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For Super Mario Maker, the most logical step in the short term is indeed a handheld version, hopefully compatible with most existing levels (though I'd expect those with an insane amount of enemies to not compatible... which wouldn't be much of loss given how most of them "enemies bullet hell" levels are usually pretty crappy).

They could have each 4DS come with Super Mario Maker lite, some sort of "premium" demo with a limited number of elements (think vanilla SMM), and limited sharing abilities. Full version available at retail or eShop.

On the "long term" an updated version each gen with all the elements of the latest 2D Mario games is a possible way to go.

Another franchise getting the Maker treatment is definitely possible, but I don't think there's any other franchise with the wide appeal which allowed SMM to be popular in the first place.

This idea would be huge for Mario Maker, IMO.

I would like to see them go in a "Nintendo Maker" direction. Retain the gameplay base of Mario, but expand the 'costumes' idea to become selectable characters and add tilesets based on other franchises, with corresponding music and enemy changes. Some small tweaks could be made depending on the selected character as well (Samus would be able to shoot, Link to swing his sword, etc.). But the base gameplay would still be Mario.

 

[Ryng_tolu]

Something in that region.

Ok but numbers.

 

[Kresnik258]

Ok but numbers.

No thank you. We've had this discussion already on banned site

 

[JoeM86]

Thing is that they're aiming Pokkén towards the older end of the market, so the cute and fluffy Pokémon that many of the younger players love don't get in, but instead the badass ones do.

Here's what we know

Playable:
Charizard
Pikachu
Pikachu Libre
Machamp
Gengar
Shadow Mewtwo
Suicune
Sceptile
Blaziken
Gardevoir
Lucario
Weavile

Support:
Snivy
Lapras
Emolga
Fennekin
Frogadier
Eevee
Jirachi
Whimsicott
Mismagius
Ninetales
Farfetch'd
Electrode
Togekiss
Rotom
Victini
Dragonite


And a craptonne in the background

Here's the current character selection screen

They recently increased the size to allow for those extra empty columns on the side. Total: 20

 

[Ryng_tolu]

No thank you. We've had this discussion already on banned site

I don't rememb that discussion but ok.

 

[Sammy Samusu]

No thank you. We've had this discussion already on banned site

:lol

The self exposé.

 

[Fisico]

Ok but numbers.

[PSV] 59.845,2

I'm pretty sure of it.

 

[Ryng_tolu]

[PSV] 59.845,2

I'm pretty sure of it.

Very funny. No.

 

[hiska-kun]

Mario Kart 8 VS Splatoon comparison is almost over, but let's make a new one, to continue the fun

Mario Kart 8 VS Super Mario Maker

------------------------------------------------------------- 
|    |   Mario Kart 8    | Super Mario Maker |  Difference  | 
|    | [WIU] (2014/05/29)| [WIU] (2015/09/10)|              | 
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|--------------| 
|Week|  Weekly |   LTD   |  Weekly |   LTD   |  SMM - MK8   | 
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|--------------| 
|  1 |  325.892|  325.892|  138.242|  144.818|      -187.650|
|  2 |   73.051|  398.943|   54.544|  192.785|      -206.158|
|  3 |   42.261|  441.205|   52.396|  245.182|      -196.023| 
|  4 |   28.112|  469.316|   30.150|  275.332|      -193.984| 
|  5 |   23.520|  492.837|   24.533|  299.865|      -192.972|  
|  6 |   19.386|  512.223|   21.357|  321.222|      -191.001|  
|  7 |   15.143|  527.366|   15.817|  337.039|      -190.327|  
|  8 |   14.992|  542.358|   13.764|  350.803|      -191.555|  
|  9 |   18.129|  560.487|   15.364|  366.167|      -194.320| 
| 10 |   18.067|  578.554|   12.442|  378.609|      -199.945| 
| 11 |   20.860|  599.414|   13.184|  391.793|      -207.621| 
| 12 |   28.221|  627.635|   18.639|  410.432|      -217.203| 
| 13 |   12.075|  639.710|   32.155|  442.588|      -197.122| 
| 14 |   11.148|  650.858|   48.600|  491.188|      -159.670|
| 15 |    8.221|  659.079|   84.789|  575.977|       -83.102|
| 16 |    6.839|  665.918|   98.155|  674.132|         8.214|
| 17 |    6.396|  672.313|         |         |              |
| 18 |    5.936|  678.250|         |         |              |
| 19 |    4.517|  682.767|         |         |              |
| 20 |    3.996|  686.763|         |         |              |
| 21 |    3.625|  690.387|         |         |              |
| 22 |    2.821|  693.208|         |         |              |
| 23 |    3.170|  696.378|         |         |              |
| 24 |    3.210|  699.588|         |         |              |
| 25 |   13.544|  713.132|         |         |              |
| 26 |    8.752|  721.884|         |         |              |
| 27 |   12.742|  734.626|         |         |              |
| 28 |   19.244|  753.870|         |         |              |
| 29 |   24.938|  778.808|         |         |              |
| 30 |   34.331|  813.139|         |         |              |
| 31 |   38.637|  851.776|         |         |              |
| 32 |   28.403|  880.180|         |         |              |
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|--------------|
|Total        -|1.126.412|        -|  674.132|     -452.280|      
-------------------------------------------------------------

 

[Aostia]

T
Here's the current character selection screen

They recently increased the size to allow for those extra empty columns on the side. Total: 20

damn, I like even the menu screen layout in this game
btw, I'd be fine with 20 characters for the Wii U version

Mario Kart 8 VS Splatoon comparison is almost over, but let's make a new one, to continue the fun

Mario Kart 8 VS Super Mario Maker

------------------------------------------------------------- 
|    |   Mario Kart 8    | Super Mario Maker |  Difference  | 
|    | [WIU] (2014/05/29)| [WIU] (2015/09/10)|              | 
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|--------------| 
|Week|  Weekly |   LTD   |  Weekly |   LTD   |  SMM - MK8   | 
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|--------------| 
|  1 |  325.892|  325.892|  138.242|  144.818|      -187.650|
|  2 |   73.051|  398.943|   54.544|  192.785|      -206.158|
|  3 |   42.261|  441.205|   52.396|  245.182|      -196.023| 
|  4 |   28.112|  469.316|   30.150|  275.332|      -193.984| 
|  5 |   23.520|  492.837|   24.533|  299.865|      -192.972|  
|  6 |   19.386|  512.223|   21.357|  321.222|      -191.001|  
|  7 |   15.143|  527.366|   15.817|  337.039|      -190.327|  
|  8 |   14.992|  542.358|   13.764|  350.803|      -191.555|  
|  9 |   18.129|  560.487|   15.364|  366.167|      -194.320| 
| 10 |   18.067|  578.554|   12.442|  378.609|      -199.945| 
| 11 |   20.860|  599.414|   13.184|  391.793|      -207.621| 
| 12 |   28.221|  627.635|   18.639|  410.432|      -217.203| 
| 13 |   12.075|  639.710|   32.155|  442.588|      -197.122| 
| 14 |   11.148|  650.858|   48.600|  491.188|      -159.670|
| 15 |    8.221|  659.079|   84.789|  575.977|       -83.102|
| 16 |    6.839|  665.918|   98.155|  674.132|         8.214|
| 17 |    6.396|  672.313|         |         |              |
| 18 |    5.936|  678.250|         |         |              |
| 19 |    4.517|  682.767|         |         |              |
| 20 |    3.996|  686.763|         |         |              |
| 21 |    3.625|  690.387|         |         |              |
| 22 |    2.821|  693.208|         |         |              |
| 23 |    3.170|  696.378|         |         |              |
| 24 |    3.210|  699.588|         |         |              |
| 25 |   13.544|  713.132|         |         |              |
| 26 |    8.752|  721.884|         |         |              |
| 27 |   12.742|  734.626|         |         |              |
| 28 |   19.244|  753.870|         |         |              |
| 29 |   24.938|  778.808|         |         |              |
| 30 |   34.331|  813.139|         |         |              |
| 31 |   38.637|  851.776|         |         |              |
| 32 |   28.403|  880.180|         |         |              |
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|--------------|
|Total        -|1.126.412|        -|  674.132|     -452.280|      
-------------------------------------------------------------

damn! these comparisons really put SMM in perspective. it's doing greatly in Japan (for being a Wii U exclusive game)

 

[random25]

Mario Kart 8 VS Splatoon comparison is almost over, but let's make a new one, to continue the fun

Mario Kart 8 VS Super Mario Maker

------------------------------------------------------------- 
|    |   Mario Kart 8    | Super Mario Maker |  Difference  | 
|    | [WIU] (2014/05/29)| [WIU] (2015/09/10)|              | 
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|--------------| 
|Week|  Weekly |   LTD   |  Weekly |   LTD   |  SMM - MK8   | 
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|--------------| 
|  1 |  325.892|  325.892|  138.242|  144.818|      -187.650|
|  2 |   73.051|  398.943|   54.544|  192.785|      -206.158|
|  3 |   42.261|  441.205|   52.396|  245.182|      -196.023| 
|  4 |   28.112|  469.316|   30.150|  275.332|      -193.984| 
|  5 |   23.520|  492.837|   24.533|  299.865|      -192.972|  
|  6 |   19.386|  512.223|   21.357|  321.222|      -191.001|  
|  7 |   15.143|  527.366|   15.817|  337.039|      -190.327|  
|  8 |   14.992|  542.358|   13.764|  350.803|      -191.555|  
|  9 |   18.129|  560.487|   15.364|  366.167|      -194.320| 
| 10 |   18.067|  578.554|   12.442|  378.609|      -199.945| 
| 11 |   20.860|  599.414|   13.184|  391.793|      -207.621| 
| 12 |   28.221|  627.635|   18.639|  410.432|      -217.203| 
| 13 |   12.075|  639.710|   32.155|  442.588|      -197.122| 
| 14 |   11.148|  650.858|   48.600|  491.188|      -159.670|
| 15 |    8.221|  659.079|   84.789|  575.977|       -83.102|
| 16 |    6.839|  665.918|   98.155|  674.132|         8.214|
| 17 |    6.396|  672.313|         |         |              |
| 18 |    5.936|  678.250|         |         |              |
| 19 |    4.517|  682.767|         |         |              |
| 20 |    3.996|  686.763|         |         |              |
| 21 |    3.625|  690.387|         |         |              |
| 22 |    2.821|  693.208|         |         |              |
| 23 |    3.170|  696.378|         |         |              |
| 24 |    3.210|  699.588|         |         |              |
| 25 |   13.544|  713.132|         |         |              |
| 26 |    8.752|  721.884|         |         |              |
| 27 |   12.742|  734.626|         |         |              |
| 28 |   19.244|  753.870|         |         |              |
| 29 |   24.938|  778.808|         |         |              |
| 30 |   34.331|  813.139|         |         |              |
| 31 |   38.637|  851.776|         |         |              |
| 32 |   28.403|  880.180|         |         |              |
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|--------------|
|Total        -|1.126.412|        -|  674.132|     -452.280|      
-------------------------------------------------------------

I would never have thought that SMM can get close to MK8 sales let alone beat it launch aligned. One of the biggest surprise hits of 2015 together with Splatoon.

 

[hiska-kun]

damn! these comparisons really put SMM in perspective. it's doing greatly in Japan (for being a Wii U exclusive game)

Mario Kart 8 Christmas boost wasn't that good. Well, the truth is that Wii U Christmas 2014 was a completely joke in Japan.

 

[Chris1964]

Media Create Sales: Week 52, 2015 (Dec 21 - Dec 27)

01./02. [3DS] Monster Hunter X # <ACT> (Capcom) {2015.11.28} (¥6.264) - 190.522 / 2.391.795 (+1%)
02./01. [3DS] Monster Strike <RPG> (Mixi) {2015.12.17} (¥4.860) - 169.961 / 607.864 (-61%)
03./04. [3DS] Yo-Kai Watch Busters: Red Cat Team / White Dog Squad <ACT> (Level 5) {2015.07.11} (¥4.968) - 120.303 / 2.074.894 (+17%)
04./06. [WIU] Super Mario Maker # <ACT> (Nintendo) {2015.09.10} (¥6.156) - 98.155 / 674.132 (+16%)
05./05. [WIU] Splatoon # <ACT> (Nintendo) {2015.05.28} (¥6.156) - 94.874 / 1.093.541 (+10%)
06./00. [PSV] Mobile Suit Gundam Extreme Vs-Force <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2015.12.23} (¥7.344) - 87.254 / NEW
07./11. [PSV] Minecraft: PlayStation Vita Edition <ADV> (Sony Computer Entertainment) {2015.03.19} (¥2.592) - 62.356 / 536.495 (+94%)
08./07. [3DS] Animal Crossing: Happy Home Designer # <ETC> (Nintendo) {2015.07.30} (¥4.320) - 52.171 / 1.276.688 (+6%)
09./08. [3DS] Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam <RPG> (Nintendo) {2015.12.03} (¥5.076) - 48.291 / 175.972 (+5%)
10./09. [3DS] Disney Magic World 2 # <ETC> (Bandai Namco Games) {2015.11.05} (¥6.145) - 44.275 / 236.205 (+12%)
11./10. [3DS] Rhythm Heaven: The Best+ <ACT> (Nintendo) {2015.06.11} (¥5.076) - 36.554 / 594.269 (+9%)
12./03. [PS4] Fallout 4 # <RPG> (Bethesda Softworks) {2015.12.17} (¥8.618) - 33.024 / 156.042 (-73%)
13./00. [3DS] Medarot 9: Kabuto Ver. / Kuwagata Ver. <RPG> (Rocket Company) {2015.12.24} (¥6.264) - 27.702 / NEW
14./00. [WIU] Shin Megami Tensei x Fire Emblem # <RPG> (Nintendo) {2015.12.26} (¥7.236) - 26.340 / NEW
15./16. [3DS] Sumikko Gurashi: Omise Hajimerundesu <ETC> (Nippon Columbia) {2015.11.19} (¥5.184) - 19.932 / 81.649 (+1%)
16./00. [PS3] TV Anime Idolm@ster: Cinderella Girls G4U! Pack Vol.7 <ETC> (Bandai Namco Games) {2015.12.23} (¥10.778) - 13.699 / NEW
17./19. [3DS] Animal Crossing: New Leaf # <ETC> (Nintendo) {2012.11.08} (¥4.800) - 13.440 / 4.102.043 (+23%)
18./29. [WIU] Mario Kart 8 # <RCE> (Nintendo) {2014.05.29} (¥6.156) - 12.434
19./21. [3DS] Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS <FTG> (Nintendo) {2014.09.13} (¥5.616) - 12.397
20./24. [3DS] Pro Baseball Famista Returns <SPT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2015.10.08} (¥6.145) - 12.188
21./20. [3DS] The Legend of Zelda: TriForce Heroes <ADV> (Nintendo) {2015.10.22} (¥5.076)
22./18. [3DS] Pokemon Super Mystery Dungeon <RPG> (Pokemon Co.) {2015.09.17} (¥5.076)
23./25. [3DS] Mario Kart 7 <RCE> (Nintendo) {2011.12.01} (¥4.800)
24./34. [PS4] Star Wars: Battlefront # <ACT> (Electronic Arts) {2015.11.19} (¥8.424)
25./26. [3DS] Super Run For Money Tousouchuu Atsumare! Saikyou no Tousou Monotachi # <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2015.07.09} (¥5.119)
26./37. [WIU] Super Smash Bros. for Wii U # <FTG> (Nintendo) {2014.12.06} (¥7.776)
27./42. [3DS] New Super Mario Bros. 2 # <ACT> (Nintendo) {2012.07.28} (¥4.800)
28./22. [3DS] Aikatsu! My No.1 Stage! # <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2015.11.26} (¥5.627)
29./32. [3DS] PriPara Mezase! Idol Grand Prix No.1! <ACT> (Takara Tomy) {2015.10.22} (¥5.832)
30./27. [3DS] Pokemon Rumble World <ACT> (Pokemon Co.) {2015.11.19} (¥3.996)
31./31. [WIU] Animal Crossing: amiibo Festival <TBL> (Nintendo) {2015.11.21} (¥6.480)
32./48. [WIU] Taiko no Tatsujin: Atsumete Tomodachi Daisakusen! # <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2015.11.26} (¥5.724)
33./46. [PS4] Minecraft: PlayStation 4 Edition <ADV> (Sony Computer Entertainment) {2015.12.03} (¥2.592)
34./44. [WIU] Yo-Kai Watch Dance: Just Dance Special Version # <ACT> (Level 5) {2015.12.05} (¥4.622)
35./36. [WIU] Super Mario 3D World <ACT> (Nintendo) {2013.11.21} (¥5.985)
36./39. [PS4] Call of Duty: Black Ops III # <ACT> (Sony Computer Entertainment) {2015.11.06} (¥8.532)
37./40. [3DS] Style Savvy 2: Fashion Forward <ETC> (Nintendo) {2015.04.16} (¥5.076)
38./41. [3DS] Super Mario 3D Land # <ACT> (Nintendo) {2011.11.03} (¥4.800)
39./28. [3DS] Dragon Ball Heroes: Ultimate Mission 2 <TBL> (Bandai Namco Games) {2014.08.07} (¥6.145)
40./00. [3DS] Pokemon Omega Ruby / Alpha Sapphire <RPG> (Pokemon Co.) {2014.11.21} (¥4.937)
41./00. [WIU] Mario Party 10 # <ETC> (Nintendo) {2015.03.12} (¥5.616)
42./12. [PSV] Miracle Girls Festival <ACT> (Sega) {2015.12.17} (¥7.549)
43./00. [3DS] Tomodachi Life # <ETC> (Nintendo) {2013.04.18} (¥4.800)
44./30. [PS4] Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Siege <ACT> (Ubisoft) {2015.12.10} (¥9.072)
45./47. [3DS] Downtown no Gaki no Tsukai Yaarahen de!! Zettai ni Tsukamatte Haikenai Gasu Kurobikari Land <ACT> (Alchemist) {2015.12.17} (¥5.184)
46./00. [3DS] Kirby Triple Deluxe <ACT> (Nintendo) {2014.01.11} (¥4.800)
47./15. [PSV] Exist Archive: The Other Side of the Sky <RPG> (Spike Chunsoft) {2015.12.17} (¥7.344)
48./00. [PS4] Grand Theft Auto V [1/1][New Price Edition] <ACT> (Take-Two Interactive Japan) {2015.10.08} (¥5.389)
49./00. [PS3] Winning Eleven 2016 <SPT> (Konami) {2015.10.01} (¥7.128)
50./00. [3DS] Picross 3D 2 <PZL> (Nintendo) {2015.10.01} (¥3.240)

Top 50

3DS - 28
WIU - 10
PS4 - 6
PSV - 4
PS3 - 2

SOFTWARE

+-------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+
|System | This Week  | Last Week  | Last Year  |     YTD    |  Last YTD  |
+-------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+
|  ALL  |  1.824.000 |  1.960.000 |  1.517.000 | 36.219.000 | 43.053.288 |
+-------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+

HARDWARE

+-------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+-------------+
|System | This Week  | Last Week  | Last Year  |     YTD    |  Last YTD  |     LTD     |
+-------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+-------------+
| 3DS # |    154.818 |    144.115 |    196.274 |  2.227.449 |  3.176.525 |  20.065.894 |
|  WIU  |     92.801 |     79.266 |     43.950 |    823.535 |    618.150 |   2.967.115 |
| PSV # |     74.330 |     53.123 |     43.495 |  1.004.990 |  1.168.570 |   4.528.917 |
|  PS4  |     53.023 |     46.749 |     33.150 |  1.264.983 |    970.667 |   2.235.650 |
|  PS3  |      3.994 |      2.769 |     12.578 |    214.882 |    459.317 |  10.383.873 |
|  XB1  |        490 |        512 |      1.162 |     19.859 |     43.267 |      63.126 |
+-------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+-------------+
|  ALL  |    379.456 |    326.534 |    330.737 |  5.555.698 |  6.544.036 |  40.244.575 |
+-------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+-------------+
| PSVTV |      1.167 |        834 |      1.090 |     34.569 |     73.969 |     184.782 |
|  PSV  |     73.163 |     52.289 |     42.405 |    970.421 |  1.094.601 |   4.344.135 |
|n-3DSLL|    107.374 |    103.246 |    105.947 |  1.529.280 |    867.058 |   2.396.338 |
| n-3DS |     29.252 |     25.964 |     49.503 |    441.641 |    369.306 |     810.947 |
| 3DSLL |      5.083 |      4.921 |     25.653 |    107.435 |  1.406.737 |   6.940.058 |
|  3DS  |     13.109 |      9.984 |     15.171 |    149.093 |    533.424 |   9.918.551 |
+-------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+-------------+

 

[ArchedThunder]

It's laughable considering the almost infinite possibilities the team has in terms of characters. I can see why Persona 4 Arena has a 13-14 characters roster - the choice is limited per se. Pokkén could already start with a sizeable roster. I don't know, maybe I'm spoiled because I played games like Tekken 6. Or perhaps I just read Wikipedia and Smash news, who knows!

Tekken 6 had a bunch of games' rosters to build off of, Pokken does not. Every character in Pokken must be built from the ground up and that takes time and money. If Pokken is successful it will eventually get to that 40-50 character range, it'll just take a handful of games like pretty much every fighter does.
You can't just throw characters into a fighting game, they have to be meticulously planed and balanced with the rest of the cast.

 

[Ryng_tolu]

Mario Kart 8 VS Splatoon comparison is almost over, but let's make a new one, to continue the fun

Mario Kart 8 VS Super Mario Maker

------------------------------------------------------------- 
|    |   Mario Kart 8    | Super Mario Maker |  Difference  | 
|    | [WIU] (2014/05/29)| [WIU] (2015/09/10)|              | 
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|--------------| 
|Week|  Weekly |   LTD   |  Weekly |   LTD   |  SMM - MK8   | 
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|--------------| 
|  1 |  325.892|  325.892|  138.242|  144.818|      -187.650|
|  2 |   73.051|  398.943|   54.544|  192.785|      -206.158|
|  3 |   42.261|  441.205|   52.396|  245.182|      -196.023| 
|  4 |   28.112|  469.316|   30.150|  275.332|      -193.984| 
|  5 |   23.520|  492.837|   24.533|  299.865|      -192.972|  
|  6 |   19.386|  512.223|   21.357|  321.222|      -191.001|  
|  7 |   15.143|  527.366|   15.817|  337.039|      -190.327|  
|  8 |   14.992|  542.358|   13.764|  350.803|      -191.555|  
|  9 |   18.129|  560.487|   15.364|  366.167|      -194.320| 
| 10 |   18.067|  578.554|   12.442|  378.609|      -199.945| 
| 11 |   20.860|  599.414|   13.184|  391.793|      -207.621| 
| 12 |   28.221|  627.635|   18.639|  410.432|      -217.203| 
| 13 |   12.075|  639.710|   32.155|  442.588|      -197.122| 
| 14 |   11.148|  650.858|   48.600|  491.188|      -159.670|
| 15 |    8.221|  659.079|   84.789|  575.977|       -83.102|
| 16 |    6.839|  665.918|   98.155|  674.132|         8.214|
| 17 |    6.396|  672.313|         |         |              |
| 18 |    5.936|  678.250|         |         |              |
| 19 |    4.517|  682.767|         |         |              |
| 20 |    3.996|  686.763|         |         |              |
| 21 |    3.625|  690.387|         |         |              |
| 22 |    2.821|  693.208|         |         |              |
| 23 |    3.170|  696.378|         |         |              |
| 24 |    3.210|  699.588|         |         |              |
| 25 |   13.544|  713.132|         |         |              |
| 26 |    8.752|  721.884|         |         |              |
| 27 |   12.742|  734.626|         |         |              |
| 28 |   19.244|  753.870|         |         |              |
| 29 |   24.938|  778.808|         |         |              |
| 30 |   34.331|  813.139|         |         |              |
| 31 |   38.637|  851.776|         |         |              |
| 32 |   28.403|  880.180|         |         |              |
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|--------------|
|Total        -|1.126.412|        -|  674.132|     -452.280|      
-------------------------------------------------------------

In others news, Mario Maker is so far the faster seller game on Wii U.

 

[Aostia]

In others news, Mario Maker is so far the faster seller game on Wii U.

o_0

I didn't realize that at all. could it be because of a closer release to the Xmas weeks?

Mario Kart 8 Christmas boost wasn't that good. Well, the truth is that Wii U Christmas 2014 was a completely joke in Japan.

Yep, I wonder why. I mean: it's not that MK or Smash didn't work well, they are/have been successfull games, and this year the bundles prices were even higher.
Could it be that both MK and Smash are/were available also/first on the 3DS, so fewer people were pushed to buy the (expensive) console/hw for those games, while Splatoon and SMM are exclusive to the hardware (and justify/show also a good use of the console functionality, between gamepad and online)?

 

[Ryng_tolu]

o_0

I didn't realize that at all. could it be because of a closer release to the Xmas weeks?

Yup, of course. Indeed, is not a surprised that Mario Maker has surpassed Splatoon and Mario Kart 8 during christmas.

Btw, i can see Mario Maker outsell Mario Kart 8 lifetime in Japan.

Mario Kart 8 has sold over 1.10 million at retail a long time ago ( 1.20 million now?), including digital 1.30m maybe? It will sell others copies, but i think 1.50m at max, probabily 1.40m.

Mario Maker should sell very similar.

 

[hiska-kun]

Media Create

We need 4gamer for the totals for Mario Kart 8, Smash for 3DS and Famista Returns.

 

[allan-bh]

Week 53 will include sales for kids with New Year's money?

 

[noshten]

Week 53 will include sales for kids with New Year's money?

This week's predictions, while in bold last weeks numbers:

YSO predictions

Week 53, 2015 (Dec 28 - Jan 3)

01. [3DS] Monster Hunter X < 155k (average 130k) 190.522
02. [3DS] Monster Strike < 130k (average 110k) 169.961
03. [3DS] Yo-Kai Watch Busters < 100k (average 85k)120.303

So based on the predicted drop off at least for the top sellers this week could see 20-30% drop - provided YSO prediction are correct. With the retailer numbers I expect Splatoon/SMM to see a smaller decline. Splatoon no longer having enough bundles assures high sw sales while SMM bundle will make up the majority of Wii U hardware.

 

[Oregano]

For Super Mario Maker, the most logical step in the short term is indeed a handheld version, hopefully compatible with most existing levels (though I'd expect those with an insane amount of enemies to not compatible... which wouldn't be much of loss given how most of them "enemies bullet hell" levels are usually pretty crappy).

They could have each 4DS come with Super Mario Maker lite, some sort of "premium" demo with a limited number of elements (think vanilla SMM), and limited sharing abilities. Full version available at retail or eShop.

On the "long term" an updated version each gen with all the elements of the latest 2D Mario games is a possible way to go.

Another franchise getting the Maker treatment is definitely possible, but I don't think there's any other franchise with the wide appeal which allowed SMM to be popular in the first place.

If I'm not mistaken it wouldn't be impossible for a new portable to have a better CPU than the Wii U, especially with the big jump from 3DS to N3DS and Miyamoto emphasising the need for a stronger CPU.

A stronger CPU would be a big benefit for cross development with a console too.

 

[Vena]

If I'm not mistaken it wouldn't be impossible for a new portable to have a better CPU than the Wii U, especially with the big jump from 3DS to N3DS and Miyamoto emphasising the need for a stronger CPU.

A stronger CPU would be a big benefit for cross development with a console too.

The WiiU's CPU is such a crippling limiter on an old production node (on top of the WiiU's limited RAM and bandwidth) that outspeccing it isn't the hard part for a handheld, even with low TDP considerations (consider the already low TDP on the WiiU). It'd just be a question of heat dispersal but the recent fanless M3s from Intel give you a good idea of what you can put inside a mobile platform while powering something the size of a Surface Pro 4 at an enormous resolution of 2,736 x 1,824p. Scaling down with an A52/A57 or A72 to a handheld running at 540/720p and playing par with the WiiU (resolution relative performance, of course) won't be hard. It just may be costly depending on what Nintendo intends to do with the NX.

The NX is going to be a WiiU duct taped to a Vita.

damn! these comparisons really put SMM in perspective. it's doing greatly in Japan (for being a Wii U exclusive game)

What does that mean? Some* WiiU exclusive games are and seemingly will continue to dominate the console space in Japan for, potentially, the entire generation. These games are selling (very) well for the modern Japanese console space irregardless of platform or platforms.

Heck, they are selling well globally.

 

[Chris1964]

PSX may have had an unofficial price drop in June (to coincide with Saturn's), which wasn't made officlal until 7/21. I have data that shows a huge boost in sales the week of 6/5 [could be off a week] that lasted until the end of summer.

This data comes from a graph posted on an import site from the late-90s, I cant find that site anymore (anyone remember?). I had to pixel count the graph to repiicate it myself.

I never trust random graphs or numbers without cofirming the source. If there was an unofficial price drop so many weeks before the official it's not showed at famitsu hw and unfortunately weekly top 30 for this period from famitsu are missing.

 

[DarkLordMalik]

In other news, Vita has passed 1 million YTD on Media Create.

 

[Ryng_tolu]

Vita sales this year were very great.

I expected ~900,000 or so, didn't expcted that good holidays sales.

 

[Chris1964]

According to GamesMaya amazing sales for Splatoon and Super Mario Maker during New Year's Sales.

Splatoon (and Mario Maker lesser) continue to play the game of how long they'll keep supporting alone Wii U.

First weeks of 2016 will tell.

 

[Pennywise83]

Splatoon (and Mario Maker lesser) continue to play the game of how long they'll keep supporting alone Wii U.

First weeks of 2016 will tell.

Yep; as I've said a few weeks ago, the test will be during early 2016. Splatoon seems to have become so popular that might sustain Wii U hw sales at least until early February.

 

[Aostia]

Vita sales this year were very great.

I expected ~900,000 or so, didn't expcted that good holidays sales.

It indeed hold better than expected.

 

[Ryng_tolu]

Wii U sales first week of the year ( second to be fair, but since this was a 53 weeks month, this is the right comparation)

2013 - 20,715
2014 - 14,020
2015 - 10,803
2016 - ?

What we can expect from 2016?

I say 18,000.

 

[Vena]

Wii U sales first week of the year ( second to be fair, but since this was a 53 weeks month, this is the right comparation)

2013 - 20,715
2014 - 14,020
2015 - 10,803

What we can expect from 2015?

I say 18,000.

Are we comparing week 53 to Week 1 or Week 1 to Week 1? I am a bit confused. If the former, double your number.

 

[LiveFromKyoto]

Mario Maker has had consistent TV ads and large displays in every department store in the country for months. Nintendo really threw their weight behind the game to make it happen for the holidays.

 

[Ryng_tolu]

Are we comparing week 53 to Week 1 or Week 1 to Week 1? I am a bit confused. If the former, double your number.

It's Week 1 VS Week 2 VS Week 2 VS Week 2

That's because, like i said, this was a 53 weeks month.

 

[vinnygambini]

Analysts believe, and rightfully so, that Nintendo's Full Year guidance will be lower than anticipated from management citing lower revenue potential from mobile only fully kicking in in 2018.

Bloomberg report http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-06/nintendo-drops-in-tokyo-after-smbc-nikko-cuts-recommendation

Nintendo's stock is almost where its at prior to the Dena announcement, quite a fall.

 

[duckroll]

Analysts believe, and rightfully so, that Nintendo's Full Year results will be lower than anticipated from management.

Bloomberg report http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-06/nintendo-drops-in-tokyo-after-smbc-nikko-cuts-recommendation

Nintendo's stock is almost where its at prior to the Dena announcement, quite a fall.

Seems expected for what is a transition year, both due to unforeseen circumstances as well as the natural end-of-hardware-cycle period. 2016 will give us a very clear idea of whether Nintendo will be going upwards or further downwards in the future depending on the success of their DeNA partnership this year as well as the hardware announcements they will be making.

 

[Vena]

Analysts believe, and rightfully so, that Nintendo's Full Year guidance will be lower than anticipated from management citing lower revenue potenting from mobile only fully kicking in in 2018.

Bloomberg report http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-06/nintendo-drops-in-tokyo-after-smbc-nikko-cuts-recommendation

Nintendo's stock is almost where its at prior to the Dena announcement, quite a fall.

Still got a ways to go till that point.

 

[vinnygambini]

Seems expected for what is a transition year, both due to unforeseen circumstances as well as the natural end-of-hardware-cycle period. 2016 will give us a very clear idea of whether Nintendo will be going upwards or further downwards in the future depending on the success of their DeNA partnership this year as well as the hardware announcements they will be making.

Yup it does but like the report mentioned, I don't think one will see the mobile venture be fruitful until later on - NX and their Universal partnership are what interest me much more and a lot is riding on both announcements/clarifications.

 

[Vena]

Yup it does but like the report mentioned, I don't think one will see the mobile venture be fruitful until later on - NX and their Universal partnership are what interest me much more and a lot is riding on both announcements/clarifications.

The strong successes of this year, especially the outright perfect marketing, make me more hopeful than not.

Their marketing (and just topical game design) has been on point in across the globe with those said key games.

 

[KillerMan91]

The strong successes of this year, especially the outright perfect marketing, make me more hopeful than not.

Their marketing (and just topical game design) has been on point in across the globe with those said key games.

Aside from Splatoon what strong successes Nintendo has had worldwide this year? Going by November NPD thread at least in US they are going to have one of their worst holiday seasons since forever in terms of hw and sw sold.

 

[ZSaberLink]

Aside from Splatoon what strong successes Nintendo has had worldwide this year? Going by November NPD thread at least in US they are going to have one of their worst holiday seasons since forever in terms of hw and sw sold.

Majora's Mask 3D, Splatoon, and Mario Maker are probably the main 3. Capcom had MH4U ride the new 3DS launch to do very well in the US.

 

[Sandfox]

Majora's Mask 3D, Splatoon, and Mario Maker are probably the main 3. Capcom had MH4U ride the new 3DS launch to do very well in the US.

HHD sold 2 million wordwide as of October as well.

 

[Vena]

Aside from Splatoon what strong successes Nintendo has had worldwide this year? Going by November NPD thread at least in US they are going to have one of their worst holiday seasons since forever in terms of hw and sw sold.

There's plenty of examples but the sparsity of the year hitting November's performance and the weak year-end results is more emblematic of the fact that we're in the middle of a transition cycle with two platforms winding down, and one already nearly irrelevant.

What I was referring to was the marketing surrounding Splatoon, SMM, and the on-going excellent digital successes of their Smash DLC (the latter marketed in a different but very effective way, mind). The launch of the N3DS in the States went over very strongly with MH4U and MM3DS doing very well. All of these were handled with excellent marketing, Splatoon and SMM especially so (in general, I'd say Nintendo's ability to market has greatly improved over the last few years). The fact that the rest of the year died in terms of releases was, as I said, a different problem.

HHD wasn't so much marketed as it was simply a decent-to-good animal crossing game.

So don't conflate two different things. Look to what they actually released and put their might behind. Splatoon and SMM have, I would say, considerably better and more poignant (and successful) marketing behind them than Smash or MK8 from last year. I honestly don't think Nintendo of two years ago would have known what to do with Splatoon.

 

[Mory Dunz]

Aside from Splatoon what strong successes Nintendo has had worldwide this year? Going by November NPD thread at least in US they are going to have one of their worst holiday seasons since forever in terms of hw and sw sold.

There's DLC stuff for Smash and Kart.

Don't think we ever got numbers on how much the DLC has made, but I wouldn't be surprised if DLC from those two games made more than some recent titles ha.

 

[Scum]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. All hail our Nintendo Garage Overlords! Here's to Spla2oon!

 

[Ōkami]

Famitsu just uploaded a little recap for 2015 on their site, as 2015 is already over for them.

Pretty sure I'm reading this part wrong, ha ha, but it says that total revenue by dedicated gaming devices was of 32.097b Yen (over $270m), it says 3209.7&#20740;&#20870;, the &#20740; stands for a hundred million, but I'm not sure how to use it, so it could also be 320.97b Yen (over $2.7b dollars) pick which ever is more realistic.

Apart from that some comparisons to 2014, in terms or revenue.

For 2014 this is between 30/12/2013 and 28/12/2014 and for 2015 is between 29/12/2014 and 27/12/2015, 52 weeks for both. Numbers are in millions of yen.

In 2014 total revenue was of 3685.5, from which 1421.5 was hardware and 2264 was software.
In 2015 total revenue was of 3209.7, from which 1300.5 was hardware and 1909.1 was software.

So as a whole results from 2014 are down 8.5%, 15.7% and 12.9% for hardware, software and all respectively.

Also full year results for hardware.
Nintendo 3DS: 2.189.900 (LTD: 20.036.956)
PlayStation Vita: 959.342 (LTD: 4.382.417)
Wii U: 820.304 (LTD: 2.943.587)
PlayStation 4: 1.205.163 (LTD: 2.130.733)
PlayStation 3: 188.207 (LTD: 10.206.741)
Xbox One: 18.093 (LTD: 64.051)

Needless tosay, for 3DS and PSV that's combining all SKUs.

Finally, Top 10 Software.

1. [3DS] Monster Hunter X: 2.441.977
2. [3DS] Yokai Watch Busters: White Dog Squad / Red Cat Team: 1.965.202
3. [3DS] Animal Crossing: Happy Home Designer: 1.282.880
4. [WIU] Splatoon: 1.064.897
5. [3DS] Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King: 864.865
6. [WIU] Super Mario Maker: 674.194
7. [3DS] Monster Strike: 636.709
8. [3DS] Yokai Watch 2: Shinuchi: 625.223
9. [3DS] Rhythm Heaven: The Best+: 607.343
10. [3DS] Fire Emblem Fates: Birthright / Conquest: 538.669

 

[Ryng_tolu]

Aside from Splatoon what strong successes Nintendo has had worldwide this year? Going by November NPD thread at least in US they are going to have one of their worst holiday seasons since forever in terms of hw and sw sold.

Yup, that's sadly true. Not only, if we talk about hardware, this is the worse November in USA since... ALWAYS.

Those are the November sales from all Nintendo System combined in USA. ( Including GBA, GC, DS, Wii, 3DS, WIU, i don't have numbers for N64 or before that)

2001 - 1.592.000
2002 - 1.751.000
2003 - 2.077.000
2004 - 1.467.000
2005 - 1.571.000
2006 - 2.035.000
2007 - 2.511.000
2008 - 3.610.000
2009 - 2.960.000
2010 - 2.770.000
2011 - 2.005.000
2012 - 1.760.000
2013 - 1.058.000
2014 - 780.000
2015 - 590.000

Seriusly, the Wii alone in 2008 has sold over 2 million in November. This year, the combined sales of 3DS and Wii U are < 600k...

2015 was a important year for Nintendo, with some nice surprise (Splatoon/Mario Maker succes in primis), and some brutal news...

Let's hope for a better 2016.

 

[Mory Dunz]

Yup, that's sadly true. Not only, if we talk about hardware, this is the worse November in USA since... Always. yup.

Those are the November sales from all Nintendo System combined in USA.

2014 - 780.000
2015 - 590.000

absolutely disgusting

 

[Shikamaru Ninja]

Not only are Splatoon and Super Mario Maker exciting and innovative titles that have charmed the Nintendo pajamas off everyone, but they are also the benefactors of that genius DLC support Nintendo first discovered with Mario Kart 8.

But those are looking like the top three selling Wii U first-party titles of this generation I guess. Splatoon. Super Mario Maker. Mario Kart 8. Sadly, I don't see any other future title coming close to the million club.

Also Rhythm Tengoku still going strong!

 

[Jon Carter]

HHD wasn't so much marketed as it was simply a decent-to-good animal crossing game.

Honestly I can't find any depth whatsoever in that game. My wife put hundreds of hours into New Leaf but she played HHD once for like two hours but got bored and said the game is incredibly simple. You get a theme and then items for that theme but you can't lose in that game no matter what you do and it's always the same thing over and over.

Thank God for Splatoon and Mario Maker because, recently, it feels almost like Nintendo at its worst, its most cynical. Their decisions make very little sense. The 3DS is lucky to have such strong third-party support in Japan because I fear the NX is going to tank in the West after how disastrous Nintendo's handling of the second half of its life has been. I really hope they have an ace in their sleeve for 2016. Japan should be fine but it'd be nice to not see another decline. I enjoyed the 3DS' beast mode days.

 

[Nirolak]

Yup, that's sadly true. Not only, if we talk about hardware, this is the worse November in USA since... ALWAYS.

Those are the November sales from all Nintendo System combined in USA. ( Including GBA, GC, DS, Wii, 3DS, WIU, i don't have numbers for N64 or before that)

2001 - 1.592.000
2002 - 1.751.000
2003 - 2.077.000
2004 - 1.467.000
2005 - 1.571.000
2006 - 2.035.000
2007 - 2.511.000
2008 - 3.610.000
2009 - 2.960.000
2010 - 2.770.000
2011 - 2.005.000
2012 - 1.760.000
2013 - 1.058.000
2014 - 780.000
2015 - 590.000

Seriusly, the Wii alone in 2008 has sold over 2 million in November. This year, the combined sales of 3DS and Wii U are < 600k...

2015 was a important year for Nintendo, with some nice surprise (Splatoon/Mario Maker succes in primis), and some brutal news...

Let's hope for a better 2016.

This is a pretty good example of what I was talking about a few years back.

In an ideal world, Nintendo wanted to have their new handheld out by 2015 because of Western decay. Mind, I don't think they actually had a super feasible path to doing so given how their software was stacked internally, but they're in overtime at this point and experiencing continued painful brand erosion.

 

[hiska-kun]

According to the usual blog, there're still a good amount of copies of Monster Strike unsold.

#FE is not moving.