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Final Fantasy [Mafia] |OT| Living in a Materia World, and I am a Materia Girl

nin1000

Banned
That contradictory idea in the same sentence, never change Nin <3
Like I said, I am currently sick, but that does not mean I cannot try and guess who is who. I will need re-check all the posts that gave been made up to this point. But for my taste it is getting fair to quiet. Too many inactives.
 

nin1000

Banned
I liked X-2. It was a fun, carefree sort of game with a great job system.

The job system was great. But that's all there is to this game. Sorry but I am not a fan of this whole Japanese sexy thing. Sorry not my kind of thing. It was nothing but trash.
 

Sophia

Member
You're trying to craft a story that isn't there. When you are chasing ghosts, of course it is bad behavior. I just don't know if you actually believe your own bullshit or if you legitimately think you've found something. Barring that fact that this is how I've always played regardless of alignment, you're still stretching for an argument here.

I do want pressure in the game that doesn't mean I want PRs to out themselves on day 1. Those are two separate things but pressure can cause what I was warning against. I pressure looking for general reactions. It doesn't necessarily need to come from who I voted on. For example, I voted Hyper and while his response has been meaningless so far, you've been sitting here acting the fool.

I mean, I dunno man. Darryl is Darryl, not the Wandering Minstrel of Eorzea weaving an exaggerated tale of heroics. Based upon what I know about him, I don't really feel like he's trying to craft a narrative. although I do find it interesting that he basically came up with a list of numbered bullet points, and then immediately dismissed the first one however.
 

Sorian

Banned
I mean, I dunno man. Darryl is Darryl, not the Wandering Minstrel of Eorzea weaving an exaggerated tale of heroics. Based upon what I know about him, I don't really feel like he's trying to craft a narrative. although I do find it interesting that he basically came up with a list of numbered bullet points, and then immediately dismissed the first one however.

If Darryl were Yoship, I would be voting him out on principle after the horrid relic weapon they just released yesterday.

Anyway, the reason he gave for dismissing the first point is fine, he says I'm contradicting myself which is good enough reason to ignore that bullet point, it's just he is missing the point or focusing in so hard because I'm not actually contradicting myself.
 

nin1000

Banned
If Darryl were Yoship, I would be voting him out on principle after the horrid relic weapon they just released yesterday.

Anyway, the reason he gave for dismissing the first point is fine, he says I'm contradicting myself which is good enough reason to ignore that bullet point, it's just he is missing the point or focusing in so hard because I'm not actually contradicting myself.

You are contradicting yourself, but since it's day one and everyone is just posting and posting. It does not really matter. Never change Sorian :)
 

nin1000

Banned
I mean, I dunno man. Darryl is Darryl, not the Wandering Minstrel of Eorzea weaving an exaggerated tale of heroics. Based upon what I know about him, I don't really feel like he's trying to craft a narrative. although I do find it interesting that he basically came up with a list of numbered bullet points, and then immediately dismissed the first one however.
Sophia, what can you tell us about yourself? I never played with you and that makes me kind of nervous.
 

Sorian

Banned
You never can't be sure, maybe it was reverse psychology?!

Maybe it was.

You are contradicting yourself, but since it's day one and everyone is just posting and posting. It does not really matter. Never change Sorian :)

I just don't want people claiming. It gives scum targets. Votes apply pressure, that's the golden rule
after blaming Palmer
, I want to see what that pressure does to people but I don't want a newbie or someone new to having a good PR to blurt out what they are thinking that's all it takes to stop votes on them.
 

Sophia

Member
Sophia, what can you tell us about yourself? I never played with you and that makes me kind of nervous.

Ahaha. This is like daggers being thrown at me after the original Werewolf. >_>;

I'm not a big fan of voting early, especially on day starts where we have very little information like this. Also, I'm a little bit silly, and quite enjoying the Final Fantasy theme right now we have going on. I was an FF fangirl long before being a Persona fangirl, after all. Some of the players are familiar to me from either the previous game, others like yourself I believe this is the first time we'll be having a conversation at GAF.
 

Sorian

Banned
Ahaha. This is like daggers being thrown at me after the original Werewolf. >_>;

I'm not a big fan of voting early, especially on day starts where we have very little information like this. Also, I'm a little bit silly, and quite enjoying the Final Fantasy theme right now we have going on. I was an FF fangirl long before being a Persona fangirl, after all. Some of the players are familiar to me from either the previous game, others like yourself I believe this is the first time we'll be having a conversation at GAF.

I watched you a bit last time so I know you were playing as scum last time. I don't know what you are this time so I'll just ask your opinions on a few things.

What are your thoughts on lynch vs. no lynch on day 1?

These games usually have neutrals in them, what are you expecting based on any information we have so far?

The game size is 17. How many scum do you think there are?
 

Darryl

Banned
I hear Sorian's responses and I do not find them adequate. There is so much ad hominem and deflecting that I actually cannot see a genuine effort to engage with me and promote positive discussion. I do believe my argument with him had merit worth discussion, although it was largely a gambit to see his response. His play is imo anti-town and I am done with this line of discussion so we can hear from other players.
 

Sorian

Banned
I hear Sorian's responses and I do not find them adequate. There is so much ad hominem and deflecting that I actually cannot see a genuine effort to engage with me and promote positive discussion. I do believe my argument with him had merit worth discussion, although it was largely a gambit to see his response. His play is imo anti-town and I am done with this line of discussion so we can hear from other players.

I'm not giving a genuine effort to you. I purposely do the same thing at the beginning of each game that I play because I know someone is going to come up with some ridiculous argument against it every once in awhile and when it's a vet who knows better, it tells me that they are reaching. I'm glad we have your permission to hear from other players, is it ok if I ask Nin about his vote?

Hey guys, I am currently sick but I am feeling strong enough to post.

Hyperactivity is giving me huge scum tells

Vote:Hyperactivity

So how is Hyper giving you scum tells? My RNG vote goes out and I usually change it once the person actually engages the game. He has not done that so my vote is still there but same reason, he hasn't really engaged at all yet so where are the scum tells?
 

Sophia

Member
I watched you a bit last time so I know you were playing as scum last time. I don't know what you are this time so I'll just ask your opinions on a few things.

What are your thoughts on lynch vs. no lynch on day 1?

These games usually have neutrals in them, what are you expecting based on any information we have so far?

The game size is 17. How many scum do you think there are?

Interesting choice of questions. I'm kind of indifferent to if we should lynch on Day 1 or not, right now. I've heard a lot more in regards to being for a Day 1 lynch vs no lynch, but at the same time I lack the experience playing forum mafia in order to say either way. In regards to the other two questions, Scrafy did describe this game as an eight on Crab's scale, which is role madness. This makes me think the scum team might be on the smaller side regardless of the presence of neutrals.
 

Swamped

Banned
Apologies
I was interpreting your post as questioning the vote on Hyper specifically, not the vote itself
I don't like the random vote either

Just to be clear:
I was commenting on the target of his vote(which is what I thought Darryl was talking about), not the vote itself

Xam seems to be very cautious, just something I noticed right off the bat. Is he trying to avoid Sorian/Darryl heat on himself?

vote: terrabyte20xx

No day 1 vote by you has got to be a scum tell...

Yeah, I noticed this! Still, I think it's too obvious...Terra did say he wanted to change things up this time. Let's see where his strategy goes today.
 

Darryl

Banned
I'm not giving a genuine effort to you. I purposely do the same thing at the beginning of each game that I play because I know someone is going to come up with some ridiculous argument against it every once in awhile and when it's a vet who knows better, it tells me that they are reaching. I'm glad we have your permission to hear from other players, is it ok if I ask Nin about his vote?

We have the first, multi-game gambit here. This is truly a moment in history. A grand unveiling. You have posted that message at the start of every game like a fly trap, just waiting for his victim. And here you are, you've caught me reaching. The payoff is unreal! You can sit back, catching scum in peace while your gambit to finally have a single player to ignore pays off in full. No need to give a genuine effort anymore, you crafty one.
 
As Lulu sat on her throne, sipping her wine, something suddenly occurred to her.

"Oh! Right!" she exclaimed suddenly, "I forgot to mention this earlier, but there are some among you whose names have been lost amidst the sands of time. Though your achievements were valiant your lack of any special skill or power lead to the history books merely referring to you by your Job rather than your name or title. In some circles you are known as Ordinary Party Members. Probably should have mentioned that earlier, but I'm a bus(t)y woman and you folks wouldn't even be alive if it weren't for me so, like, whatever, you know."

The dolls all stared at her with their unblinking eyes and an awkward silence fell over the colosseum.

"Oh, and uh, here's the current vote tally."

blargonaut (1)
pop-o-matic 57

hyperactivity (2)
sorian 58
nin1000 95

sorian (3)
hyperactivity 66
darryl 68
swamped 75

terrabyte20xx (1)
zippedpinhead 120
 

Kevyt

Member
That's all you want to say today? That's a lot of fluff there!

I know, but that's okay. The day has just started and its a fine looking day~

I know nothing about final fantasy but that's okay.

I was going to quote someone from page 1 but it didn't quote it for some reason and now I forgot what I was gonna say.

Uggg™
 

Sorian

Banned
Interesting choice of questions. I'm kind of indifferent to if we should lynch on Day 1 or not, right now. I've heard a lot more in regards to being for a Day 1 lynch vs no lynch, but at the same time I lack the experience playing forum mafia in order to say either way. In regards to the other two questions, Scrafy did describe this game as an eight on Crab's scale, which is role madness. This makes me think the scum team might be on the smaller side regardless of the presence of neutrals.

Hmm, alright, thanks.

We have the first, multi-game gambit here. This is truly a moment in history. A grand unveiling. You have posted that message at the start of every game like a fly trap, just waiting for his victim. And here you are, you've caught me reaching. The payoff is unreal! You can sit back, catching scum in peace while your gambit to finally have a single player to ignore pays off in full. No need to give a genuine effort anymore, you crafty one.

I can give a genuine effort, this just tells me that you have no idea what you're doing at the moment. That's useful information for now.
 

nin1000

Banned
I know, but that's okay. The day has just started and its a fine looking day~

I know nothing about final fantasy but that's okay.

I was going to quote someone from page 1 but it didn't quote it for some reason and now I forgot what I was gonna say.

Uggg™

Quoting someone is nothing really interesting. Most of the time it is used just to pretend that you read what that person said.
 

Terrabyte20xx

Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
vote: terrabyte20xx

No day 1 vote by you has got to be a scum tell...

Xam seems to be very cautious, just something I noticed right off the bat. Is he trying to avoid Sorian/Darryl heat on himself?



Yeah, I noticed this! Still, I think it's too obvious...Terra did say he wanted to change things up this time. Let's see where his strategy goes today.
Brb, on a train standing in line for Star wars.


J/k but seriously, don't look too much into it.

The Daryll vs Sorian stuff is interesting. Daryll is being Daryll. He's actually being very consistent, which is a good sign. Sorian is also posting a ton, as usual. They're exchange could prove to be rather helpful down the line.
 
All right, actually playing half decently attempt #3 is a go!

-looks at Darryl with suspicion- Not sure if Trolling or just being Darryl
Oh wait that's the same thing isn't it
 

Sorian

Banned
Just to let everyone know now (I know some are busy today but this is once you can start getting in here to read and judge), I expect everyone to have a vote down of some sort especially as we start getting closer and closer to time ending. It forces scum to take sides and allows us to look at voting patterns.
 

Sorian

Banned
Also nin, I see you posted after I asked you something but no response. Come on now, what's the scum tells fro Hyper?
 
Hi all, excited things are starting but not really sure what to say on the issues that have come up! I don't like the idea of voting for someone randomly, but I do kind of like the pressure to make something happen today. I want to see how things develop more before voting, but I do intend to vote today.

FYI I will be absent for most of tomorrow (i.e. real tomorrow, Friday) since I'm on a 9-hour flight to visit family. Can check in a little more regularly during the day after that though, as I'll be on vacation.
 
Sorian vs. Darryl means little. Sorian being Sorian and Darryl being Darryl means nothing, because the easiest way to play scum is to just be yourself. I do want to say some stuff:

I'm trying to understand this:


So, the motive behind this vote is either:

1. You want to generate discussion.
2. You have a reason to believe Hyperactivity is a warrior of chaos.
3. You're a warrior of chaos.

It's obviously not point 1, since you are vocally aware that one vote is meaningless in the grand scheme of things (even raising this point yourself).



If it is point 2, you haven't brought up any reasoning for this alongside your vote.

I think it is point 3, you're a scummy warrior of chaos.


I don't care what inane methods you use for your sacred random voting technique. That's blatant deflecting, as I never cared why specifically you voted for Hyperactivity. I'm questioning why you're trying to preface your "pressure" votes with advice that actually deflates the pressure and makes the whole process arbitrary. That opening post appears very much like someone trying to look town. Giving arbitrary towny advice and a meaningless vote gesture meant to advance the game, which simultaneously conflict in purpose. You either want to pressure people or you don't. Right now, you are inbetween. Why are you inbetween?

You're reaching. I agree Sorian's opening posts and votes don't really mean much, they really are sort of useless, but you're assuming and filling in blanks mentally that we can't really fill yet. Your argument, tbh, is sort of ridiculous

You literally need to stop arguing on behalf of other people. You also need to read the posts fully if you're trying to understand these arguments. If you're town and Sorian is scum, you're just giving him an easy out. I hope you realize that. Your defense of him doesn't even have an impact on my argument against Sorian. I do not care who Sorian voted for. He could have voted for you or me. I'm questioning his conflicting motives.

Don't attack someone with an argument that surmounts to being a pile of wet toilet paper, then get mad when someone doesn't want to waste any more time between you two having a hissy fit.

There's a difference between defending someone and pointing out that's someone's argument is complete and utter horseshit. Am I defending Sorian now for pointing that out? Xam perhaps?

Let him shout at the wind, this is a court of public opinion, and it's easy to see that Darryl is trying to write some story here.

And tbh you sort of are too

Honestly, your rng method is stupid. By this point, I've gotten to the point where I just sort of ignore it. "Oh he voted me first. Whaaateever." You're around to post a bunch, and you always do the same things: take all the posts that say "HEY I'M TOWN", or try to assume a town leader position. I assume it's a given at this point- don't role claim day 1, everyone vote, etc. I guess it bears worth saying, but you have a habit of almost hogging them so as to take up that mantle.

Actual read on the situation:

IDK?? Darryl being weird, Sorian just being Sorian (which means crap all), and I didn't forget the random vote for me from Nin. But you know, maybe other people have decided that Sorian's method sorta works?

Tbh it's sort of a fault of mine at this point (just talking to myself now), I ignore votes if it's just one or two

Day 1 is always stupid, expect a little less from me today (still have school for a bit, plus nothing ever happens). Unless there's some role that might be useful day 1
 
Day 1 is always stupid, expect a little less from me today (still have school for a bit, plus nothing ever happens). Unless there's some role that might be useful day 1

Shit, forgot to complete sentence here. I mean that in the way NX had a miller, HP had Rats and Burbeting, Wereoof had the sherriff, etc. Things available to look at Day 1.
 

Sorian

Banned
Honestly, your rng method is stupid. By this point, I've gotten to the point where I just sort of ignore it. "Oh he voted me first. Whaaateever." You're around to post a bunch, and you always do the same things: take all the posts that say "HEY I'M TOWN", or try to assume a town leader position. I assume it's a given at this point- don't role claim day 1, everyone vote, etc. I guess it bears worth saying, but you have a habit of almost hogging them so as to take up that mantle.

You are 100% right, I am purposely saying the things that need to be said. I know 9 times out of 10 that I'm going to be the first person to post so I make sure to get the obvious stuff out of the way. There is still someone new to this game here, there is also probably someone who has played before but has never had a good PR before somewhere in here as well (that's me guessing not knowing) so that information is pertinent to someone reading it.

As for RNG voting, meh, whatever, same idea, I am usually the first person posting and this early on, I am a staunch believer that everyone should have a vote out at all time. As the game goes on that becomes bad because of lylo/mylo reasons and scum being able to turbo if the team is big enough. I RNG my first vote because there is nothing to go off of yet, already at this point in the day though, I see no reason for a full RNG vote, some stuff has happened and some people haven't shown up yet, I see no reason why a vote should be used to either point out oddities or prodding someone who has said nothing yet.

That post overall was very good though, I'll give you that.
 

Darryl

Banned
Sorian vs. Darryl means little. Sorian being Sorian and Darryl being Darryl means nothing, because the easiest way to play scum is to just be yourself. I do want to say some stuff:


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You're reaching. I agree Sorian's opening posts and votes don't really mean much, they really are sort of useless, but you're assuming and filling in blanks mentally that we can't really fill yet. Your argument, tbh, is sort of ridiculous



Don't attack someone with an argument that surmounts to being a pile of wet toilet paper, then get mad when someone doesn't want to waste any more time between you two having a hissy fit.

There's a difference between defending someone and pointing out that's someone's argument is complete and utter horseshit. Am I defending Sorian now for pointing that out? Xam perhaps?



And tbh you sort of are too

Honestly, your rng method is stupid. By this point, I've gotten to the point where I just sort of ignore it. "Oh he voted me first. Whaaateever." You're around to post a bunch, and you always do the same things: take all the posts that say "HEY I'M TOWN", or try to assume a town leader position. I assume it's a given at this point- don't role claim day 1, everyone vote, etc. I guess it bears worth saying, but you have a habit of almost hogging them so as to take up that mantle.

Actual read on the situation:

IDK?? Darryl being weird, Sorian just being Sorian (which means crap all), and I didn't forget the random vote for me from Nin. But you know, maybe other people have decided that Sorian's method sorta works?

Tbh it's sort of a fault of mine at this point (just talking to myself now), I ignore votes if it's just one or two

Day 1 is always stupid, expect a little less from me today (still have school for a bit, plus nothing ever happens). Unless there's some role that might be useful day 1

You underlined a quote I made about Sorian deflecting. What, in specific, made you underline this quote? As I've already made clear multiple times (too many) my argument does not (has never) have anything to do with who Sorian has voted for or what his methods of RNG voting were. I called this deflecting by him making that his main defense, which it absolutely and undeniably is. Now, I want you to explain how this isn't deflecting. I need to know that you know what we are talking about.

I'm obviously reaching. We have to reach, Unless someone slips up and calls themselves scum on accident, you aren't going to make many arguments on day 1. This looks like feigning participation on your behalf.
 

Sorian

Banned
I called this deflecting by him making that his main defense, which it absolutely and undeniably is.

I'll help you since it must be lost underneath the joke.

Well, it's pretty easy. About an hour before every single game I've ever played in, I type random.org into my browser. Over in the top right corner there is a box labeled "True Random Number Generator" and then a min and max box. I leave the min box as 1 (this step is very important) and then I change the max box to the number of players in the game. I forget these things easily so I usually double check a few times with the OP but it looks like it was 17 this time so I put a 17 in the max box. I then clicked "Generate" and the result given was 13. Again I cross reference this to the OP, and I saw that 13 was Hyperactivity. Then I use some highlight tags and make a vote in my opening post. If you wanted to be like me, all you had to do was ask.

Now that the snark is out of the way. Of course the vote breeds discussion. I put in a whole disclaimer BECAUSE I know that one vote can get people all bothered and start spilling secrets. I want to see the reactions but I don't want someone to claim stupidly (hey there Darryl).

The bolded is my main defense. The non-bolded joke (or my deflection as you put it) is not my defense. Can you spot the difference now? I just want to make sure we are on the same page.
 

Darryl

Banned
I'll help you since it must be lost underneath the joke.



The bolded is my main defense. The non-bolded joke (or my deflection as you put it) is not my defense. Can you spot the difference now? I just want to make sure we are on the same page.

Thanks for arguing with Hyperactivity on his behalf. Fucking grand. This is almost too much for me. You called out people for this earlier, too! What is going on with you people?
 

Sorian

Banned
Thanks for arguing with Hyperactivity on his behalf. Fucking grand. This is almost too much for me. You called out people for this earlier, too! What is going on with you people?

?????

What are you talking about? I purposely edited out everything from the quote having to do with Hyper. That was you saying bullshit about me and me correcting you. I'm not going to let you sell lies as truth.
 

Darryl

Banned
?????

What are you talking about? I purposely edited out everything from the quote having to do with Hyper. That was you saying bullshit about me and me correcting you. I'm not going to let you sell lies as truth.

You already admitted that you weren't being genuine with your responses to me, so I don't care about your take on any of that. Let's stop digging old ground. I'm trying to get reads on Hyperactivity and you're getting in the way. This is not town behavior at all. I cannot begin to understand what is going on inside your head right now.
 

Sorian

Banned
You already admitted that you weren't being genuine with your responses to me, so I don't care about your take on any of that. Let's stop digging old ground. I'm trying to get reads on Hyperactivity and you're getting in the way. This is not town behavior at all. I cannot begin to understand what is going on inside your head right now.

Your reads are so stellar so far >_>

And no, I said I wasn't giving genuine effort to you. My answers were true/genuine but I'm also being extremely snarky towards you because all I could do was laugh at the first point you made.

Get on it Gumshoe, I believe in you.
 

Sorian

Banned
Hi guys. What a wonderful day it is in...*squints at paper* Final Fantasy. I hope we have some healthy discussion today. :)

Thoughts so far? Just going through the post and seeing who has posted but not said anything yet.

Picked on you because if I am seeing right, anyone else that posted gave some excuse for inactivity but nothing so far from you.
 
Thoughts so far? Just going through the post and seeing who has posted but not said anything yet.

Picked on you because if I am seeing right, anyone else that posted gave some excuse for inactivity but nothing so far from you.
Thoughts on Darryl vs You: The usual Day 1 "let's randomly give this person a bad time because day 1 is poorly designed with there being no leads" I like my Day 1 to have at least one interesting development to jump-start convos. So far, it's purely RNG.
 
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