow try to do is attract the more casual audience again because I just don't see how their is a blueprint for them to get the PS/Xbox audience on their side.
I for one am excited.
That's certainly Nintendo's biggest challenge. And the most difficult as well. The only genuine and realistic way Nintendo could do to attract the core gamers is by making exclusive 3rd party deals just like they did with Bayonetta 2.
And by actually promote the damn game this time as well...
Yeah I've posted points like this in previous NX threads.
Assuming a standard three year AAA dev cycle and announced software so far, by holiday 2016 these studios will should have games ready:
3D Mario Team
Retro
Zelda Team
Pikmin team
Pokemon team
Imagine the first six months of the NX handheld and console having those IP's and maybe even Mario and Zelda at launch?
Virtual console needs to have better support on this console. Have classic snes/nes/game boy and gba games available day one for cheap. Like the 30 cent vc game launch on wii u to get people to jump in
But said casual audience is gonna be tough to get back, especially with the rise of mobile gaming.
Well unfortunately, it's happening. Nintendo's clearly been slowing down their 3DS & Wii U output for a reason. And all of these reports of the manufacturing of NX devices had to have come from somewhere.Coming out next year is too early. Launch it in 2017 with ports of Zelda Wii U and Smash 4 alongside the usual Mario game to start and it'll be successful.
Well unfortunately, it's happening. Nintendo's clearly been slowing down their 3DS & Wii U output for a reason. And all of these reports of the manufacturing of NX devices had to have come from somewhere.
But you have to consider that a good chunk of the 3DS's first party output are late localizations. Either those, lower-budget/lower-profile games, or Pokémon Z. Basically said late localizations, alongside third party games, are making the Nintendo's 3DS output next year look less sparse than it is.I'm 50/50 on this. I could see it coming next year but Reggie has only confirmed that they will talk more about the NX next year. Plus Nintendo is known for revealing systems a good year before release.
The software is definitely slowing down for Wii-U but 3DS has a decent start to 2016.
Like I said it is a coin flip right now.
the PS/Xbox audience is honestly going to be just as tough to get back. I just don't see any other road for Nintendo. They have to do something outside the box, something that gets people that normally don't give a shit about Mario or Zelda interested in their console. What that is? I don't know. They were right with waggle. They were dead wrong with a tablet. That's for them and their execs to figure out. I just don't see a plan where they can get, in the next year, people who just spent $300-400 on an Xbox One or PS4 to jump over to their side. People mentioned third party deals, but like what? The Bayonetta thing came to be because Bayonetta is a niche IP that doesn't sell super well, that's really the only reason Nintendo was able to secure it for Wii U. Even Sony with the PS4 selling like hotcakes is barely securing any full on exclusive third parties titles, Nintendo would have no chance. Trying to go head on with that demographic is a huge mistake in my opinion.
I'm certain to be in the minority here, but man, these rumors are quite disheartening to me as someone who really wished the Wii U would get a full year or more of support with more great, big releases like Splatoon and Super Mario Maker.
But you have to consider that a good chunk of the 3DS's first party output are late localizations. Either those, lower-budget/lower-profile games, or Pokémon Z. Basically said late localizations, alongside third party games, are making the Nintendo's 3DS output next year look less sparse than it is.
They've already revealed the latter two. So all that's left is to go into further detail on the new account & reward systems alongside the reveal of the NX devices. While I could see Nintendo stretching the 3DS's life until Early 2017, the Wii U can't last past 2016 if what we know of now is any indication.But that doesn't cover my other point. How can we expect Nintendo to reveal a new handheld and console along with fully pushing out their new account and reward system. They have been very quiet of late but I can't see them pulling out all of the stops immediately.
Maybe the handheld is released next year but I still doubt the console is released next year as well.
Perhaps you're in minority here, but I don't think you're a minority in the real world. The Wii U has only 2.5 years as a console now, since virtually all planned Wii U launch titles were delayed at start (only NSMBU and NintendoLand at the start - while Wonderful 101, Wii Fit U, Game & Wario, Pikmin 3 were all delayed). Most casual Wii U users bought their Wii U since the MK8 release. And giving the Wii U users value for their investment is an important focus at Nintendo, according to Iwata's final Q&A to the investors.
We still don't know what the NX is and if it's a replacement to any existing console, but I don't think this NX rumor is true at all. It's the identical rumor that started soon after E3 (on July 02, 2015), and that things like Iwata's passing wouldn't cause any changes to the schedule at all doesn't seem realistic (when mobile gaming got a delay of half a year, for example).
They've already revealed the latter two. So all that's left is to go into further detail on the new account & reward systems alongside the reveal of the NX devices. While I could see Nintendo stretching the 3DS's life until Early 2017, the Wii U can't last past 2016 if what we know of now is any indication.