Maybe you should answer the question of who exactly is forcing the Atlus team to make a game about Idols at gunpoint first.
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#FE (Fire Emblem Wii U)'s Kiria gets new, more covered outfit for final JP release
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Maybe you should answer the question of who exactly is forcing the Atlus team to make a game about Idols at gunpoint first.
I get what you're saying and I agree, the crotch zipper is just awful.
A pair of loose-fitting purple pants and a corset feels really weird though.
RecursiveFault
Banned
This thread is actually pretty tame overall, nice to see.
If they were gonna make this change I wish it was so rushed and poorly done, but it's fine I guess.
If they were gonna make this change I wish it was so rushed and poorly done, but it's fine I guess.
I suppose my response to your question would be "not a wide high cut thong with a zipper in the crotch".
LordBaztion
Member
The redesign is more akin to Fire Emblem costumes, I think its better.
OmegaDL50
Member
I never said anything of the sort. Nor do I appreciate the insinuation or words put into my that Atlus should make any changes at gunpoint.
But if you intend to take the point of my question out if it's intended context to twist it's meaning to make such statement for the sake of argument, then you probably weren't intending to make a reasonable or constructive reply to this discussion to begin with.
Ignored!
To be fair, combining costume design these two properties must be damn near impossible. On one hand, you have very conservative medieval garb, only a few hero characters having something that could be considered flashy. On the other side, one of the monsters is a giant multi-headed penis chariot, one is a giant vagina monster.
I don't envy their plight, but i'm eager to see the results.
Pro from Dover
Member
BEFORE (During the Treehouse Presentation)
It kinky. I dig this kinky. But the game is still the game even with a little less kinky. I'm happy to stay for the kinky but won't leave if no kinky.
Tinfoilhatsron
Banned
Not sure if serious. Anyone would still laugh at you for playing idol waifu bait bro.
LordBaztion
Member
UnemployedVillain
Member
Maybe the game's crazy outfits will be toned down enough for me not to be embarrassed playing in front of my roommates. Maybe...
Paracelsus
Member
You can tell the reason behind it from the fact it's high waist.
I'm surprised they didn't turn those suspenders into full blown overalls.
I'm surprised they didn't turn those suspenders into full blown overalls.
This is actually my problem I have with the new outfit.
Have her wear a full armor body suit as idol..I don't care.
BUT MAKE IT LOOK GOOD. It looks like a hasty photoshop ~_~
OmegaDL50
Member
It is a precarious situation. I mean considering the tone of SMT in general with it's aspect of demons and the occult, and the there is the Idol culture thing too.
I mean is it too much to ask to settle for an M rating despite the Japanese version having a CERO rating of B.
I am not one that goes against the designers vision for a game, but if they decide to change it because they feel it might get a public outlash when with the thought it mind the game has plans for a localization.
Still the designers are entitle to make whatever changes they want without risk to their own artistic integrity and original vision. It's just something I wonder in the context of the game and it's setting and the type of things people expect from both the SMT and FE franchises.
While naturally this isn't a FE or SMT game and has become something of it's own design. It makes you wonder how they will balance the post-apocalyptic Tokyo, the Demons, and the Idol culture without making some questionable design decisions that some people make take an affront too.
If it elicits a provocative reaction from some folks, I suppose that is to be expected.
Tinfoilhatsron
Banned
Christ the discussion and arguements have really gone downhill.
Strawmen make me laugh. But strawmen against non-existent arguements make me really laugh out loud.
Also nice Undertale avatar... For some reason that's important now?
what the hell?
IrishNinja
Member
another victory for glorious SJW-bros
Let's Make Fire Emblem Great Again
Let's Make Fire Emblem Great Again
captainpat
Member
Are those shorts or purple paint?
Holy Order Sol
Member
neither better nor worse
sidegrade tbh
sidegrade tbh
Sigh. This really isn't that hard to understand, but let's try again:
Context doesn't matter. This isn't a real life person. It doesn't matter that she has to wear to honor her late grandmother or that her manager forces her to wear it or whatever, she was still wearing a vagina zipper and it looked insanely dumb.
And just as Atlus is free to make vagina zipper-dancing ladies for *reasons*, everybody else is perfectly free to laugh at its silliness regardless of whatever they are, much like people do with 1000-year-old dragons.
A weird statement seeing that they probably aren't going to change stuff like the bikinis and stuff. Uh, probably. I doubt we'll see much of Kiria in that stage outfit anyway.
#Tsubasa'sTsubasas
More importantly, they're free to choose to not play it if they find it that offensive. There are other games.
A weird statement seeing that they probably aren't going to change stuff like the bikinis and stuff. Uh, probably. I doubt we'll see much of Kiria in that stage outfit anyway.
#Tsubasa'sTsubasas
Word. That outfit side, there's WAAAAAAAY skimpier in that thing.
I don't get it. If you want to make a game about idols then you know exactly what audience you are pandering to. I wanted to play a Persona x FE game but never imagined that when combining both franchises you would get something I'd be ashamed of playing. Just pander to that audience that would buy a pillow with one of their female leads and forget trying get the other fans that don't want the overly sexualized side.
Yep. They're even free to mock it AND not buy it at the same time, given that the former is not exactly a particularly straining activity.
...honestly not sure if you're okay or not okay with this.
Pro from Dover
Member
The real question is how will the costume change effect Maiko's plot.
Paracelsus
Member
He's claiming this is not a game for the real fans of the series but a game for otaku, so censoring it so that the real fans can play it kinda defeats the purpose.
I think with the male protagonist they nailed it, it looks like a more flashier Ike
Nah, Sigurd all the way with the cravat.
I mean...
The original was a giant zipper thong. Even if you get the reference, it's still tacky as hell.
It covers more skin.
GhostTrick
Banned
MUCH better.
captainpat
Member
Still looked more cohesive than this purple nonsense is.
OmegaDL50
Member
Wouldn't it have been easier to remove the zipper part and just paint the whole thing black to make it like a standard bikini bottom instead of doing the photoshop purple color over.
The change isn't so much a big deal as the modicum of effort actually incorporating said change.
Surely there was means to go about this without making the design less cohesive. Maybe it's just an overreaction and all of this is just placeholder asset before the final change is implemented.
I mean they still have access to the source and can patch the game...so I don't see too much of a big deal without changing the intent they tried to make with the design.
I'm a fan of both serious and I'm dissapointed in the direction of the game. I have no intrest in the idol scene so changing one risqué outfit among the many doesn't really change the direction of the game for me. Since it seems the people that would buy this game, enjoy the idol scene and all it entails then fuck it have at it. Teenage anime girls in underwear saving the world for all.
Mr Fahrenheit
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Seemingly the only factor that decides whether a design is good for a lot of people.
Unlikely considering that Maiko is not only older but her backstory is that she was a Gravure Idol and her latest trailer showed her modeling.The real question is how will the costume change effect Maiko's plot.
imho Kiria previous outfit was very VERY tacky because lol at the zipper tong but I do think they could have done it better if they also changed her garterbelt and made it white
Nail in the head...
That looked like something a costume designer would have actually put together in real life. Singers in the west being in thongs during concerts is like nothing new, at all.
To be fair, if this is an idol game, my thoughts are that it the pose that we can see isn't why the outfit was changed.
But again, who knows, as someone else pointed out, there are skimpier outfits in the game. Hard to say.
We'll find out next week. I'm not super in love with the edit either, I think it's just a quick and dirty thing because, "oh god, we need to get this out and why are we changing anything?"
...but these aren't singers in the west.
Again, if it was a localization edit, i'd understand, but...it's not.
Edit: You know what really worries me? The idea that outfits might be up-gradable, and in doing so remove elements to show off more skin as a reward and this is a protoform of the base level outfit. I don't want that.
Edit 2: Maybe I do want that. I don't know.
They almost certainly consulted professional designers for the idol industry. Hell the design in the OP looks like something that Sheryl from Macross Frontier would wear, which was again probably consulted by professionals.
Designs like this aren't usually done by the developers/artists but rather consultants.
