BlackBuzzard
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I have such a hard time believing that Nintendo put serious effort into getting third party on WiiU.
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Wii U has sold 3 million in Japan
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I have such a hard time believing that Nintendo put serious effort into getting third party on WiiU.
CaviarMeths
Member
Which month was this?
Weeks 49-53 (December):
Wii U ~306k
PS4 ~239k
Do you have one of your nifty graphs for launch aligned? PS4 has to be quite a bit ahead of Wii U by now, I'm assuming.
Is trying their best releasing a under powered console with a slapped on tablet gimmick just as developers and publisher are gearing up for the next gen? That's not trying their best, that's Nintendo continuing to live in their bubble.
Yeah, nobody is really talking about that, they've sold very similar numbers in a similar time period.
Japan has an aging population , the demographic that would buy a console or play one is smallest it has been in 80 years
I am interested that the PS3 have less sales than PS4, it still have a better base than the latter. That would explain why many japanese games are getting released in both platforms.
Still, regarding the Wii U the numbers are not so great. I don't know that NX will be, but if it want to play in Japan it will have to appeal the handheld market... some way.
Still, regarding the Wii U the numbers are not so great. I don't know that NX will be, but if it want to play in Japan it will have to appeal the handheld market... some way.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Wow.. lol
CaviarMeths
Member
Well, it's been on the market since 2006, I would hope it has a larger base than PS4.
wow, way to go, i havent seen such a stupid comparision in a long time...
Sumio Mondo
Member
Considering how much Japanese home consoles have cratered in their home country, over the past half decade, that isn't so bad, actually.
The market in JP has reduced drastically from last gen, especially consoles. Given that, Wii U could have done much worse. The fact it could match GC numbers is quite impressive given the market and lack of support.
Gunmonkey36
Member
Honestly this is the reason the NX is happening the way it is. Console gaming is dying in Japan. Everyone needs/wants portable devices because of the Japanese lifestyle. NX having a focus of being both handheld and console device is derived from the Japanese market. It's nintendo's response to this generation's Japanese gaming trends. More mobile first/friendly development for the market they care about most.
It's an average. Which I fucked up by the way, it's ~84k vs ~100k
deltatheta
Member
Hmm, well relative to the competition it's not a bomb, it's just that the entire market tanked.
It'll be really interesting to see if their NX strategy will be appealing in Japan. The 3DS did okay but I'm guessing the dedicated portable market in Japan will be going away next. Having a multiple-form factor ecosystem makes a handheld slightly more appealing, but will it be enough?
Japan only gave half a shit about 360 because of how hard they went for it. Now the Xbox One is basically OG Xbox but less of care.
NOLA_Gaffer
Banned
The Wii U isn't selling well. The PS4 is selling well.
There, I just saved you three pages of reading posts.
There, I just saved you three pages of reading posts.
Maybe that would have been important 10 years ago when the Japanese market was way more influential on what games arrived on a console. However it's the worldwide numbers that really matter for consoles now, if western devs can't get on board, a home console cant survive.
Arkam
Member
To be fair, the major JRPG and Japanese game rush hasn't actually started yet. This year will be the ultimate test.
Launch aligned, the PS4 has sold 2.3 million in 98 weeks, whereas the Wii U took 126 weeks.
There has hardly been any major JP 3rd party game released over the past 2 years.
2016 3rd party JP line-up looks beastly though: DS3, FF15, P5, DQ11 and etc.
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LOL WHAT?
It sold better than the ps4 and well of course the xbone.
It surprises me to see so many not knowing that consoles are dead in Japan.
This thread is about the JP market, not worldwide. The market has declined there, yes, and that is what we are discussing.
Majmun
Member
Yeah, the Wii U fares off way better when counting global sales.
Acerac
Banned
Yeesh, what domination.
From what some one posted below you PS4 is about 2.3 already and it's been on sale a lot less.
So... I'm going to guess PS4 will probably sell more than the Wii U in the same time frame.
Vigilant Walrus
Member
The problem is, if it's a handheld controller with a screen, that you can dock or connect to a wireless hub and use it as a home console, it will be a compromise between power and mobility.
Either it won't have enough battery life or its graphics and power will be compromised significantly?
Nintendo doesn't have the hardware expertise of Sony or the software expertise of Microsoft, it has the Marketing chops of neither or many other organizational horses that it can ride on besides gaming.
This puts Nintendo at a disadvantage.
When I look at Microsoft Surface, on gaming laptops, I think it's a clear that it becomes a very hard balance when you're trying to make something that both wants to be powerful and small. High capacity batteries are expensive and heavy, and many of the best smartphone and tablets makers screw this up yearly.
And then there is the low price that Nintendo products need to be priced at to make them family friendly.
IMO the Wii U controller is amazing. It's the coolest idea ever, channeling the spirit of the dreamcast. But the product could easily have been way more powerful, had a much bigger battery, a much faster Flash storage based interface, a good cloud storage solution, and a totally revamped online model that doesn't kill the potential of online (social, friends, e-sport, spectator, events, creation, sharing, browsing, organizing).
In my opinion Nintendo hasn't really been itself since Nintendo 64. The games they released at that time where both technologically sound and advanced and amazing games in their own right. With Gamecube, Wii and Wii U they threw in the towel and said graphics don't matter.
But there is a lot more to powerful hardware than just graphics. Size, scope, feature sets, presentation.
That is why, in my own selfish interest that I wish Nintendo would go third-party. A Zelda on PS4 and XBox One could do justice to what OOT disrupted in the gaming industry in 1998. Smash Bros on steam could make the franchise reach completely different heights.
I'll miss Nintendo hardware and their ecosystem, but between that and the market dying in Japan, I just think it's crazy. I always cared more for their classic home console games rather than their mobile games.
Nobody makes games like Nintendo, but many can outdo Nintendo in hardware. Not because they don't have good ideas or can't execute on innovation. It's because of volume and moving inventory. They don't have a chance against Sony/Nintendo.
Wii U has been out years compared to PS4 in Japan though, and Japan had a staggered launch, launching many months afterward.
Considering how close they are right now, there's quite an accomplishment.
The console market has significantly contracted in Japan, that's a fact. But we'll see how the bigger Japanese oriented games do and then make conclusions about whether or not they sell for that market on the limited userbase
So Wii U s getting replacement later this year and has only just passed 3 million in JP. Not great and I have to assume focus will switch to NX so I doubt Wii U will have a tail on sales of any note.
PS4 apparently trending a bit better but hardly anything to write him about either.
Still, they have a popular new IP in as platoon that I presume they'll bring to NX. Very curious to see what the hell NX is and he it supports both mobile and home.
Bit off topic but that LTD chart: man I knew XB1 was doing real bad in Japan but less than probably a months sales in one of the more sizeable Western markets? Yikes!
PS4 apparently trending a bit better but hardly anything to write him about either.
Still, they have a popular new IP in as platoon that I presume they'll bring to NX. Very curious to see what the hell NX is and he it supports both mobile and home.
Bit off topic but that LTD chart: man I knew XB1 was doing real bad in Japan but less than probably a months sales in one of the more sizeable Western markets? Yikes!
No they didn't. They tried another archaic approach with outdated hardware yet again. The controller? Whatever, that's not the barrier. Even Nintendo ignores it half the time. But putting out another system that would lie on the outskirts of third party development pipelines within a year was a stupid decision.
That graph is likely going to look very different at the end of this year.
PdotMichael
Banned
Releasing an outdated console and expecting third parties to port their engines and middleware tools at the end of their lifetime was pretty dumb and not "their best".
PS4 IS A BEAST
I would hope it would sell better than ps4 seeing as it's been out of the market longer than the ps4. This is not about Sony or MS, it's about Nintendo and how they can get the core gamers back into console.
So you agree?
Acerac
Banned
Has the PS4 been selling well in Japan?
No they didn't. But third parties have long memories of how Nintendo has always been, so it makes sense to not support Nintendo or trust them.
Nintendo cares about themselves and their own first parties more than they ever care about third parties, and that goes for every gen. So it gives them good first party support, but then they get no third parties, this is not a new story
PdotMichael
Banned
Main reason why Sony helps Japanese developers to get into the international market.
It is consistently above 20k every week, and recently has grown to 30-40k a week, and in the holiday's went up to 70k every week.
If one has been paying attention to the Japanese sales in the past few years, this is actually a pretty significant uptick.
lyrick
Member
WTF are you on about?
TheXfactor
Member
why do i feel like i keep hearing this every year for the past 3 years?
Acerac
Banned
Didn't realize it had been trending up, I've not been watching Media Create threads recently.
Thanks for the tip.
He's talking about Splatoon, not the PS4. As for bolded, that was all the holiday.