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#FE (Fire Emblem Wii U)'s Kiria gets new, more covered outfit for final JP release
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OmegaDL50
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Point taken. What if Treehouse is in talks with the dev staff and said changes are being implemented because the game is planned to be brought out west anyways?
Of course as you said that would be a localization change and shouldn't have any reflection on the original Japanese release.
I don't really want to bring this up, but I doubt this is a Nintendo thing. The most recent cases of censorship outcry recently was from Fatal Frame a Nintendo game, and now this one has changes too which is also a Wii U game. Then there was the Arc Rise Fantasia example posted above which was also again a Wii game.
There is also the Street Fighter V changes and the KT on the fence about DOAX3's Western release which disproves that trend.
Then again Bayonetta 2 was published by Nintendo and did not have any changes, so maybe it's just a recent trend because of the more critical eye on the portrayal of women in games as of late.
I mean...pretty sure it's just a reference to izanami.
I know that the composer, Yoshiaki Fujisawa, came from a professional music/idol production company Avex Group. I couldn't find anything specifically about a fashion designer but again it certainly wouldn't be out of the norm for a project like this.
I've always found this argument a bit bizarre. It seems to say that, even though there are people who dress themselves a certain way in reality, those people either shouldn't be depicted in games or shouldn't be depicted accurately. Obviously strippers or nudists in games are fictional and have no free will. No fictional character has free will. But they're depictions of people who do have wills of their own, and every type of person who exists in reality, be they strippers, nudists, or idols, should and will be depicted in fiction.
Atlus made the choice to have idols in their game, and they're going all the way with it. It's not just something they threw in there. If you're making a game about nudists, make them nude.
Note that I'm not criticizing Atlus for making them un-idol-like. There are idols who wear clothes.
I'm saying that, had they kept the skimpy outfit, the context of that character being an idol would indeed be a relevant defense.
oh ok, it looks different in the images in the OP
I mean sure, this could all be premeptive strikes that will make localization easier and eventually drive the ESRB rating down, and maybe the powers that be are gunshy about these types of things.
But on the other hand:
::SHRUG::
I mean, maybe they just changed it because someone working there didn't like it. We could just be over thinking this whole thing.
I think ultimately it's just an internal development decision. I hate that R-Mika got changed, I think that's silly and needless and I want them to change her back, but in the end, it's still just capcom's decision. Sure everyone's nervous about being called out for sexism (or racism, or jingoism, as of late) but there comes to be a time where you have look at your grand scheme and wonder if changing one or two bits of clothing is really going to make a huge difference. If it's this late in the development stage, it's probably not going to.
Developers should be free to design whatever they'd like and to show those designs with pride. If they feel ashamed of those designs then you have a much larger problem than what changing one or two elements will fix. With female design especially, sometimes it's good to consult outside help. Capcom builds sexy females, but doesn't really do "cool" females very well. SNK cornered the market on cool women in fighting games decades ago and only 2 of them are showing a whole ton of skin. Bayonetta's design is great in both of her games, regardless of whether she's fully covered or completely nude. Design is hard. Leaving design up to the masses probably isn't the best idea. And reducing your designs because you're worried about who you'll offend is how you cheapen your work.
I feel that consulting a fashion designer for such a crazy mashup of styles wouldn't necessarily be in their best interest. I'm not saying they didn't but...it would be quite the herculean task for that consultant.
Right, but there's a nuance to it. It's not about whether something can be depicted in fiction or not, it's about the fact that the context card is all too often used to try and shut down any sort of criticism. If Miley Cirus appeared on a TV show with a thong that has a zipper outlining her labia majora, plenty of people would roll their eyes at that too regardless of the fact that she chose to wear it.
OmegaDL50
Member
It's bad thing to admit I'm not at all familiar with any of these characters?
I mean I tried to play some of the GBA Fire Emblem games but didn't really get into the series heavily.
My interest in this particular title is mainly due to the SMT and Persona style elements included therein.
So I look at the picture above with the girls in the swimsuits and I'm drawing a complete blank.
But when it comes to stuff like press-turn combat mechanics, post apocalyptic Tokyo, Shop references to SMT Demons like Jack Frost, I can relate tp
I don't care about the Idol thing really, it's inclusion or not does affect me. I'm still buying this game when it comes out west because it's a RPG by Atlus.
Although from what I understand it the SMT: Strange Journey and SMTIV directors are behind this particular project. So it being something new isn't a problem.
Even if it isn't merger of SMT and FE that some people were expecting.
I mean I tried to play some of the GBA Fire Emblem games but didn't really get into the series heavily.
My interest in this particular title is mainly due to the SMT and Persona style elements included therein.
So I look at the picture above with the girls in the swimsuits and I'm drawing a complete blank.
But when it comes to stuff like press-turn combat mechanics, post apocalyptic Tokyo, Shop references to SMT Demons like Jack Frost, I can relate tp
I don't care about the Idol thing really, it's inclusion or not does affect me. I'm still buying this game when it comes out west because it's a RPG by Atlus.
Although from what I understand it the SMT: Strange Journey and SMTIV directors are behind this particular project. So it being something new isn't a problem.
Even if it isn't merger of SMT and FE that some people were expecting.
Most of the characters in the topic are new characters made for this game, FE characters only appear as mirages. Apologies if I misunderstood (and you meant you wanted FE repped in a more general sense like SMT is).
Mr Fahrenheit
Member
Yea but the post you originally replied to was more in response to the people saying it was stupid because no one dresses like that, even though people do dress just like that in that industry. That isn't "pulling the context card," it's telling people who were saying that it doesn't make sense that they're wrong. Of course you're allowed to roll your eyes and think it's dumb, but you can't say it's unrealistic and has no place when, in the context it's in, it's perfectly normal.
That's true, in this case at least it wouldn't be proper to use context to "shut down criticism" of the original outfit, since idols wear a variety of outfits and that's on the more risque side. But I think context would still be relevant as an argument in the outfit's defense. Your original statement of "context doesn't matter" made me think you were completely dismissing its relevance.
I really like Fire Emblem and I love SMT, but this game just looks like hot trash to me. Pants or no pants.
That's Izanagi, my friend. So, um... yeah. I contributed to this thread now.I mean...pretty sure it's just a reference to izanami.
This game's existence might be the most disappointing thing in gaming this generation (for me). Some of us were dumb enough to believe we'd have a freaking WiiU Fire Emblem, I imagined it was going to be like the Devil Survivor games, which combine SRPG with SMT combat. Somehow we got a Persona game set in Tokyo
Oh BTW, idols don't perform in thongs. Go watch some ABCDEFG48 concert, zipper thongs are NOT a thing (you see, because they're so pure, and they can't have boyfriends and stuff).
Vaughngief
Member
Good. The original design was dumb looking.
This game's existence might be the most disappointing thing in gaming this generation (for me). Some of us were dumb enough to believe we'd have a freaking WiiU Fire Emblem, I imagined it was going to be like the Devil Survivor games, which combine SRPG with SMT combat. Somehow we got a Persona game set in Tokyo
Oh BTW, idols don't perform in thongs. Go watch some ABCDEFG48 concert, zipper thongs are NOT a thing (you see, because they're so pure, and they can't have boyfriends and stuff).
What? Yes they do.
I've seen TV commercials and stuff where they're wearing bikinis, it's definitely a thing.
And let's not mix AKB48 into the discussion, that entire thing is fucking creepy.
I mean, bikinis are a different thing, and this game has bikinis. Not zipper thongs.
Yeah, I mean, I used "perform" for a reason
I know they do bikini shoots and stuff.Mr Fahrenheit
Member
I don't know about performances specifically cause I don't watch them, but AKB48 has a million swimsuit/lingerie calendars, photo books, and other shit. Not that it matters since they're far from the only idols in the world.This game's existence might be the most disappointing thing in gaming this generation (for me). Some of us were dumb enough to believe we'd have a freaking WiiU Fire Emblem, I imagined it was going to be like the Devil Survivor games, which combine SRPG with SMT combat. Somehow we got a Persona game set in Tokyo
Oh BTW, idols don't perform in thongs. Go watch some ABCDEFG48 concert, zipper thongs are NOT a thing (you see, because they're so pure, and they can't have boyfriends and stuff).
That already happened!
Do they perform in thongs? If they don't, my point remains.
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
I like how this topic gets like more posts than any other #FE thread.
OrionsNebula
Member
They could have at least just made it a set of pants or shorts. Instead it looks like they kept the strapped boots and added some different coloured shorts on top. It looks really bizarre in my opinion.
Could a company get around the ESRB ratings, and just put these modified outfits in the game, and then in addition to that, offer free dlc with the original outfits, where the dlc carries the M rating, while the base game on the shelf just gets a T or whatever?
Mr Fahrenheit
Member
http://akb48-daily.blogspot.com/2015/06/sashihara-rino-fulfilled-her-promise.html?m=1
It's not a regular thing, but it's happened. Again, not that AKB48 is indicative of every idol.
That already happened!
Do they perform in thongs? If they don't, my point remains.
Yes actually, if you look around although rare, they do perform in bikini/thongs.
If you live in Japan just turn on the TV and tune in to some music channel and it becomes pretty apparent.
At least during the summer months.
Maleko Saint
Banned
It's just a bit depressing.
I stand corrected, idols perform in bikinis (and there are bikinis in this game, so yeah).
Well, you see, censorship is a very serious issue!
captainpat
Member
We'll get our OT soon enough.
Wyndstryker
Member
Just went to bad design to bad design fix.
It went from bad to bad, I agree that much
What personality? And now Kiria has Yashiro who has basically encroached on her character type and is doing a better job at it.
It went from bad to bad, I agree that much
Yeah. I said I don't have a problem with it, but looking at it, it really does look like they just added something specifically for the purpose of covering rather than trying to at least try a less-risque design. It's still not in my 'I really care' thoughts, but it is noticeable.
To be fair, that was in Final Fight: Streetwise, which was pretty much shit in everything it tried to do. Thankfully, Capcom didn't try to put Cammy in anything loose fitting ever again.That already happened!
On-topic, I don't know. It doesn't seem to be much more than a cheap cover-up job, but I guess I'll have to see the in-game changes for myself to judge them fairly. I don't like the current wave of puritanical chauvanism that's infecting the discussion disguised as feminist critique, though. So a character's attire makes them "cringe" - so what? They likely weren't going to buy the game anyway, so what possible value is there in sharing such an opinion, especially in a way that casts shade on others who might like the design just fine? Smells like good ol' self-righteous judgmentalism to me. I hope they grow out of this intolerant mentality some day.
So much this.
GrotesqueBeauty
Banned
Thank God, I just felt a wave of relief you wouldn't believe. This clumsily executed attempt to avoid controversy looks soooooo much better than some artist's original intention. Pants are fucking awesome though! Frankly the very thought of bare legs makes me blush, and offends the dignity of my anime obsessed lifestyle. Smut like this has no place in my room full of overpriced posters, garage kit figurines, plushies, themed bed sheets, library of over 10,000 amazing manga classics, and Blurays about the trials and travails of Tokyo schoolgirls and the handsome yet oblivious young men they crush on,. I mean, the outfit was just embarrassing!
I like that shirtless character guy with the leather jacket and rippling abs in that other game though. So hawt, yusssss!
I like that shirtless character guy with the leather jacket and rippling abs in that other game though. So hawt, yusssss!
CaviarMeths
Member
Well the zipper panties were definitely dumb, but the pants look silly too. Can't they just put her in a pair of skinny jeans or whatever the hell it is pop idols wear these days?
And Cammie's cargo pants are boss, ya'll crazy.
And Cammie's cargo pants are boss, ya'll crazy.
SpecialAgentZ
Member
That's so stupid.
If it was my decision, the game would even have a 'no clothes' option just to piss people off. No need to cater for every touchy person in the world.
90% of the intended target audience are just normal guys/gals who like girls and like to see some kinky outfits in games or boys with good looking chests exposed.
If it was my decision, the game would even have a 'no clothes' option just to piss people off. No need to cater for every touchy person in the world.
90% of the intended target audience are just normal guys/gals who like girls and like to see some kinky outfits in games or boys with good looking chests exposed.
I don't understand why so many of you are offended by something that's clearly a parody. From the very first trailer, it was kinda clear that they're going the extra mile here, and everything will be turned up to 11.
I mean come on, just look at it. Why would you take something like this seriously? or rather why would you feel ashamed for what is clearly a joke.
The zipper panty was just the perfect exaggeration of otaku pandering, as in it wasn't meant as pandering, but rather making fun of otaku pandering.
I mean come on, just look at it. Why would you take something like this seriously? or rather why would you feel ashamed for what is clearly a joke.
The zipper panty was just the perfect exaggeration of otaku pandering, as in it wasn't meant as pandering, but rather making fun of otaku pandering.
Sheriff_Battlesnake
Banned
Yeah,then this doesn't sound evil. We just need more sexy man games to balance it out. Then we can all enjoy sexy cartoons in peace.
If they were children then I'd get it, but we didn't get this far into the human race by fluke. We like sexy.